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This guy is a fraud and grifter. I don't know why anyone takes him seriously. He pretends to be a game developer when his game is in a pathetic state after years of development. It will never be fully finished.

isnt this the dude who originally said he likes pirating and he wants people to pirate his game?

thank goodness everyone else is wisening up to this clown

on second life he was Maldavius Figtree. he was always drama. with his history I don't get why he is starting trouble with others. he will be one of those popular TH-camrs who says the wrong thing then all the secrets come out.

Just look up his thread on the farms, ol' Maldavius Figtree is a strange character, pretty nasty stuff.

I like to remind myself that, no matter how much I admire someone, if I haven't yet found something we disagree on, it's because I haven't listened to them long enough. Thors just crossed that threshold for me.

shoutout to maldavius figtree

Thor: I can't be quiet about it. Also Thor: I'm not gonna respond to your responses and be quiet about it.

To quote Blizzard: "Offline mode is available in Starcraft: Remastered, StarCraft II, Diablo 2: Resurrected, and Warcraft III: Reforged." "RESTRICTIONS" "You must have logged in to the game at least once within the last 30 days before you can launch it in offline mode." In other words, if you cannot log in these games will become unplayable. Meanwhile, according to 'Thor' there's just a 'small number' of games like that. Right. Small number. Sure.

Meh, both Thor and Ross are arrogant, disingenuous, misinformed, pompous, vile, slimy asses coming at it from a limited, myopic perspective. But at least, even if his effort is flawed, coming from the wrong angle and he's being an ass about it, Ross is doing something, while Thor is explaining to us that old customs are old customs because they are old customs, don't question them, don't think of changing them, everything's for the best in the best possible world, move along citizen, nothing to see here.

his example is true tho in ragnarok online private servers, one of the GM team steals the source code and the data, destroys the server by @item and editing items basically making the server imbalance. then that said gm created his own private server and monetize it, tbh its a loop.

This Thor dude has such a massive ego. Imagine making a reasonable contribution to further help SKG instead of making yourself look like you're the authority of all things video games.

Who the hell calls themselves Thor? How old is this guy? My username was Punisher when I was 11.

Jason is currently flagging videos that criticize him and reveal his past.

2:25 Argument against Thor: Yes that can be an issue, but just because you give the server binaries, you don't have to give away the IP, you can still restrict how it is uses, thus making those efforts useless. For example: Mojang gives out the server software for Minecraft, but you have to agree to a EULA to use it, that EULA mentions that you can't monetize stuff Mojang has made ("Do not distribute or make commercial use of anything we've made without our permission.") so if you make your own content you can monetize that, but you can't monetize the core game. You could also release the server software from the get go like Mojang does with Minecraft, though this could cause some cheating issues, so this shouldn't be the case for every game, but if you do that, then you remove a lot of the botting problems. The game studio/publisher could even earn some money from hosting official servers as some people are too lazy to host their own, or just prefer to play the official stuff. This is not an impossible problem. Also, if it's against the EULA to monetize it, then there wouldn't be much incentive to bot it out of existence, and if the studio shuts down, they could still be doing crime by breaking that EULA by monetizing it, which means the studio, or whatever remains could come after them, and if there is a publisher, I'm sure they would be happy to sue on behalf of them. Also, the studio doesn't have to have shut down if that happens. 7:30 Argument against Thor: I'm not sure it would make it a lot harder to do live service games, especially if the result would be requiring them to release the server software. Game studios / publishers would just need to keep in mind that the server software would be given out eventually, which only has two changes to how things would be made. 1) Making it easy to in the future add a way of specifying a custom server to connect to. This is not something difficult to do, especially if you keep it in mind from the beginning, and might even be a feature in the game during testing. 2) Making the server software portable enough where it doesn't need to be run on your own setup to work. This also isn't hard, especially if the servers will be on might a VPS anyways, and again, it won't require much work if it is something you keep in mind from the beginning. Also, regulation on software doesn't make it suddenly impossible to write software. The GDPR exists, and it limits the stuff you can do and forces you to do some extra stuff, but it doesn't make it impossible to make software, it just requires you to keep some stuff in mind as you are designing and developing it. 10:15 Argument against Thor: Preserving the game doesn't mean preserving the same experience, it means being able to boot up the game and to some extent play it even after the developers have ended official support. Yes in some cases you would need some friends to actually play it, but that isn't the concern of the game devs in this potential future, this is about giving the community the opportunity to continue it on their own after it has stopped getting support rather than forcing them to never have that opportunity. And even in the cases for MMOs, you may not even need lots of players to boot up the game and play through some of it, it won't be the same, but again that isn't the concern of the devs, and it is inevitable that it won't be the same. For example, there are community made private servers for Club Penguin, and I do check in on it every now and then even though the player base is divided and tiny compared to when it was still running, and it's still fun. 13:15 Argument against you: He is adding his own opinion to the conversation, and even though it's misguided, the developer side should still be listened to as we shouldn't make their life living hell just so that we can play some games. (We should have consumer protection, but there are ways of doing that without hurting developers, but there is also ways of doing it that could hurt developers.) Where he is coming from makes sense, and his side of the table should be a side we should at least listen to. Also, having these discussions/arguments helps better flesh out the actual goal of this, what we actually want to achieve, and the ways that we could do that, and ignoring the other side and only arguing amongst ourselves doesn't help us in doing this. (Also, do you have proof that it was actually him that deleted the comment(s)? TH-cam has a tendency to delete comments for no apparent reason with no warning or notification.) Btw, I'm coming both from the side of the consumer and as the developer. I play a lot of games, but I also do programming, and sometimes that is on games, though I haven't published any games yet, so I mostly align myself with the consumer side, but I do get the developer side a little.

