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Ross Thompson
เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 21 มิ.ย. 2013
Pioneer SX-750 Receiver Restoration (with power relay installation and oscillation problem fix)
This video attempts to describe some of the key stages in the process of restoring a Pioneer SX-750 receiver.
In the video I discuss converting the lighting to LED and replacing the main filter capacitors, with the use of an adaptor board to make the terminations easier. I demonstrate and fix an oscillation problem in the power amplifier and show how that problem can be detected with an AM radio. I show how I added a relay for the mains power switching, to reduce the load on the damaged power switch. I show the installation of a pre-amp board, to provide a buffered output for my sub-woofer. I show the refurbishment of the power supply and protect board, and some changes to improve thermal management. I demonstrate a problem with the AM receiver chip on this unit, and how I replaced the four op-amp chips and the troublesome 2SA798 transistors.
The circuit for the pre-amp was adapted from a circuit found on this excellent web site run by Max Robinson: www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/Amp-Xst-Buf-Gain.html#Amp-Xstr-1-back
The Audiokarma web site is great for tips about all sorts of hi-fi restoration, common issues and suitable modern replacement transistors: audiokarma.org/forums/index.php
One of the absolutely best TH-cam channels for hi-fi restoration is youtube.com/@xraytonyb?si=p8EmP0BrKkEDplEc. Tony is incredibly knowledgeable, as well as being an excellent and engaging teacher. There are practical restorations as well as theory videos (or sometimes a mix of both). There is a lot of content on this channel, highly recommended!
I also have to link to Mr. Carlson's Lab TH-cam channel, youtube.com/@MrCarlsonsLab?si=3SEcxak1SlgV5cQn . Mr. Carlson (Paul) has amazing knowledge of old and new electronics, as well as the most incredible array of test equipment. He does things the right way! Quite astonishing, he also has a wealth of educational videos and projects to make on his Patreon channel. Again, highly recommended.
An absolutely brilliant channel is Mend It Mark, youtube.com/@MendItMark?si=Xk9yU6PpaS2TBRlE . Mark is very skilled indeed at all aspects of electronics repair and fabrication of unobtainable parts. He has a lovely cheerful personality and is very engaging to watch.
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
04:54 Lighting conversion to LED
09:13 Filter capacitor replacement
12:13 Power amplifier oscillation problem - exploration and fix
20:03 Adding a mains relay to switch the receiver
28:24 Discussion of the custom pre-amp module
35:20 Refurbishment of the Power Supply and Protect board, and thermal management improvements
39:53 AM reception problem and diagnosis
44:29 Replacing the TA7136 op-amps with OPA604.
46:50 Replacing the 2SA798 dual transistors
49:07 Wrap-up.
In the video I discuss converting the lighting to LED and replacing the main filter capacitors, with the use of an adaptor board to make the terminations easier. I demonstrate and fix an oscillation problem in the power amplifier and show how that problem can be detected with an AM radio. I show how I added a relay for the mains power switching, to reduce the load on the damaged power switch. I show the installation of a pre-amp board, to provide a buffered output for my sub-woofer. I show the refurbishment of the power supply and protect board, and some changes to improve thermal management. I demonstrate a problem with the AM receiver chip on this unit, and how I replaced the four op-amp chips and the troublesome 2SA798 transistors.
The circuit for the pre-amp was adapted from a circuit found on this excellent web site run by Max Robinson: www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/Amp-Xst-Buf-Gain.html#Amp-Xstr-1-back
The Audiokarma web site is great for tips about all sorts of hi-fi restoration, common issues and suitable modern replacement transistors: audiokarma.org/forums/index.php
One of the absolutely best TH-cam channels for hi-fi restoration is youtube.com/@xraytonyb?si=p8EmP0BrKkEDplEc. Tony is incredibly knowledgeable, as well as being an excellent and engaging teacher. There are practical restorations as well as theory videos (or sometimes a mix of both). There is a lot of content on this channel, highly recommended!
I also have to link to Mr. Carlson's Lab TH-cam channel, youtube.com/@MrCarlsonsLab?si=3SEcxak1SlgV5cQn . Mr. Carlson (Paul) has amazing knowledge of old and new electronics, as well as the most incredible array of test equipment. He does things the right way! Quite astonishing, he also has a wealth of educational videos and projects to make on his Patreon channel. Again, highly recommended.
