Sense-Making in a Changing World
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Episode 136: Moral Imagination with Phoebe Tickell and Morag Gamble
Tune into this episode with Phoebe Tickell - an imagination activist and founder of Moral Imaginations, a group who is building a movement of moral imagining - to explore what it means to exercise and stretch your imagination in order to create new possibilities and new action. This episode is part of the recorded series from the International Permaculture Festival of Ideas, held in May 2024.
From the solar punk movement to radical kinship, Phoebe highlights how important it is that we realise that imagination is not what helps us escape reality, but what helps us return to reality by helping us remember what is right relationship with the planet and ourselves.
Learn more about Phoebe's work here and get involved with Moral Imaginations to continue stretching your imagination.
To find the recordings of conversations and events from the International Permaculture Festival of Ideas, visit the Permaculture Education Institute.
This podcast is an initiative of the Permaculture Education Institute.
Our way of sharing our love for this planet and for life, is by teaching permaculture teachers who are locally adapting this around the world - finding ways to apply the planet care ethics of earth care, people care and fair share. We host global conversations and learning communities on 6 continents.
We teach permaculture teachers, host permaculture courses, host Our Permaculture Life TH-cam, and offer free monthly film club and masterclass.
We broadcast from a solar powered studio in the midst of a permaculture ecovillage food forest on beautiful Gubbi Gubbi country.
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Episode 135: Ecologies of Communication with Nora Bateson and Morag Gamble
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In this episode, I welcome Nora Bateson - an eminent systems thinker, filmmaker, writer and President of the International Bateson Institute - to explore the complexities of our interconnected world with intergenerational insight and clarity. This episode is part of the recorded series from the International Festival of Ideas, held in May 2024. Nora's session was the final event in the Festival...
Episode 134: Non-Extractivist Learning with Lyla June Johnston and Morag Gamble
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In this episode, I welcome Dr Lyla June Johnston, a multi-genre Indigenous musician, scholar, and community organizer of Diné (Navajo), Tsétsêhéstâhese (Cheyenne) and European lineages to explore what it means to learn from Indigenous cultures in a non-extractivist way. This episode is part of the recorded series from the International Festival of Ideas, held in May 2024. Lyla's conversation is...
Episode 133: Radical Love with Satish Kumar and Morag Gamble
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In this episode, I welcome my dear friend and mentor, Satish Kumar. Satish is a world-renowned author and peace advocate, who has been speaking around the world and inspiring global change for over 50 years. This episode is part of the recorded series from the International Permaculture Festival of Ideas, held in May 2024. From what it means to hold radical love to inspiring active hope, Satish...
Episode 132: Slow Living with Keibo Oiwa and Morag Gamble
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In this episode, I welcome Keibo Oiwa, a leading environmental activist in Japan and founder of The Sloth Club - an NGO that promotes slow and sustainable living, encouraging a new appreciation of rural life and a simpler way of living, with community, growing and nature the focus. This episode is part of the recorded series from the International Festival of Ideas, held in May 2024. Keibo is a...
Episode 131: Edible Resilience Gardening with Kim Stoddart and Morag Gamble
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In this episode I welcome Kim Stoddart, an award-winning environmental journalist, speaker and leading authority on climate change resilient gardening. Kim and I have a in-depth conversation about how we can create more resilient (and beautiful) gardens. From mulching tricks to how we see gardening itself, we explore what role gardens can play as the climate continues to change. Kim is the edit...
Episode 130: Thrutopia with Manda Scott and Morag Gamble
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Join me in this conversation with renowned author, blogger, podcaster, columnist and broadcaster, Manda Scott. We explore the need for a conscious evolution of humanity through a narrative Manda calls 'Thrutopia' - a vision of the future that's worth striving for. From reconnecting to the web of life to the power of storytelling, Manda shares an exciting vision of systemic change that comes fro...
Episode 128: Music and Ecology with Amelie Ecology and Morag Gamble
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Hello, I'm Morag. Welcome to this episode of Sense-making in a Changing World podcast (permacultureeducationinstitute.org/podcast) - a project of the Permaculture Education Institute (permacultureeducationinstitute.org/permaculture-educators-program). This is a special episode as part of the International Permaculture Festival of Ideas (permacultureeducationinstitute.org/permaculture-festival-i...
Episode 127: Sacred Activism with Cynthia Jurs and Morag Gamble
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The most pressing question in these uncertain times may be how can we bring healing and protection to the Earth? Join me this episode the explore this question that Cynthia Jurs carried with her in 1990 as she climbed a path high in the Himalayas, to meet an “old wise man in a cave”-a venerated lama from Nepal. This question is the centre for both her work, her book, 'Summoned by the Earth', an...
Episode 126: A Permaculture Refugee Story with Ansima Casinga Rolande and Morag Gamble
