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Amen

A far more charitable reply to him than my own. At this point, it's clear whatever his argument's form, there is only one arrow: infant baptism is necessary to be Reformed. Nevermind there are very good Reformed Historical Scholars who have taken him to task for that take. Nevermind our political theology is more Reformed than his, and he flunks the Westminster wayback by his own logic. To be Reformed is to baptize babies. It's a terrible take. And at times I think he's argued it in bad faith even. But he's staked too much of his reputation on it to back down.

Thank you for the labor. That's not true bro Sam. We are reading your work!

Thanks sharing this with pedo friend that's saying I'm not reformed 😂

I'd like to say I'm part of both churches... visible and invisible. 😁

That's right!😂 I have it😊 Galatians 5:22, 23 But the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace patience (long suffering), gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness and temperance (self-control): against such there is no law. Live with one another in love, Jesus taught, and so doing you will have kept all of the law.😊

I have found both of these discussions highly profitable. Thank you.

I study metaphysics University of Sedona and I am learning quite a bit like the power of the Mind

So basically "stfu, sit down, i've taken power therefore your faith stays indoors"

Would it not be justice by degree as well? For instance, government may punish murder, but not acknowledge God. It is just to the extent to which it punishes infraction of natural law (which is God's) but not to the extent it ignores God.

Enjoyed the content I would question whether they are the same theologically . The fault lines still are there even 350 years later . All to do with sanctification . Complete or progressive . Ist confession seems to me to be a statement of completed sanctification by Christ (article XXIX) The second in Chapter 13- suggests progressive . I would suggest the changes were motivated by charges of antinomianism ! And the need for unity between separatist groups after 1662 in particular . These teachings last still divide today.

I would love to hear you guys break down some of the key points of this discussion and explain some of your thoughts on how it went. I'm not sure what you were expecting, but I personally was disappointed and frustrated with how Flowers responded to your arguments.

Begome Orthodox

I have no belief what god is, cause i have no idea what is a god. I only hear and see what other people think what god is, from books and literature made by man, no solid text explaining what god is. So i just choose not to believe in something that has no solid foundation or any whatsoever, till i find good evidence.

Missing the forrest from the trees.

This was aired three years ago, and I just learnt about it. From what I see of Joel Webbon's channel, this is a very dangerous and hateful doctrine. "It's time to hate the sin AND THE SINNER again." How are the so-called heresy hunter channels not calling this out, when it *so* undermines the Gospel of "in faith alone." Channels like Polite Leader are proclaiming which believers are and are not saved, on grounds such as being a career woman, and which of the single men in church a single woman wants to marry. How are hateful pharisees saved themselves, when they obviously believe works save.

Hebrews is specifically dealing the priesthood, it has nothing to do with the moral principles underlying the judcial laws. If God decides that executing adulteres is the appropriate moral application of the moral law, you do not have the right to decide otherwise. Since the new testament absolutely affirms the continuing validity of death penalties carried out by civil magistrates, we are obliged to affirn the same. You guys are picking and choosing which moral principles you think are binding, ironically accusing the theonomist as being inconsistent. We absolutely can take judicial laws from the old covenant, recognize universal moral principles and apply them in the new covenant. Paul himself did NOT refuse to be put to death under Mosaic Law in Acts , and explicitely identifes the function of the civil magistrate - define by Gods revealed law. In Hebrews 10, the argument about eternal judgement is an a fortiori argument, which means its logically assuming the validity of penal sanctions for civil crimes in order to justify making the argument for eternal judgement. Youve been reading too much Kline - which is the truly poor covensnt theology. Your argument from Hebrews actually.proves the theonomic thesis, rather than the antinimian one you are promoting. You misapplied Pauls argument wheb he says gentiles show they have the law written on theor hearts, this is only mentioned to condemn them before God, not to pretend the whims of fallen sinners are a model to follow. Natural sufficent to condemn, this is 100% the only way Paul appeals to what youd call "natural law," Paul entirely appeals to the old testament for standards of righteousness, godliness and holiness, including for the civil magistrate. "You will never find a new testament example of a judicial law being applied to gentile nations in the new testament." Uhm, Romans 13 prescribes the standards which ALL governments are to function under. Its not natural law. You guys are constantly confusing categories and making baseless claims using poor exegesis (or none at all, Klines intrusion ethic is completely devoid of a shred of exetegical support), while ironically and hypocritically accusing the theonomist of inconsistency. Amazing 👏

This was a slanderous and laughable misapprehension of theonomy, presbyteriansm, and historic Reformed theology. How disappointing.