An absolutely brilliant channel is Mend It Mark, youtube.com/@MendItMark?si=Xk9yU6PpaS2TBRlE . Mark is very skilled indeed at all aspects of electronics repair and fabrication of unobtainable parts. He has a lovely cheerful personality and is very engaging to watch.
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
04:54 Lighting conversion to LED
09:13 Filter capacitor replacement
12:13 Power amplifier oscillation problem - exploration and fix
20:03 Adding a mains relay to switch the receiver
28:24 Discussion of the custom pre-amp module
35:20 Refurbishment of the Power Supply and Protect board, and thermal management improvements
39:53 AM reception problem and diagnosis
44:29 Replacing the TA7136 op-amps with OPA604.
46:50 Replacing the 2SA798 dual transistors
49:07 Wrap-up.
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Very interesting and informative video. I think your channel would benefit if you didn't disable playing your videos on other platforms where ads can be blocked.
Thank you for your kind comment and suggestion.
Very impressive. Restoring same unit now for a friend. Those heat sink compensation diodes do have short wires and my amp board bows out in middle. Wish pioneer used thicker pc boards. No way am I going back to that amp board. Lol
Thank you for your kind comment. Best of luck with your restoration. Yes, the amp board bows out on mine too. I did wonder about trying to add a central support but in the end I left it as it was. Indeed, those diodes... I have a spare set of the three diode packs but not the four. In anticipation of possibly breaking them (fortunately they were ok) I did some bench experiments with a view to replicating them with a Vbe multiplier - there is a really good video explaining those on w2aew's channel. I did get a circuit breadboarded but didn't take it further. I have a few SX-450s and 550s to restore so as an exercise I might try the Vbe multiplier idea in one of those just to see if it is viable.
My dad had one of those 'back in the day' - nostalgic to see one!
Well done!
Thank you, and thanks for watching the video.
I use a reconditioned Pioneer SX-5590 receiver in my home office driving a pair of TeKton Lore speakers, fantastic match by the way . Some of my younger clients are fascinated over the looks of the Pioneer receiver having never seen one before , often our meeting is side tracked by talking about all the devices people listen to music with nothing coming close to the beauty of a vintage Pioneer receiver.
Absolutely, they do look and sound great - definitely a talking point !
@@rossthompson1635 A back story of my Pioneer SX-5590 , Owning and using a vintage 70s receiver never entered my mind until the day I laid eyes on it at a estate sale down the street . I was there to look at a lawn and garden tractor and came home with the receiver and the tractor. While closing the deal on the tractor I entered the house and there she was dialed in to a local FM station , I instantly fell in love with it ,…. At that time I had a Accuphase E-280 a music server , dac and TeKton speakers in my home office, The Pioneer receiver ate the Accuphase intergrate for breakfast, such a fabulous match with the TeKton Lores ..I had it checked out and refreshed it sounds absolutely glorious.
MISTY WATER COLORED MEMORIES .......OF THE THINGS I HEARD.........the best stereo i ever had
Quality video - well explained and fixed. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you very much for that kind comment - it was a fun project.
Nice restoration, Thanks for sharing.
Thank you very much for your kind comment.
I really didn't fully understand that pre-amp board you installed. Did this increase the gain level of the audio signal from pre-amp section to the amp section? What did that do to the sound.
Sorry for such a late reply - and thank you for watching the video. Yes, the voltage level of the pre-amp signal internal to the receiver (i.e. after the tone/volume stage but before the power amp) tops out at 1V, but that is with the amp up full outputting 25W, just before clipping. To give an adequate level to drive the amplifier in my subwoofer at normal listening levels (without having to have its own gain maxed out) I had to boost the level of the pre-amp signal; 6dB (double the voltage) was enough in this case. By chance this gave me roughly the same pre-amp voltage level as I measured on a more modern Marantz receiver with a pre-amp out already built in (when both were outputting similar power levels).
Hello Ross sure wish I had your knowledge of Electrics I love my separates but alas there just aren't any repair emporiums out there anymore I'm forever asking around, do you know where I could acquire the old rear black & red speaker knobs as shown on the SX636 keep the Vids coming Ta .