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I'm delighted to welcome Ansima Casinga Rolande to this final episode of our International Women's Series. I've worked with Rolande for many years now and I can truly say that she is one of the most inspiring people I've ever met. Rolande is from the Democratic Republic of Congo and is living currently in Nakivale Refugee Settlement in Uganda. In this episode, she shares her story of how she ca...
Episode 125: Speaking Up for Women and Climate with Osprey Orielle Lake and Morag Gamble
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Join me in this episode as part of our International Womens' Series to explore how we can speak up for women and climate with Osprey Orielle Lake. Osprey is the founder of Women's Earth and Climate Action Network (WECAN) International, leading and inspiring a just transition towards a one-planet, democratised and resilient world. We discuss her new book, 'The Story is in Our Bones: How Worldvie...
Episode 124: Community Composting with Clytie Binder and Morag Gamble
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In this second International Women's Series conversation, Clytie Binder joins Morag Gamble in discussing her Churchill Fellowship research on composting and the hyperlocal systems she has observed around the world. Tune in to learn about the importance in 'handmade' composting wherever you are and how it is being used to address the climate crisis. Clare emphasises the need to prioritise househ...
Episode 123: Foraging, Nature and Permaculture with Helen Lehndorf and Morag Gamble
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Tune into this conversation as part of our International Women's Day Series with Morag Gamble and Helen Lehndorf as we share our deep relationship with nature - finding connection and empowerment in the edible landscape around us. We explore the practice of foraging and the concept of home as a sense of nourishment and connection with the land, discussing the journey of becoming ecologically co...
Episode 122: Earth & Soul with Leah Rampy and Morag Gamble
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Tune in for an exploration of sense-making with author, educator, and local government councillor, Leah Rampy. If you're looking for insight into what it means to live in a changing world, the importance of remembering your kinship with the Earth and how to apply this to your daily practices, listen in to this episode. As well representing her local county as a councillor and writing books, Lea...
Episode 121: Cleaning the Oceans with Ben Moody and Morag Gamble
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In this episode, I welcome Ben Moody to explore a systemic way of reversing plastic pollution - a young regenerative entrepreneur with a big vision to clean the seas. Through his innovative business, Seven Clean Seas, Ben has managed to remove over 2 million kilograms of plastic from the ocean by working with a number of countries in Asia, engaging with communities to create positive local empl...
Episode 120: Education as Permaculture with Rebecca Leek and Morag Gamble
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Episode 120: Education as Permaculture with Rebecca Leek and Morag Gamble
Episode 119: Redesigning Democracy with Dr Ruth Backstrom and Morag Gamble
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Episode 119: Redesigning Democracy with Dr Ruth Backstrom and Morag Gamble
Episode 118: Social Impact Strategies with Eric Ressler and Morag Gamble
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Episode 118: Social Impact Strategies with Eric Ressler and Morag Gamble
Episode 117: Permaculture Enterprises with Emily & Josh Prieto and Morag Gamble
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Episode 117: Permaculture Enterprises with Emily & Josh Prieto and Morag Gamble
Episode 116: Homeschool in the Garden with Lucy Legan and Morag Gamble
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Episode 116: Homeschool in the Garden with Lucy Legan and Morag Gamble
Episode 114: Radical Urban Permaculture with William Padilla-Brown and Morag Gamble
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Episode 114: Radical Urban Permaculture with William Padilla-Brown and Morag Gamble
Episode 113: Denver Urban Gardeners with Linda Appel Lipsius and Morag Gamble
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Episode 113: Denver Urban Gardeners with Linda Appel Lipsius and Morag Gamble
Episode 115: Permaculture Herstory with Robyn Francis and Morag Gamble
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Episode 115: Permaculture Herstory with Robyn Francis and Morag Gamble
Episode 112: Community Gardens with Naomi Lacey and Morag Gamble
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Episode 112: Community Gardens with Naomi Lacey and Morag Gamble
Episode 111: Grow it Local with Paul West and Morag Gamble
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Episode 111: Grow it Local with Paul West and Morag Gamble
Episode 110: Edible Garden City with Bjorn Low and Morag Gamble
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Episode 110: Edible Garden City with Bjorn Low and Morag Gamble
Episode 109: Wellbeing and the Planet with Christie Wilson and Morag Gamble
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Episode 109: Wellbeing and the Planet with Christie Wilson and Morag Gamble
Episode 108: Reading Landscape - In Loving Memory of Dan Palmer
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Episode 108: Reading Landscape - In Loving Memory of Dan Palmer
Episode 107: Permaculture Music with Charlie MGee and Morag Gamble
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Episode 107: Permaculture Music with Charlie MGee and Morag Gamble
Episode 106: Living with the Earth with Perrine Hervé-Gruyer and Morag Gamble
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Episode 106: Living with the Earth with Perrine Hervé-Gruyer and Morag Gamble