Of Religious Worship and the Sabbath Day Chapter 22 - PARAGRAPH 1 The light of nature shows that there is a God, who has lordship and sovereignty over all; is just, good and does good to all; and is therefore to be feared, loved, praised, called upon, trusted in, and served, with all the heart and all the soul, and with all the might.1 But the acceptable way of worshipping the true God, is instituted by himself,2 and so limited by his own revealed will, that he may not be worshipped according to the imagination and devices of men, nor the suggestions of Satan, under any visible representations, or any other way not prescribed in the Holy Scriptures.3 1 Jer. 10:7; Mark 12:33 2 Deut. 12:32 3 Exod. 20:4-6 - PARAGRAPH 2 Religious worship is to be given to God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and to him alone;4 not to angels, saints, or any other creatures;5 and since the fall, not without a mediator,6 nor in the mediation of any other but Christ alone.7 4 Matt. 4:9-10; John 6:23; Matt. 28:19 5 Rom. 1:25; Col. 2:18; Rev. 19:10 6 John 14:6 7 1 Tim. 2:5 - PARAGRAPH 3 Prayer, with thanksgiving, being one part of natural worship, is by God required of all men.8 But that it may be accepted, it is to be made in the name of the Son,9 by the help of the Spirit,10 according to his will;11 with understanding, reverence, humility, fervency, faith, love, and perseverance; and when with others, in a known tongue.12 8 Ps. 95:1-7, 65:2 9 John 14:13-14 10 Rom. 8:26 11 1 John 5:14 12 1 Cor. 14:16-17 - PARAGRAPH 4 Prayer is to be made for things lawful, and for all sorts of men living, or that shall live hereafter;13 but not for the dead,14 nor for those of whom it may be known that they have sinned the sin unto death.15 13 1 Tim. 2:1-2; 2 Sam. 7:29 14 2 Sam. 12:21-23 15 1 John 5:16 - PARAGRAPH 5 The reading of the Scriptures,16 preaching, and hearing the Word of God,17 teaching and admonishing one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, singing with grace in our hearts to the Lord;18 as also the administration of baptism,19 and the Lord's supper,20 are all parts of religious worship of God, to be performed in obedience to him, with understanding, faith, reverence, and godly fear; moreover, solemn humiliation, with fastings,21 and thanksgivings, upon special occasions, ought to be used in an holy and religious manner.22 16 1 Tim. 4:13 17 2 Tim. 4:2; Luke 8:18 18 Col. 3:16; Eph. 5:19 19 Matt. 28:19-20 20 1 Cor. 11:26 21 Esther 4:16; Joel 2:12 22 Exod. 15:1-19, Ps. 107 - PARAGRAPH 6 Neither prayer nor any other part of religious worship, is now under the gospel, tied unto, or made more acceptable by any place in which it is performed, or towards which it is directed; but God is to be worshipped everywhere in spirit and in truth;23 as in private families24 daily,25 and in secret each one by himself;26 so more solemnly in the public assemblies, which are not carelessly nor wilfully to be neglected or forsaken, when God by his word or providence calls thereunto.27 23 John 4:21; Mal. 1:11; 1 Tim. 2:8 24 Acts 10:2 25 Matt. 6:11; Ps. 55:17 26 Matt. 6:6 27 Heb. 10:25; Acts 2:42 - PARAGRAPH 7 As it is the law of nature, that in general a proportion of time, by God's appointment, be set apart for the worship of God, so by his Word, in a positive moral, and perpetual commandment, binding all men, in all ages, he has particularly appointed one day in seven for a sabbath to be kept holy unto him,28 which from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ was the last day of the week, and from the resurrection of Christ was changed into the first day of the week, which is called the Lord's Day:29 and is to be continued to the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week being abolished. 28 Exod. 20:8 29 1 Cor. 16:1-2; Acts 20:7; Rev. 1:10 - PARAGRAPH 8 The sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering their common affairs aforehand, do not only observe a holy rest all day, from their own works, words and thoughts, about their worldly employment and recreations,30 but are also taken up the whole time in the public and private exercises of his worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.31 30 Isa. 58:13; Neh. 13:15-22 31 Matt. 12:1-13

