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Forest River 18 RR Toy Hauler: Tie Down System Update
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RV Toy Hauler Tie Down System: Update
Loading our Forest River 18 RR Toy Hauler: Affordable, Reliable Tie Down System
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Hauling a Yamaha 1300 V Star in a Forest River 18 RR Toy Hauler. A reliable and affordable tie down method.
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Thanks for the follow up. Looking at this trailer to do pretty much the same thing. I use a block/ or staked wood under frame after bike in wheel chock. Leave about 1"or less between frame and wood. When you ratchet bike down it will sit on wood. Very stable and doesn't over compress suspension.
I bought a system that’s on line called boltiton, the guy is out of California, it cost around 700, worth every penny. Very easy to install.
The bolt it on looks like a really great system however (super smart and nice design) with my smaller RV I wouldn't be able to access some of the things in the kitchen and would have to crawl over the frame of the system to get to the back of the trailer. The reason I did mine the way I did is because I want to be able to use everything without unloading the bike at night on long trips.
I have a Forest River toy hauler paid 30000.00, 2600 for extended warranty, the first time I took the bike off the trailer , I put the front breaks on and the linoleum tore like it was paper because they didn’t glue it down, near the ramp where you pick up speed after the back tire goes down the ramp. Forest River refused to fix under warranty saying it is my fault. I have a Harley Ultra Classic 950 lbs. They are lucky the front end didn’t kick out on me.
One time I saw the linoleum slide a little on mine too and could tell it wasn't glued down well, since then I have been extra careful. I hate to hear that your flooring tore. I have been thinking about putting down a strip of diamond plate where the bike sits and attaching it with some counter sunk screws. Glad you didn't drop your bike in the trailer, that could cause a lot of problems and damage.
Hi. I just came across your video as i also have a 2020 GMC Canyon. It wasn't clear as to which level of trim you have? Mine is the SLE, 3.6L V6, tow capacity of 7000lbs. And I am happy to see it did so well as we are considering a similar trailer weight.
I would like to see a video of how you unload the motorcycle and what you do at that moment when your feet don't touch the ground while halfway off the ramp. We had a 19RR for a couple of years. The deck height is high and the ramp is very steep - like you my feet an not reach to the ground when the front wheel starts up the ramp and the back wheel is on the pavement. While loading that is not a huge issue - but while unloading it is a very serious issue. I had to build a ramp extension that was 6' long and had legs at the front that elevated and would support the trailer ramp about 14" above the pavement. This allowed me to load and unload the motorcycle with my feet touching the ramp the entire time. It was the only way I could load/unload my 600 pound motorcycle safely. The ramp supports folded up and the ramp was stored flat against the back wall (ramp) when we were traveling. This ramp extension added about 10 minutes of time to set up while loading/unloading and it worked - but it was a bit tedious. We now have an RV and haul the motorcycle in an enclosed trailer with a floor height of 16" and it is far easier to load/unload the motorcycle.
First thing is to make sure that you are straight and well balanced. Then when you get to the point that it is difficult to reach the ground DON'T STOP for that two or three feet until you get solid footing again; you only have to balance for a second or two. (if you stop in the middle where you cannot touch it can get really difficult really quick) Also my wife is there when loading and unloading and she is often a great help just helping to steady the bike if needed by standing to the side and holding on to the luggage rack . It is a blessing to have a good helper.
You need to raise the front of the trailer as high as you can this lessons the pitch a great deal. I’m only 5’6” and didn’t have an issue when I jack the front up. Put the front and back stabilizer down so your trailer doesn’t move.
Thank you for sharing. 👍🏿👍🏿
Thanks for detailing your trip and all the valuable info about weights! Extremely helpful for inexperienced yet hopeful future RV’ers 👍👍
I have seen other videos with people pulling utility trailers and boats but never a video about pulling an RV that had much information so I thought I would share my experience to help others. Proper tongue weight and a weight distribution hitch is essential when pulling a large load. Also understanding and not exceeding the tow vehicles capabilities. Many states have different speed limits on RV's, even as low as 55 mph. We usually drive between 60-65 mph during good conditions where the speed limit allows.
