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Can i suggest an new fact to substitute the covid subject in your thought experiment? try elon interference in us election and brazil politics , war , space, communication... the web of ... ;^) evil and nihilistic tendency's... a real conspiracy, very fantastic . I do think its interesting in many parts. this lecture. Stiegler would have lots to say on AI and climate colapse nowadays. Would like to meet you peter. Maybe i can contribute to your thinking.

only the covid conspiracy makes this in parts disturbing

Rather than returning to oppositional binaries, is it not more than enough to study the sociopathic effects of exponentially systemic multipolar incentivized zero sum gaming (manifest since August 6th 1945...). A dualistic nostalgia for Grande Inquisitorial marches against "Evil" only masks its inherent structural and stultified "banality " ? Stiegler kept the necessary monist rigor and humility in my opinion. Yuk Hui furthers his work in Art and Cosmotechnics. Yasha Levine's book Surveillance Valley on the genealogy of cold war technosocial development goes a long way towards explaining the tools we carry in our pockets.... Also highly recommend Alenka Zupančič book on Disavowal. And beware... "Corruption of the best is the worst " Ivan Illich

So wearing masks in public, temporally bounded restrictions on movement, and vaccination programs, constitue the true face of evil, whereas the systematic live streamed ethnocide of a civilian population is merely an 'escalting conflict' between two parties?? The real mask is this weak minded conspiratorial 'logic' which sustains the illusion that there's some order or authority behind appearance, when in fact there's nothing beneath it.

To claim that Covid-19 was from beginning hardly more lethal than a regular flu virus was quite an irresponsible statement to make when you provide no sources and Covid-19 still having a higher mortality rate than the flu each season, at least in the US. This was by far one of the worst lectures so far. The stupidity here is to think that the very mild public health measures in most Western countries to limit the spread of the virus are somehow "excessive." If the author truly felt Covid-19 was over-hyped, then why the author ignores China or other countries that took much stronger measures to control the virus? Kacem's argument and this author's argument fall apart the moment you think outside of the West, particularly Europe. Also, it's interesting how the moment there's a disruption to the flow of capital you have people speaking out against public health and collective action, screaming "totalitarianism." This entire paper is not provocative so much as it is a defense of the very oligarchies it purports to challenge. Lastly, the author clearly attempts to downplay Stiegler's well known leftist politics, but why? hmmm

Interesting talk. Only long part about Trentowski seems to be out of place.

Let me save you an hour of your time, there's nothing about cybernetics in the video. This guy is highly deluded if he thinks that we're at the epoch of understanding ourselves and the epoch of prosperity, he's the personification of the corporate led state. Also he will call life an anomalous phenomenon because he's blinded by the scientific dogma. He will use a made up word "Homo Cyberneticus" just to invoke some kind of feeling in the audience, humans have been leveraging feedback and control since they came to be. Furthermore, how can you claim that this sort of mentality is for the benefit of humans and animals and the ecology as a whole, when the planet has always been doing well, and it's only through human's insatiable desire for more control and consumption that the ecosystem has degraded? He sees humans as something separated from the environment, he sees the rational human as something distinct from the feeling human. He claims that pandemics have killed more people than people have killed people. He claims that the US response to covid was it let everyone do whatever they want, they didn't impose vaccines or masks or social distancing or the like, and that's why the US had triple the fatalities??

Identity politics will evolve to artificial species. Negative feedback systems. Unregulated human purposful behavior?? Another anti-human 3000 step pseudo-philosophy coming out of academia.

Incomprehensible mumbo jumbo, because what can we do with it which would help us out of social entropy?

Wonderful presentation by clearly one brilliant philosopher! I am working on a systems proposal titled "World View Economics, Cybernetic integration of Technological and Natural Systems". This lecture has inspired me to dig deeper and I have unveiled a whole new outlook on systems theory. I am utilizing a Panpsychist viewpoint to analyze economic systems and social disparity and through this propose a novel method on food and energy production. I would love any help you can provide and would be an apt pupil :) Blessing from Dane Dube!