Finally someone who has sensible arguments rather than trying to argue with him through trying to discredit his experience as a game developer. I get where Thor is coming from, but his arguments is ignoring a lot of possible solutions out there by thinking that the game has to be ported from multiplayer server authoritative to sigleplayer client authoritative when you can just release the server software (like Mojang did with Scrolls, and fans have done with games they loved but didn't receive that treatment from the developers). Also I get where he is coming from with the arguments against having the initiative be created the way it is now, since government tends to be filled with people who doesn't understand tech, but as far as I understand it, the EU initiative becoming a thing won't put it into law, it will plan for how it could be put into law, by people who know a lot about the subject. Also, I don't know how he thinks The Crew was required to be multiplayer, yeah it may be developed to be multiplayer and may be hard to port, but as mentioned earlier a simple solution is to release the server binaries, but the bigger issue is that The Crew functioned very closely to a singleplayer game. Yes you could see other players and somewhat interact with them, but the story mode, missions, etc were all against NPCs, but still required an online connection. I used to play the game a lot, and it felt a lot like a singleplayer game with some multiplayer added on. Though I do disagree with you on banning live service games entirely. They should be regulated, by for example giving the players a way to continue playing when the game is gone, by for example giving them the server binaries, among other regulations like banning the dark patters often used in live service games. But banning them seams like a weird thing to do as live service games can from time to time actually be something good, the issue is the dark patters done in addition to having it be a live service game, not that it is a live service game. Also, for stuff like what happened with The Crew where it is essentially a singleplayer experience placed in a multiplayer world, there could possibly be regulations on requering there to be some kind of singleplayer mode, and you may not even need to do that much work for it to work, for example: in minecraft, there is multiplayer and singleplayer, but singleplayer is essentially running a multiplayer server in the background so that it doesn't have to reimplement everything just for the singleplayer experience. The core of the issue is required online only (where it doesn't make sense), no way to continue playing it after it shuts down, and the large amount of dark patterns used in many live service games. This is what should be regulated and discussed, though Stop Killing Games is focused on fixing the first two, but the latter should also be discussed and regulated at some point.. And lastly, if anyone who is reading this believes that Thor is being malicious, please read this quote: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's razor It may not be stupidity, but it seams like there may be some ignorance or misunderstanding.

Thor's entire take is a made up Strawman Argument purely so he can launch his own anti-consumer live service game and milk his dumb American community dry.

I swear Thor is standing up and sitting down at the same time.

Thor´s statement might be the most "sleeper" application to the industry ever

I was would more say that Marcus is the "face", or most popular stoic, not necessarily the progenitor

Basically: Initiative is a good thing, but we should change the wording. That’s all I heard.

Honestly he comes across as insecure not willing to have a discussion. It strikes me as someone who knows their argument would fall apart when under scrutiny. Which many have already done with their counter-arguments, yours included. It's a shame cause he does make a few good points, but he mainly comes across as disingenuous and arguing in bad faith which ruins his argument. People have seen how he reacted on stream to Ross and Louis Rossmann which is why he nuked those streams. It's a shame his sycophants will still agree with him no matter what. As an aside I saw how he acted towards the developer of the game Primordia who is currently going through a dispute with their publisher about not being paid. He was discussing it on stream, which the developer joined and was trying to explain his situation more. Thor ended up banning said Dev because the interaction was "weird" to him and to show how petty he was he uninstalled their game not long afterwards followed by a flippant remark. Which sits wrong with me. Sorry for the rant. You made great points in your video. Great work.

Thor and Florielle both come off as shills from different cabals in the gaming universe...

I hadn't discovered Thor till recently, thought his insight was interesting, more I can't stand watching him anymore.

I hope you get more subs my guy

Thor conflating the "easy win" as the main point of the initiative is so damn slimy. Now, maybe I'm not catching the social cues here, but I'm almost certain Ross said that specifically because he knows a lot of gamers would be doomers about this.

The main problem here is that it's mostly Americans discussing *European* govt. Americans on avg don't understand our own govt let alone foreign govts. 90% of the convo is people talking out of their asses and imaginations. Thor likes live service and seems to believe most new games in the future will be live service. He's going to do whatever mental gymnastics possible to be disingenuous, move the goal posts, etc, so that he doesn't have to confront the world of less live service games existing.