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  • @EmmaSolomano
    @EmmaSolomano 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I liked the overall message of this podcast, although I was put off straight away by the rationalisation of animal harm at the start of the episode. The idea that it is ok as long as we are grateful to the animal, and use every part of it. Regardless of what our ancestors did, if we have the choice not to harm animals now, we have a moral obligation to avoid that harm. I don’t think tradition or culture, indigenous or otherwise, is a good justification for causing unnecessary harm and suffering to others. She says they 'gave their life' but the truth is we take their lives, against their wishes. The vast majority of people no longer need to eat animal products to thrive, and to put across the killing of our 'animal relatives' as she puts it, as some sort of sacred or nice thing to do, was saddening and set the tone for the rest of the episode.

  • @EmmaSolomano
    @EmmaSolomano 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So glad I came across your podcast. I had briefly heard of Helen before but am glad I am now learning more about her. What a powerhouse of energy being put towards good things. It would have been nice to hear some more facts and stats about nuclear in a more structured way, but I suppose I'll have to read her books for that.

  • @iyibu01
    @iyibu01 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very interesting discussion really enjoyed listening to this. Thank you.

  • @dianahill5029
    @dianahill5029 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent interview about a clever way to revise our governing approach. Thank you!

  • @kathleenwhite241
    @kathleenwhite241 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So enlightening thank you

  • @ruthtaylor3496
    @ruthtaylor3496 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for a positive talk, much appreciated

  • @AdrienneJury
    @AdrienneJury 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im in the middle reading Helen's book A Foragers Life. Totalyl immersed in it, a real page turner and educational on each page! Thank you for an enjoyable interview.

  • @russellkrampe3440
    @russellkrampe3440 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How to fracture your village and seperate friends and families? Have the “grifter” Joel Orchard pounce on your village after a natural disaster. Have him dig his parasitic proboscis into your town’s affairs with no manners and no thought to anyone else except his own personal interests and agenda. Make sure he can get as many grants as possible so as to avoid any real work. Make sure he “love bombs” the vulnerable individuals in the community and won’t allow them to think for themselves so they effectively become his disciples and defend him at all cost (at the expense of their friends and family). Make sure the financial reports he delivers aren’t broken down into net, gross, C.O.G.S., overheads etc in a clear transparent manner. (A pie graph will suffice) Make sure if he sets up a charity that almost 50% of the grifted monies received go to “Staff Expenses”. Be sure that he has a self inflated opinion of himself that is above asking permission or what others may think of his schemes. And most importantly!!!! ( don’t forget this part folks😊) Be sure to have Joel censor, block and delete any questions or comments from the original inhabitants of the village in regards to transparency, accountability and financial policy. Because every good scammer knows that by being transparent you lose a solid part of your grift/business model. The model that relies on people never getting truly “better” from the natural disaster that occurred, because heaven forbid that happens and the government funding dries out. If this was to happen Joel may have to actually go and get a real job. And that silly notion seems to go against whatever the fabric is that he is cut from.

  • @1Lightdancer
    @1Lightdancer 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love this chat with Stephanie! So many harmonies in our stories - i was also a gal who Read-in-the-corner! And made kitchen cosmetics beginning in my teens. I got a couple of books by a Brit on making wine from fruit and veg in my 20s, whilst my (former) hubby was making beer (we even gleaned some hops from edges of the hop yards post harvest!) ... he is a botanist, (as was his mum who loved to 103) and taught me plant id and wild harvesting, and we gardened chemical free in raised beds .... I'm in Western Oregon, with a similar climate, and was tickled to find perennial kale seed (homesteaders kaleidoscope kale from Experimental Farm Network), chard and herbs also overwinter well here and we have a wonderful year round Farmers market where i source lamb, local walnuts and hazelnuts, and things I'm not growing or don't have enough of! I'm involved in an edible landscaping project, with 30 beds 4' across along a street in our old granery district, examples of what you can grow in small spaces - and are open for folks to harvest as they walk by! I tend a tea garden, with herbs and a tea camellia - and even the lemon Verbena came through our cold winter!