I know this is a year old video, but just get rid of all those tie downs and bungies and buy a Pitbull restraint
You could buy tie downs with clips so they can't come off. For my dual sport bikes with long suspension I add bungee cords along the length of the tie down to keep tension on the strap.
Thank you for that. I am using an enclosed cargo trailer and the ramp angle is very manageable. Not sure I would enjoy loading and especially unloading a motorcycle from that height.
I recommend "Biker Bars" made by B & W Hitches. Great system!
The Biker Bar is nice, but how are you going to get the plates on the bottom side of the floor? You might have to take a lot of the underside of the trailer apart.
I'm glad to have found this video. I have a 2018 Canyon with the V6. I've been looking at Toy Haulers and been trying to stay at the super small ones. I'm glad to see I can look at slightly bigger ones than I thought. Thank you for making it!!
I have seen other videos with people pulling utility trailers and boats but never a video about pulling an RV that had much information so I thought I would share my experience to help others. Proper tongue weight and a weight distribution hitch is essential when pulling a large load. Also understanding and not exceeding the tow vehicles capabilities. Many states have different speed limits on RV's, even as low as 55 mph. We usually drive between 60-65 mph during good conditions where the speed limit allows.
Good video, what engine do you have?
That solution is brilliant
What kind of wheel chock are you using?
That looks like the Harbor Freight wheel chock.
Harbor Freight
Excellent video thanks.
What wheel chock are you using?
Looks exactly like my harbor freight one.
great info thanks for posting
Thanks for making this video, I'm in the market to get a Canyon to pull my small 2500lbs. travel trailer. this was very helpful!
Very helpful
What a great video. I had to do pretty much the same thing in my toyhauler. I would probably still be scratching my head on how to lock it down if I had seen your video. So thanks for sharing it.
What gage angle did you use 14ga or 12ga?
Great video - I don't know why the trailer manufactures don't put a beaver tail in the floor to allow a more gradual ramp where nothing drags while loading. I've been looking at the same trailer that your using. My other dig would be how you have to remove the cable to the tail gate to lower the ramp.
Appreciate the video. I've been pulling a 24' Keystone trailer 4100lbs dry; 4500lbs loaded with a 2017 Canyon V6 for several years now with no issues, around 11mpg. Just upgraded to 27' Venture Sonic dry weight 4500lbs plan to load no more than 500lbs cargo. I'm sure Canyon can handle it but video proof is always helpful. Thanks!
I installed 4 threaded inserts into my floor, 4 3/8 bolts hold my wheel lock to the floor and they are flush with the floor when it’s removed. Fact is it’s hard to even see them when not in use. Very quick, easy and wheel lock is very compact without the added angle iron. Nice job and creative thought in your design.
Every Harley rider knows how to tie down a bike. They never ride them anywhere 😊
LOL! You are so funny! I haul my Super Moto and Trail bike when I go camping. Then I have all the riding I want to do covered. I suppose you ride your bikes hundreds of miles a day, and then sleep on the ground?
Nice job also appreciate insight adapting to factory tie downs. Thank you
Great set up much like we do for our motorcycles in our toy hauler.
Great video. I was looking around for a small toy hauler. I have a 2020 Ford Ranger, which has a 7500 max tow weight. Probably similar to the Colorado. It was good to see you were able to haul it. I guess I shouldn't be shocked at the MPG, since these little four cylinders have to work pretty hard to push that thing against the wind. Thanks for the great information in these videos.
One thing I noticed on the previous video. You wrapped the strap right around your lower legs (front). I always start by wrapping a micro fiber cloth around the lower leg first. Then put the strap around that. That way if there is any movement, the soft cloth is less likely to scratch the aluminum than the hard, tie down strap.
Easier to mount four new tie downs... I always criss cross tie down at six anchor points. It ain't going anywhere
i travel a few times a year with my Road Glide in my toy hauler and just strap to the tie downs in the floor.. never a problem. just seems like a lot of work.
One of the reasons I used the wheel chock is because the front of the bike was not centered between the tie downs in the floor. It had to be off to one side so I could access the fridge, bathroom and kitchen in the RV without unloading the bike. A Second reason is because I hauled the bike 4,600 miles in the RV and wanted to make sure there wasn't going to be any problems. Every bike/RV combination is different and this is what I came up with for my particular situation and thought some of the ideas might help someone else looking for solutions. The initial set up of the chock took a little time to get right but now it only takes about 5 minutes to put it in place using a ratchet and 9/16 end wrench, it is actually pretty easy it you don't disassemble it all the way. What type of toy hauler are you using for your Road Glide? I am curious as to the layout of the tiedowns in the floor. thanks for watching
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Wait what you do not use a chock? Just the tie downs?