Theodore is probably acting in bad faith. He's circumvents a lot of the points by drawing attention to things that don't have anything to do with them.

All of the Thor arguments stink of Corpo shill winy Apple fanboy complaining that the EU is going to force them to put USB type C on their iphones, many outside the EU complained and now even those outside the EU are enjoying having a new iphone with a proper standardise charger anyone can use, for those outside the EU you are welcome.

technically a lot of mmorpgs are just linear single player games anyway that just happen to have other players. its the end content like coop raid dungeons and pvp arenas that make the multuplayer aspect worthwhile. sandboxes in particular became popular because they inherently have all the best aspects of mmorpgs without the drawbacks of live service games.

The lack of knowledge from Thor about how laws are made, and the lack of research before talk about "how government works" its sad. Such a bad take.

>think this guy sounds a little peculiar >visit his twitch channel >it's a man in a dress discussing how good it is kids are using pronouns

Voting with your wallet does something. It factually does something. Do not dismiss that. The problem is the millions upon millions of human waste that fund the bad practices in the industry. We can't rely on govt. for everything.

Those stupid liars think we are all stupid. We had lan support before. That's why diablo 1, starcraft, quake, etc are all still playable today. If they are going to stop support a game, release the server code and let players continue to enjoy games. It's all greed.

The issue here is with copyright infringement. Especially popular AAA games will have communities that reverse engineer the game servers. But publishers can strike them down even after the game is no longer online.

I think he is arguing in bad faith. His arguments are obviously ridiculous, extreme cases going around the problem. The initiative isn't perfect, but we can focus on how to improve it, to make it practical instead.

Customers* stop killing CUSTOMERS* Consumers are treated like cash cows on the conveyor belt off to become a nice burger after the milk has dried up CUSTOMERS have agency and gets to stand up for themselves.

What is this guy even do? I didn't see any game worth naming after him

Thor being pro-always-online and pro-microtransactions the minute he develops that kind of game with ludwig is like how Grimes became pro-billionaire and pro-corporation the minute she started fucking Elon Musk. But of course Thor has 10-18-20 years of game development history depending on which month you ask (4 years scripting in second life and making furry avatar skins, a few years QA testing with his dad, a decade of early access development of a janky game maker game), has 3 Black Badges from the Defcon hacker convention (awarded to teams of 12 for solving puzzle challenges at the event and not for actual skills in hacking), and he spends 12 hours a day 6 days a week streaming video games for most of his career, so your opinion is jack shit.

Why do people care so much about what he thinks? He released one full game and have one in early access since 2018. His strength is not game development, his strength is streaming.

Thanks so much for making these. I love Thor and agree with most of his takes, but he just seems so ridiculously wrong and out-of-touch and sensitive on this subject, and is unwilling to even consider how such a move is necessary from a pro-consumer point of view.

stop using the word 'consumer'

"Funny" thing is... In some EU contries, all licences are "private property", so if you buy the game, you should never be left in a state where you can no longer download it (looking at playstation). Now, enabling for licence owners to play them is still not defined (sadly). Basicly, Playstation and Sony stole more than half of my library on PS3 and All the games I had on my Vita

This whole thing hurts my head. I don't understand how something so simple as not letting publishers revoke a customer's access to a product can be so severely misunderstood. It's just wild. Gamers have been getting the raw end of the stick for decades, and now that we finally got tired and decide to purse government action we're getting undermined; what a farce.

12:10 it's not even so much that I want the company to provide further support for their game despite the support ending. I want companies to be unable to stop owners of these games from repairing them themselves. There's countless games out there that people are able to bring back to life with no real cost to the company where that simply won't happen. Presumably because the companies may want to use those games in the future for a re-release or out of pure greed.

3:00 yeah we are dealing with the government. Specifically the EU government... That whole pitch he's reading, it's an initiative. Not even a proposed law bill. It has a word limit and serves only to showcase the basics of the proposition. It literally will be worked out down the line, that's the entire point of an initiative. We just have to sign and show that we care about what it has to talk about. Really bad take from Thor, not to mention he's just plain wrong about a lot of things in those videos, like LoL not being able to function client side.

He is explaining how the business operates because most people here are not developers, haven't worked at major software companies, or own a business. Many here think they know the answers even without any experience or knowledge. Stop acting like Andey-know-it-all because you aren't. Perhaps it's better for once to shut up and learn to listen, so you can understand what the consequences are and know what you are talking about.

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This is ridiculous. “Malicious intent.” “Deliberate misinterpretation.” Your sense of perspective is myopic if you truly believe that trying to get an EU law put in place in the way the “stop killing games” petition puts forth, won’t blow up in everyone’s faces. This is the stupidest viral non-event I’ve seen in a while. This petition is senseless from a development perspective, a corporate markets perspective, and a legal perspective. There is a way to protect people from bad gaming industry sales practice - this is NOT it.