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It really has. Chronic safety failures, for years. For anyone keeping score, here's Lonin League member Jon Chouinard knocking this guy out back in 2018: th-cam.com/video/Dwmk-mKoyHQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=XIn4zn5dPQlW1YrW

​@@WellIguessitsBri He has also not appreciably changed or adjusted his behavior. He still seeks to pommel the shit out of people from what I understand.

@@josiasarcadiaYeah he pommeled someone to the ground again in a tournament 3 months ago. He got thrusted in the face twice in a row, then when he realized he had nothing on his opponent, charged in while eating shots then chucked a pommel at the dude’s head. So much for martial fencing

Setting aside Jon, the problem here is the rule set. Those strikes were both controlled. The inexperienced fencer on the right dropped his guard after the first strike. Continuous style fencing that inherently allows multiple strikes to the head is a recipe for concussions.

@@danzimet4013 Agreed that the ruleset is a problem, but to me the first strike looked like it had quite a bit of mustard on it, and obviously yeah a follow up strike isn’t doing much of a favor. Another issue of the ruleset though is the grey area on what breaks an exchange. Sometimes they separate briefly and sometimes they let it go. Well great, now you get a fencer who thinks a break might’ve been called by the ref, and fencer who just keeps going against someone who lets their guard down. What a combo…

Strike to the back, followed by me taking a moment to make sure all my parts still worked.

There is a loft up above where the camera is filming from where a panel of judges records the outcome of exchanges based on a set of criteria like who attacked first, who protected themself better, whether or not the fencers ended up grappling, etc.

I was tired as fuck! LOL We almost did another tie-breaker round after the third round, so imagine how that would have looked!

As I understand and from my experience: 1. Human error. Fencing is hard and sometimes someone just doesn't parry in time, believe's themself to be out of measure when they aren't, etc. 2. Intensity. Typically we tend to creep in closer as an exchange proceeds, once you're in a closer measure its becomes much harder to react in time and see what your opponent is doing. 3. Training and fatigue. Many fencers know how they begin to slow down as a fight (or single exchange) continues. The focus on clean fencing is to hit your opponent as quick as possible- which doesn't necessarily mean on the first intention- and get out safely. Swinging at each other in a parry riposte back and forth isn't exactly the way fencers learn to improve. 4. Desire to score. Often time fencers will spy an opening and attack it, which occurs the same time their opponent ALSO sees an opening so they double. I hope this helps!

@@selectyourvector9656 It makes a lot of sense! However, there has to be some inherent difference between two handed and one handed swords when it comes to sparring, as the later one tends to have longer exchanges more often. Maybe it has to do with the simple fact that two handed swords having more leverage just make the whole thing quicker in general.

@@leoprzytuac3660 Yes I agree with that, having fenced with longsword, Rapier, Sword and Buckler, and Saber I think an inherent difference besides two handed leverage is that all of these weapons seem to engage at around the same measure. The grappling range for these weapon systems effectively stays the same, yet one can hit you from much further away (rapier has a longer measure but it still has one handes cutting mechanics). What I mean by this is although a longsword has more offline footwork and a longer reach than a Saber, you still start an exchange from about the same distance, yet that distance allows for a defender to react to a shorter reach weapon with more time, and therefore voiding and parrying becomes easier. In exchanges where both fencers play short and rush into measure it doesn't really matter what weapon you're using it ends pretty quickly (or just goes into an exhausting prolonged grapple, which is where the fun begins)

Thanks! (From the guy in green)

Hard to swallow pill: some fighters, seeing they can't beat their opponent in fencing, go for grappling and pushing.

Now that you mention it, I was wondering what that thing in my hand was! Thanks for the tip, I’ll remember that next time 😂

@@joshuaalan1360 don't hesitate if you have other questions, always here to help xD

@@StuffGong In all seriousness though, this was a long day! The format of the bouts prevented us from getting any adequate rest between rounds and even fights, and this was the point where form started to really break down. My opponent here, Justin, had some success in bull rushing his previous opponents and it looked like he was trying to replicate that here with me. It was all I could do, to meet him in the clashes and try to out grapple him! The rules format also encouraged just outright brawls, double hits, afterblows, etc -- which made it hard to keep clean!

They’re probably baseball Easton leg guards, you can get them off Amazon in red.

Yo! I got them from Easton! The legs are SPES and were borrowed, and the jacket was also SPES!

@@joshuaalan1360 SPES made red armor like that? Do they still make them? And thanks for answering! 😁😁

@@ScottGrow117 By legs I mean the pants, my apologies for any miscommunication! Yes though, the pants were made by SPES and I believe are still able to be purchased from them. I recently bought their Dragonfly model through Purpleheart Armory, and remember seeing options for other models that included choice of color.

Yes in the ruleset it's 2 sets of 45 seconds with a 15 second break in the middle. The clock only stops and fighters return to their corners when a warning, gear issue, ringout, or any other situation the director veiws as stop worthy (such as to assess a situation with fellow staff or a grapple was particularly intense). Exchanges are scored silently by judges and are only worth one point regardless of targeting, unless 3 quality hits without afterblow, or a move of particular technical merit occurs. The intention of this to my knowledge is to inspire a very intense and "brawly" feel to the match, and without the knowledge of how a fencer is fairing between exchanges there is less chance they will take advantage of a point lead. Although I'm not a personal fan of this ruleset, it didn't prevent some beautiful exchanges from occurring

@@selectyourvector9656 That is very interesting, thanks a lot for the detailed reply :)

@@selectyourvector9656 I thought it was more like boxing, where the overall better fighter wins. I think this ruleset is interesting because fighters are focused on fencing and don't (or shouldn't) rush to score a point. Some fencers didn't do better than what I call "sword rugby", running on each other and trying to push or throw until the judges call 'em to separate. But others, like these two, really show how much great swordsmanship can be produced with this tournament format.

Apparently they are back at it again this year

Longsword is either thrust or cut. It has an edge on both sides for a reason.

You're silly!

They cut just fine, plenty of footage of longsword cutting through tatami. Details of the fight might be lost on you though if you don't even know what to look for

Then you really didn't do any research. Or you're confusing longswords with its cousin estoc.

Do you know anything or are you just a keyboard warrior, it’s probably thrust only in armoured combat, but they’re simulating unarmoured combat

Still new, only a day only :)