I have this kind of a thing okay

Exodus 31, "Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a covenant forever. 17 * It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed."

I have never seen a Puritan/Reformed in the 1st or 2nd generations who denied a Sabbath. Only antinomians, Now where the question gets tricky is the Patristics. Because I have never read a Patristic who *did* equate the Lord's Day with the Sabbath. I personally think this has to do with the prevalence of slavery in Roman society. When 50% of the Empire is slaves, and a higher proportion of the Early Church drawn from slaves and wage-slave classes, telling them to incur their master's punishment or starve served no good purpose. The lengths they went to observe the Day for worship even were notable for devotion even in secular Roman sources.

The church (any church) is a massive threat to a decent society

Cringe

Loved the cybersecurity example you laid out. Really helpful to see what could be happening inside the church.

Very helpful!

Keep your eyes on Jesus, not on man.

The only book you need is the Holy Bible because it is the LIVING word of God, there is no other book like it.

Amen!!!

Hello, I left a small church a few years ago and the "hand-wringing" and constant "over emphasis on introspection" that you referred to was one of the reasons why. Many seemed depressed, discouraged, and stuck in an endless cycle of navel gazing. It was extremely unhealthy. Glad to be out of that. Grateful for more balanced teaching from particular baptists. Thank you.

Brother you have said some real penetrating truth concerning the western mindset

Thank you! I have read the first two books of Dr. Carter’s trilogy and they are excellent. They have convinced me that I need to repent of much of my doctoral training and the way I have taught.

Very helpful brothers. Thank you tor covering this. Ill be sharing it with my congregation

Sounding very theonomic here

Amen 🙏🏻✝

Excellent work, Gents! Are you familiar with American Reformer, and would you consider submitting your work as an article there?

Solid episode, Thanks

Amen, brother.

On point 💯

We got the background music now I see 😀

As a former dispensationalist I must in all charity say that not all and certianly not the ones I was trained under believe that it was a "plan B" For years I was a calvinist as a dispensationalist and believed it was God's eternal plan for an Israel/Church distinction. I am now Reformed Baptist as of about five years so have outgrown that. But to be clear and accuate just wanted to point this out so to help us minimize "strawmen" stuff. Please accept it in the spirit of love in which I send it. However. I want to say... everything else..a hearty amen!!! Thank you for this podcast. Blessings my brothers.

As a former dispensationalist I must say in all charity of course that most of the ones I knew and was trained by did not believe In a "plan B" I myself for years after I became a calvinist still held to dispensationalism and believed that the Israel/Church distinction was always God's plan. So just wanted to let you know so you are informed that this is not a universal thought among dispensationalists. Just wanted say thank you my brothers for this podcast. I have been Reformed Baptist now for over five years am confessional and reformed. It seems to be the work God does in time with those He converts to sovereign grace. Great discussion. Blessings.

It even close. A response will follow this comment when I finish the video.

I noticed that Paul applied that law to the church

All imaginary bull crap😅😅😅

If Adam had obeyed, he would have merited eternal life. Where does God say this in Genesis, or anywhere else? Covenant Theology depends on this point. But you don't have this.

Could you provide a link to the original interview? I really would like to listen to it in its entirety

Enjoyed this, not sure I agree with every point though.

Thanks for the podcast guys and all the research and making it accessible on the early particular Baptists, Sam.

When you say there was not an individual emphasis but ecclesiastical, how do you see the "tracts" that were printed and disseminated in England in 17th / 18th century by individuals?