Hi, sorry for the late reply. Thank you for your kind comments and for watching the video. I'm afraid I don't know of a source for those knobs, I fear it is mainly a matter of keeping an eye on Ebay, as people sometimes part these units out.
Nice video and explanation! I saw a 636 yesterday at my local thriftstore for 50 euro's but didn't take it, as I have already plenty of finds, but now I'm having second thoughts 😅
Your DC circuit for servicing the requirements of those LEDs is just brilliant! I must try something like that!
Hello Ross, We have a 636 also where the left channel is giving us issues, do you repair these for other people? Thanks, Pjb
I'm very sorry but I don't - this is just a hobby at present as I have very little time between work and other commitments. Maybe when I retire.... but that is a few years away. I hope you can find someone to get it working properly again.
Sounds like you had fun doing this project, would you like to restore my 636 for me ? My mother bought it for me after my father passed away in 1976, I was 13 yrs old at the time. It has a tremendous amount of sentimental value to me as you could imagine.
Fantastic work on your Pioneer SX-636 receiver. Amazing details. Please share other vintage restorations as you can. Your circuit board additions are very nice as well. I am working on a Pioneer SX-880 currently. Thanks for sharing Ross.
Many thanks for your very kind comments. I do hope to work on an SX-750 in the new year. Best of luck with your 880.
I remember these Pioneer boxes well. Was in the early stages of radio at the time as an intern (1978), but can't remember which made Pink Floyd, or Led Zeppelin sound better. Pioneer, or Maranz? Hmmmm?
Great job ! Looking forward to seeing more of your well thought out videos and interesting projects.
Many thanks indeed for your kind comments.
Really wonderful restoration! You went above and beyond for this old beauty and I'm happy to hear you'll be using it a lot now. I have a 636 that I am going to start work on soon so this was a lovely watch. Cheers.
Thank you very much!
Would love to see more vintage audio repairs from you. Greatly enjoyed this one. I have a pioneer SX 737 that I bought in 76 I believe and it’s still going.
Thank you for your kind words and encouragement. I would certainly like to do some more videos - as ever, time between work is the tricky thing, but I have more projects waiting.
Good job on that SX-636 receiver. I own a SX-737 receiver and I'm very pleased with it, it also got a great sound. I will never sell it.
Thank you. Yes, I feel the same about this one - hanging on to it for sure.
Why would you replace the transistors. Surely that would change the sound of your receiver.
Unfortunately this receiver has some known trouble-makers that just need to go - either to fix faults or for future reliability. When I first turned it on, one of the channels was banging and crackling very badly - this wasn't due to noisy controls but bad transistors. (2SC1451 is a key one that has to go, and 2SA726, 2SC1344 are suspects for going noisy). But yes, I didn't need to replace all of them - the main outputs I think were good, but for me it was partially a case of practice and also for future reliability. If the replacement transistors are suitable equivalents I don't think they change the nature of the sound; I believe most of that comes from replacing capacitors - especially the small electrolytics in the signal path. Because it wasn't working very well to start with I can't really say what it sounded like before everything was changed, I just know it sounds really good now - I'm enjoying listening to everything I have thrown at it so far!
Hey Ross, don't you have difficulty getting semiconductor equivalents from tjings from the 70s? Or do you have some formula
Yes - it does take a bit of research; you have to find a modern transistor (or diode) with a similar specification. A really useful starting point is to look at posts from others who are really experts at this - and for this particular receiver I've (now) put a link in the video description to a specific post from MarkTheFixer on AudioKarma. Otherwise it is possible to download data sheets for old and modern transistors and compare the many parameters for a good match; in the case of the two "pass" transistors in the power supply, I went with some I already had in stock (MJE15030) rather than the suggested ones. (many thanks for raising this as it made me realise I needed to put that link in to the description!).
I have this receiver. Picked it up needing a little TLC for $125.
That sounds like a good deal - I hope you get it up and running.
@@rossthompson1635 This was several summers ago, My favorite lower powered vintage receiver I have.
@@shannondavis4380Excellent! I think it has become my favourite too.