the term hyperbolic symbolizes the strained uber-human presupposition of A.I., for me, and the term boring symbolizes the boring lock-step presupposition of the same. within any person's mental world is what is like a delicate ecosystem and busy-ness, the biological being is a community of cells, which are not really beings themselves, but could have been "if only the entire history were slightly different, and, multicellular beings were less singular." They are sublimated to the whole which is called body. And A.I. is simply more cells, in the body of human existence, so, it is already a relationship and transactive, with one problem, which is, the A.I. does not yet exist, but is imagined, and, believed to be on its way as a further maturation of human expression. Just my thoughts, don't take me too seriously, I'm serious enough by myself lol

🎯 Key points for quick navigation: 00:07 *📚 Chen Qiufan, a science fiction writer, introduces his topic "Reimagine Cyberpunk: The Chinese Perspective" at a conference.* 00:44 *🌏 William Gibson's "Neuromancer" was translated into Chinese, with multiple editions published over the years.* 01:51 *💡 Gibson admits China's future was beyond his imagination when writing "Neuromancer".* 02:30 *🖥️ Cyberpunk is defined as "high tech, low life", focusing on underdogs in dystopian societies driven by advanced technology.* 03:33 *🇨🇳 Chinese cyberpunk emerged in the mid-1990s with works like "In the Web" and "The Mosh Pit".* 05:29 *🎭 Early Chinese cyberpunk lacked the genuine punk spirit due to cultural differences and historical context.* 07:25 *🚫 Censorship and self-censorship often blur the punk spirit in Chinese sci-fi and cyberpunk narratives.* 08:47 *🎬 Western cyberpunk often uses Eastern imagery, as seen in films like "Blade Runner" and "Ghost in the Shell".* 11:55 *🔬 Advancements in various technologies expanded cyberpunk narratives, integrating themes of human enhancement.* 15:03 *🏙️ China has transformed dramatically, with its cities now rivaling Tokyo or Manhattan in technological advancement.* 17:55 *🔮 Gibson's quote "The future is already here - it's just not evenly distributed" reflects the current cyberpunk reality.* 21:51 *🧠 Second-order cybernetics emerged, focusing on the observer's role in shaping the observed system.* 24:38 *🧬 Synthetic biology brings a new dimension to cybernetics by manipulating living systems.* 27:44 *🤖 The future of cybernetics will involve synthesizing insights from various disciplines and addressing ethical implications.* 31:51 *🌍 The term "Asian-influenced" in speculative fiction often implies a second-class status and perpetuates orientalism.* 35:39 *🎋 "Silkpunk" reimagines speculative fiction by integrating Eastern philosophies and aesthetics.* 39:44 *🌈 Reimagined cyberpunk could feature diverse protagonists working towards harmony, sustainability, and compassion.* 41:34 *🌱 The speaker envisions a holistic, eco-centric approach to cyberpunk that inspires a technologically advanced and ecologically enlightened future.* Made with HARPA AI

Brilliant fresh take! Well worth listening to from beginning to end.

Hatin on the chokes man. Food is food. If it grows like a weed and has prebiotics and lots of other health benefits beyter than taters what gives?

This talk can be of interest to the historian of cybernetics.

Hutchings in "Global Ethics: An Introduction" described the arguments of Habermas as Rationalist because of the answer to the "why" question. Described therein, Habermas associates those that make metaphysical assumptions with monological assumptions. The video of which this comment is a reply suggests a creative situation of why the monological assumptions are made in professional circles.

Outstanding. Who are you?

Sound is sometimes missing can you fix it? Thanks!

Never noticed how similar the wifi alliance logo was to the yin yang! Thanks for sharing such thought provoking reseach :)

Wow.

Just because this talk in itself doesn’t iterate on the countless present and future risks of tecunology doesn’t mean the author of the talk and the authors of the cited references deny them. It’s a very complex neverending topic and we’re figuring it all out together. Thank you so much for this talk! I’ve also enjoyed the Gaian Systems book from Prof. Bruce Clarke.

Thanks for this!

Such a great and interesting talk!