  • @karentruempy397
    @karentruempy397 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is a really amazing and interesting episode with ideas that people might not normally think about

  • @PeterTodd
    @PeterTodd 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Rolande is a shining light, thank you for giving her a platform to share her story - it was so inspiring

  • @jennistorytree4838
    @jennistorytree4838 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great conversation and lovely music, Morag.

  • @jennistorytree4838
    @jennistorytree4838 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is an important conversation. I find it very difficult to talk about my grief for Gaia, even with aware friends and even fellow activists sometimes, because meetings are outcomes focused. It still feels very taboo or a downer to mention it more than jokingly or fleetingly, and because it's so hard to talk about, it's hard to process and move forward. There are just a few safe avenues like Climate Cafes or workshops like The Work that Reconnects or ones by John Seed.

  • @lilypad999-i9v
    @lilypad999-i9v 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So black people can be Nazis too? Wow no shit

  • @voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885
    @voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    On the Beach was made into a movie - wasn't it?

  • @voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885
    @voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    James E. Hansen can't talk enough about how Nukes is going to save the planet. hahahaha. Pretty tragic.

  • @annab3952
    @annab3952 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🤩Wish I’d had this 20 years ago to give me the confidence to home/unschool. My daughter would come home and her answer was always “don’t want to talk about it”. She was happy there, but she didn’t want to think about school when she got home!

  • @lesleannhine6662
    @lesleannhine6662 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what an amazing human. I loved the part about being selfish, we are all connected thus by being selfish it is for all. Beautiful

    • @MoragGambleOurPermacultureLife
      @MoragGambleOurPermacultureLife 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It was indeed a wonderful pleasure to speak with William - and experience his refreshing perspective on the way of being useful in this world.

  • @careynazyeustt5841
    @careynazyeustt5841 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for your uplifting conversation. Permaculture is the future now! We all need to move to the lifestyles you describe, appreciating that Nature nurtures as well as giving us somethings to notice ,emulate and cocreate with. As fractals of Universal Intelligence we need to step up altogether to recreate a better world situation. I pray for us all to become aware of our spiritual selves ❤

  • @careynazyeustt5841
    @careynazyeustt5841 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This needs to happen❤

  • @silviavignoli2246
    @silviavignoli2246 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great talk, thank you

  • @HeatherNokes
    @HeatherNokes ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good, going back for a second listen!

  • @careynazyeustt5841
    @careynazyeustt5841 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks to both of you for this uplifting inclusive conversation. It needs to happen more around the world I pray ❤

  • @careynazyeustt5841
    @careynazyeustt5841 ปีที่แล้ว

  • @hop8394
    @hop8394 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for sharing, Andrew is doing tremendous work as a teacher and promoter of permaculture and ecological responsibility. Wishing everyone well! May your thumbs stay green friends!

  • @amydyer2404
    @amydyer2404 ปีที่แล้ว

    So awesome! And I get to work with his company, incredible, wonderful and kind people.

  • @HaumeaEcoversity
    @HaumeaEcoversity ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic insights from Della - thanks so much Morag.

  • @zoella79
    @zoella79 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great to hear from someone else who tends the forest by "editing!"

  • @hardypermaculture
    @hardypermaculture ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Morag! I really enjoyed doing this podcast with you. 🎉

  • @jano3157
    @jano3157 ปีที่แล้ว

    Steph is such an inspiration to me . I have so much admiration for her. Thank you Morag for a brilliant interview.

  • @lynmaunsell4062
    @lynmaunsell4062 ปีที่แล้ว

    A lovely conversation, thank you both. The Creative Kitchen is one of my favourite books on my shelf. 💜

  • @zoella79
    @zoella79 ปีที่แล้ว

    I want this book! The stories about how he learned to write, and how he wrote it - such beautiful process design❤

    • @SenseMakinginaChangingWorld
      @SenseMakinginaChangingWorld ปีที่แล้ว

      You can pre-order now I believe. I'm looking forward to seeing it soon too

    • @zoella79
      @zoella79 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SenseMakinginaChangingWorld already ordered!

  • @ruthtaylor3496
    @ruthtaylor3496 ปีที่แล้ว

    great interview thank you

  • @colbywilliams7595
    @colbywilliams7595 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the red glasses!