Good video. I’m currently restoring a 74 AKAI AA910, love the old Japanese iron. Greetings from Canada. Subscribed.
Thank you for watching from beautiful Canada. (I'm in the UK). Very best of luck with your AKAI project.
Hi Ross, I've just rescued my dad's old 636 from being chucked in the skip. He doesn't seem that attached to it, whereas I think it looks great. It's been in his loft since the early 90's so I'm going to give it a good service before I start using it again. If you happen to have a list of the components you bought for the renovation, would it be possible to share them? I've not even taken the top off mine yet. Also, are you going to make the gerbers/schematics for those PCB's available?
Hi, I hope you can get it back in service, they sound really good. For parts, I don't have a full bill of materials as I ordered from a few places as well as using some of my own stock - but I highly recommend the post in this thread on AudioKarma from Mark The Fixer audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/pioneer-sx-636-rushing-sound-on-left-channel.517531/ , which lists suitable replacement components, but I think you will find many of the Mouser part numbers listed will be no longer valid. Then I'm afraid you'll have to trawl through suppliers to see who has what in stock. But you can probably get it going with only some small fixes - I did go a bit overboard with full replacements but it was partially for learning. The main filter capacitors are very likely to be fine. When I got my unit it was popping and banging in one channel but there are some known "replace on sight" small transistors in there that go noisy (again see the Audio Karma thread). The main outputs were fine but for reliability I changed them anyway. I hadn't thought about making the Gerbers available but I am rather caught out by evryone's kind interest in the video - I'll have a think about how to do that. Thank you for watching - and best of luck!
I hope you are going to post more service and repair videos. Film more of the prosess too if you can. Thats the really interesting part. Btw. Im part of a group on fb that focus on audio related Repairs on vintage stuff. If you want to join i can send you the details 😊
Hi Alex thank you for your encouragement, really appreciated. I would like to do some more videos, I am just amazed with some of the time and trouble others have taken to share their knowledge on TH-cam. As with everyone I'm sure, time is the issue - full time shift work (and recovery from it) leaves me little space, but retirement is looming so output may increase in a few years 😊 Thank you also for your kind offer re. fb, I'm not currently on fb (deliberate choice!) but I may look in to restarting it.
@@rossthompson1635 fb is a mess, so i understand why you don't want it. I use it mostly for messenger to keep in touch with people, Marketplace, and discussing repairs. 👍
I would love to get one of these again - they sound amazing.
They do sound great, thank you for watching.
And a good job on designing those small boards 👍
Thank you, that part was really good fun!
Good work. 👍 A little overkill on the lights, because those led lights don't flicker , but you did a good job. The Only caps that goes bad in these are the caps that was bad in yours , the ones right beside the rectifier diodes . the main filter caps goes rarely bad. But swapping out the small caps in the audio path is always good. Im interested in buying the old transistors that are still good from you. If you are interested in selling them.
Thank you 😊 Yes I probably did go a bit overboard with the lights. I notice with some mains LED bulbs I am aware of edge-of-vision flicker and that just made me wary. I'm also quite close to the limit of regulation drop-out with rectified 8V AC and a 7V LDO regulator, but unless you really crank the volume to max the lights don't dip in intensity with the beat. Was it the main output transistors you were interested in? I'm going to hang on to those until I get another project completed, but they may turn out not to be required - I'll bear your interest in mind!
@@rossthompson1635 the main transistors yes. You do that 😊.
Loved the video, there is something quite therapeutic about listening to you talking about capacitors and describing your love for PCB designing…
Thank you - I'm pleased you enjoyed it. I am very new to making PCBs (and these are simple ones) but it is a very satisfying process.
Loved this - I had previously watched a video about the ECOflow - th-cam.com/video/IPiZ4FJcMRo/w-d-xo.html which looked good and didn't go into anything like your depth.
Great video Ross. Interesting about the lack of Earth which of course is obvious when thinking about this as a fancy battery but it feels that the manufacturers should put some form of warning label about lack of Earth as some devices as you have shown are sensitive to no Earth. Of course using this to power routers or laptops etc it does not matter and maybe that is what most would buy it for. The solar panel section was extremely informative as I did not realise how bad shading affects output.