Great job well articulated. It reminds me of how Newtons more mri machine line of thought all but computational brings about mechanics and now we take mechanics use it in bringing about computation. We find that our astronomy copys a similar experience where we map physical form & shape if we stay in that measure it runs into 3 degrees of separation or yoo hoo woo hoo hieseberg uncertainty..or repeat the Babylonians finding dark matter spirits in the sky lol we can suspect it's how several Eastern traditions come about. We effortlessly plagiarize & correlate & project Human qaulitys are all over, and many have a hard time seeing reality any other way, but it's great to see the evidence beginning to close some gaps where we talk past one another .bringing in ways to accurate things that just had no means of expressing in the past. Being that my uk separatist pilgrim puritan classical American christian heritage has a building inventor fundamentalistic eccentric side that's been so predictably good at foresight even in its opposition to grand unified theory it's lead to many discoverys even where Darwin was so opposed to it . I do think most are getting closer to understanding why we should be cautious about anthromorphized astronomy and geology and mechanized biology while trying to build human agency into computation . The Amish was over reactionary but when x,y,z man made time hierarchy knowledge of Good and evil equations are so utilized in how we model what we deem to be symmetric , orderly,beauty vs ugly ,chaotic etc etc we need to be careful. In between Inderect lines of detection of matter on the smallest scales vs more direct lines measured brings some promising searches for maybe things we confuse with life. Reducing & eliminating noise would really help us in the long run .

Excellent talk!

Why are there Chinese letters in the background? This is propaganda obviously. Probably funded by the CCP.

These people must think they're god like

This sounds like those guys who troll peer reviewed college journals by stringing a bunch of obscure $5 words together, and fooling the so called intellectuals into publishing their gobbledygook.

What?

You need to find a better hobby bruh.

Thing is, gaia is a dying planet, and she knows it. We were told that the planet will die in 5 billions years due to the sun going red giant, that is entirely obsolete knowledge now. We have a far future timeline that is way more precise, and we realized that the earth is already past 90% of its life. It does not have billions of years, in fact, it does not have more than a couple hundreds millions years. Geologically, that is just the bat of an eye. It'll be a baren rock way before the sun starts expanding. What first generation gaiaist failed to recognize is that if everything is self-regulated, then, the technosphere itself IS an emanation of gaia. If you really believe in the gaia theory, then you have to understand that the carbon pulse was a mean to an end for gaia. We've been just burrowing into fossil carbon at her behest. There is a probability we might buy her a couple hundred millions more years, just as well as strip her of a couple hundreds millions years less. That is the bet gaia made by giving us access to abundant and cheap fossil energy.

This is a technocrat cult.

this is great

13:05 А=А, Identity and Difference 18:28 A=B, Digital Difference 20:10 a/b, the General Formula of the Digital, Digital Identity 29:00 A > B, Digital judgment 32:34 x is not a/b 36:10 A is incomparable with B 38:12 a/b ≡ c/d 41:27 A + A = A, Pure Quality 43:22 A = A′, Dialectics 46:13 A is A, Tautology 48:22 Sum 52:00 Q&A

Though provoking lecture. Even when sound make listening to it hard, it worth it.

Great presentation, puts everything about cybernetics in a clear perspective. I have a question, right now technological systems are allopoetic but will there be a time when they become autopoietic?

Crazy Amazing, two Giants!

Barthélémy's a pretty dang smart guy. Great talk.

So interesting!! Thank you so much for the upload

Very interesting lecture! It's so cool to see another perspective on cybernetics and socialism after learning of Stafford Beer's work in Chile under Allende in the early 70s. Thanks very much

Very cool video! Thank you for uploading. With regards to the implications about AI, my sense is that the ultimate victory of the cyberneticists should come in the just-falling-short of present AI strategies. They were right that the brain is a functional, embodied organ, and what we have done with our mass data is not overcome this but approximate a second reality only parallel to our own. Its why AI can still get smarter but not make basic inferences like if A=B then B=A as recent papers showed. It's why the head of OpenAI (and others) says they're not training GPT5 because the scaling is falling off, but they are considering that 'maybe some symbolic reasoning' or some other shift in paradigm will deliver AGI. In my opinion, it will not happen, because mind is fully embodied, and no matter how vast a digital reduction of reality becomes, it is not reality. If you wanted to approximate reality fully, you would not seek raw compute and dead data, but the active inputs of billions of cells and subsystems... which sounds familiar.

Great contribution. Thank you for this very important upload! Grazie Yuk, Dan! Un caloroso saluto da Palermo (Sicily, Italy)

interesting . 🌏🌎🌍✊

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thank you , my extremely cursed youtube algorithm , for never passing up gems like this one

This was fascinating on so many different levels. For example It is compelling to see how different but equally great thinkers fell in the same patterns of thought at such secular timeframes. To find out both this channel and the work of miss Antomarini made my day, thank you!