@@HarleyGurl114 yes for years. You don't need that.. if it gives you piece of mind then use one.. I have never used one my front tire has never even turned while tied down.
@@BlownC52000 Wow! We have two RoadGlides we use chocks for and tie downs but this is awesome to know!!!
Wow, I'm glad I found this video. We just bought a Rockwood 2205 that's at about 5k lbs and just took it on our first adventure last weekend. We got the AT4 Canyon but still have the same tow capacity and hitch weight. With the sway bars I thought the Canyon was very capable. I have yet to weigh it fully loaded with our gear, but that's next. Thanks so much for the confirmation!
Great! I would appreciate you sharing how your truck performs on some of your trips. let us know speed, terrain, fuel mileage, etc...
Hi we have a GMC AT4 2023 ALSO< and we are looking for a tow trailer, do you feel as though you could have went higher with the weight or do believe the 5000 was max for it. Everything I’ve read says over 5000 you need a sway bar but I just don’t know how it’ll perform with the weight. I was thinking like 80% of the 7700 capacity. 6140. Meh at are your thoughts after a year of towing with it? Thanks for any info
I strapped my rear to the rear swing arm
On this set up it is difficult to tie to the swing arm due to the saddle bags and the location of the tie downs in the floor. I am working on a better way to tie it down in the rear, it is mostly just to keep the back of the bike from scooting side to side as the wheel chock does all the work of stabilizing the bike. someone suggested simply tying to the back wheel which would likely work too.
Love your wheel chock mounting design ... I tie down my rear of my bike to the rear swing arm so the rear suspension isn't under constant stress
Great idea, nice job putting everything together. I just purchased a grey wolf 22RR and I'm going to use your design with my condor wheel chock. I appreciate the excellent video instruction.
Glad it was helpful, enjoy your travels!
You shouldn't be compressing your suspension system when tying down the motorcycle, front or rear. If you don't compress the system your tie downs will stay tight.
You are correct compressing the suspension can cause damage to the shock seals and suspension. These straps have very little tension and do not compress the suspension. They are there just to keep the rear tire from sliding side to side and are likely not necessary. There are some really bad sections of interstate due to construction in Mississippi and Arkansas and one of the straps likely came off bouncing over a big bump. The front of the bike is extremely secure and it's not going anywhere. Thanks for the input.
Great Idea!
Thanks for watching!
Great idea....I just purchased a B&W Biker bar simple sturdy mounting and easy removal,it would be great in a toy hauler like you have. I am looking to upgrade from a 6x12 cargo (toy hauler/camping) trailer a Grey wolf 18 RR or similar .
That looks like a really good system, looked it up and it is the first time I have seen one. For me, the only draw back would be placement in the toy hauler without putting anchors directly into the floor. I am not sure if I could get the bike where I want it using the factory tie downs. Will definitely keep it in mind for hauling on my utility trailer.
Nicely done… I’m copying your plan!
Hope it works out for you as well as it did for us. I did a follow up video after a trip because we had a small issue with the straps on the rear of the bike rubbing on the saddle bags and one rear strap came loose on some really rough road. Over all we have pulled the bike 4,600 miles with no real issues and plan to keep using the same setup.
@@ensrvtipsntravels9595 Nice! Hey, so I copied your plan, but those mounted floor latches allow the ring to move slightly. How did you remedy that problem? Or has it been a problem? I’m thinking of putting a cardboard layer on the bottom to thicken the layer beneath the rack…
I did not have any problem with the slack in the rings. I did however fold the non skid shower mat to double it up under the front of the wheel chock to reduce any slack and tighten it up a bit, so putting something under it might be a good idea. With that sticky mat underneath and the weight of the front tire on the chock it never moved. If you hit the back of the chock hard when loading it will try to tip forward so take it easy as you roll into place. My concern was overtightening the straps. I was worried that the eye bolts would pull out of the chock or break but they seemed to hold up fine. On that particular wheel chock there is a nut welded on the inside of the tube so the threads wont pull out. We made a 4,600 mile trip and some of the roads were really rough and we never had a problem, nothing moved.