  • @LearnPermaculture
    @LearnPermaculture ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Morag, great to hear from Jasmine. :)

  • @claudiaknecht1315
    @claudiaknecht1315 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dear Morag, Thank you for sharing this wonderful talk with Graham Bell. I haven’t listen to him before. I suddenly realized that it has never occurred to me what being a teacher really means. I thought, that one can be a teacher when one knows something. But listening to Graham Bell just taught me that it is so much more… and that learning to be a teacher might be something that I would now consider doing. I am very sorry that his soul has left this life… and thankful that I had the opportunity to feel his personality and the energy of a teacher that I would like to be. I send you kind regards and much appreciation for your wonderful work and for being a good listener to all this inspiring people. Claudia

    • @permacultureeducationinsti5648
      @permacultureeducationinsti5648 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you so much Claudia for this beautiful reflection and recognition of Graham’s insights and sharing just a couple of months before he passed away.

    • @claudiaknecht1315
      @claudiaknecht1315 ปีที่แล้ว

      ❤️

  • @LearnPermaculture
    @LearnPermaculture ปีที่แล้ว

    Rest well, Graham. You've been an inspiration to me and so many others...

  • @claudiaknecht1315
    @claudiaknecht1315 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this interview. I actually have already listend to your podcast with Liz on Spotify 😊 I used to read a lot… as a kid and until I turned 40 but then stories seemed just to repeat itself…. and I switched to „how to do things books“ and now I read very little, but if I read it is fiction. If I come across a story and is well told… it always makes my day! So how do we tell different stories that reach people and create change or maybe only hope…. Recently I had the idea that actually there is only one way to solve all the problems in the world and that is if we as a society learn to live with each other in a peaceful and prosperous manner. And from that I realized too that if this had happend like say after the WWII we would not be struggling with climate change now or any other biodiversity issues…. or any other unsolvable problem for that matter. The reason for this would be that we have enough creative people on this planet to be able to solve any problem we currently face. We are occupied with fighting each other… and this starts with the first day we go to school! We learn that if we want something we have to take it away from somebody else, fight opposite opinions in order that our project will work… etc. it’s always being against something so that we are right. By doing that all our energy… or too much of it is lost. So I decided for myself, that I would stop reacting on what other do or don’t do and just keep on doing what I think is a good way of doing things. In short stop using other for the reason you think things are not going yr way. So the stories I would tell, are stories of people who do just that…. Successful without needing to point out how difficult everything is and how too many people are just not on the right pass…. Leading by example might sometimes be a lonely road… but it is a good one. So I am not into protesting…. I am into doing! And you Morag have been one of the people that helped me find my permaculture way and if I wouldn’t write this hear you would have never known. So therefore I am sure, that there are many more like me out there having had the opportunity to learn from you. Again… what stories do we want to tell? What do we want to inspire in people? Liz is a good example…that is why she is so loved and respected too. I am a happy reader of PM … I just bought Liz Z. ebook Grounded because of yr podcast…. and I am definitely looking forward to her next book! Take care and thanks again for all the good stuff you bring into this world. ❤

    • @SenseMakinginaChangingWorld
      @SenseMakinginaChangingWorld ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you Claudia . Lovely to hear from you and I love your reflective response and the direction of your writing and storytelling ideas🌳🌻🪲🌏

  • @PaulRayner
    @PaulRayner ปีที่แล้ว

    Couldn't find the links referenced in the discussion

  • @davidlockett5506
    @davidlockett5506 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Internet has over the past 30 years turned the world upside down, and what will come over the nenext few years from technoloģy will stagger us and will completely change society in ways that we cannot presently imagine. Are we ready for that, or will we allow the changez to overwhelm us?

  • @frankmcquade992
    @frankmcquade992 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great stuff, but of course you know not enough ppl will step up.

  • @Julie-qk9tp
    @Julie-qk9tp 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is the main message of this video saying that people power will overthrow the elites and governments of the world whose only objective is greed and money??

  • @timtam2126
    @timtam2126 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hohoho

  • @timtam2126
    @timtam2126 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great 👍 👌 thanks

  • @timtam2126
    @timtam2126 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great thx 👍 🙏

  • @timtam2126
    @timtam2126 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks

  • @timtam2126
    @timtam2126 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks great video

  • @timtam2126
    @timtam2126 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video.. Rupert is really on to something here. Thanks from New Zealand 🇳🇿 😊

  • @timtam2126
    @timtam2126 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is awesome 👌. ..I never really got Rupert Read until this video...he has matured his message...face the future and transform society together.

  • @hamidtohid6568
    @hamidtohid6568 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Future is another word for soul.