@@ensrvtipsntravels9595 Solid info, thanks! I got the shower matt yesterday & will see how it holds. I’m hitting the road next week!
Does the Canyon have grade braking when in tow haul mode.
The diesel model claims to have an exhaust brake that is automatic when in tow mode and the gas model can be shifted down manually to a lower gear if necessary. The only time I have really noticed engine braking is at lower speeds (30 and under) when I am coming up to a stop light. I had to brake on a few occasions but pulling such a large trailer is like having a parachute behind you and it naturally holds you back. Also the hills were nearly all interstate highways so they may not be as steep as some of the mountain roads and state highways. I always use caution (as if driving an 18 wheeler) at the top of the hills if they are posted as a steep grade because when loaded that heavy I sure don't want it to get away from me. Also some GM models turn off the engine brake when the automatic transmission is shifted manually.
@@ensrvtipsntravels9595 Good to know, thanks.
I really appreciate you taking the time to share this, its ingenious. I've been looking at these 18RR Toy Haulers and mounting the wheel choke was a major concern I have a H-D touring bike and was wondering if the back end will fit. Do you have the measurement from the front of the wheel chock to the door Thank You
From where the front of the tire seats in the chock to the back is about 8'2" +/-. My bike is about 7'11" to the back of the luggage rack so it is pretty close but there is a few inches of gap between the ramp with the hand rails folded up. I think that you could put the chock to the front of the hooks in the floor instead of behind, basically put the angle on the back side of the cross tube and gain about 2 more inches. let me know how it works out for you! hope this helps and good luck with your project, thanks for watching
Thanks for this info! We just picked up a Clipper 16fb (18.6 foot tongue to hitch) weighing in at 2800lbs and were curious about towing it behind our 2.8l diesel Canyon. This video put pretty much all of our concerns to rest. Great vid!
Yeah, the diesel won't have any problem pulling that Clipper. If I remember correctly the manual says you don't even need tow mode until you exceed 3,000 lbs towing. You might need a weight distribution hitch but could likely get by without one. I am going to try pulling ours without the WDH for a short trip in a couple of weeks to see how it does. (without the bike loaded) Please let us know how the 2.8 does on fuel mileage and performance; would really like to know. Thanks for watching and I am glad the info was useful.
Just an update: We went for a weekend trip 50 miles away and pulled the 18RR without the weight distribution hitch; my estimate is about 5,000 lbs. had some gusting winds and with the truck feeling pretty light in the front I didn't feel comfortable pulling over about 55 mph so we ran about 50 to the destination. I would not recommend pulling that much without weight distribution hitch unless it is just to move the trailer around or a few miles down the road with limited speed. I put the hitch on for the return trip and it was well worth the extra few minutes of prep time for the travel time saved and comfort of the drive back home.
Thanks so much. Just purchased a 18 Grey Wolf and this was excellent info. Thanks
Glad it helped
We are thinking of a very similar road trip. Same truck, but less payload. We will be towing a total of 4,500lbs with our 21 Canyon. We are starting in Alabama and going to Utah. What speed did you keep it at during the majority of the trip?
Because we were so far from home and didn't want to have any mechanical problems we ran between 60 and 65 on flat ground, usually 5th and 6th gear at about 2600-3200 rpm (tried to keep it below 3000 rpm as much as we could). the truck could easily do much more but a breakdown far from home would be super expensive. Any type of head wind made a big difference because of the size of the trailer and up some of the hills we were down around 50 mph just to take it easy on the truck. most people only travel 200-250 miles per day, we averaged 500+ and spent 4 nights on the road. If you go through Colorado their roads/interstates were the worst for that trip. Also, some states have different speed limits for RV's
Excellent video! Thanks for taking the time to share. I did watch a video that had straps that would automatically sinch tighter if slack produced going over a bump. Pretty cool!
thanks for the tip, I am going to have to check those out!
Thank you for sharing, I will try this on my 18RJB Toy Hauler!!!
We almost got a 18rjb but it sold while we were still thinking about it and we missed out. Nice trailers! Thanks for watching