Doing a re-watch of GOT, minus the last season, and I just can't help but keep visiting this glorious scene. This conversation made Jaime my favorite character in the series. The one man who recognizes and calls out all the BS in the knight system and their "honor". (Hound too kinda) Sure he's flawed as hell, but he feels so real, and his roasts are glorious. It hurts knowing how Dumb and Dumber chucked his character development off a cliff....along with everything else.
The show was amazing then, but this scene in the books is even better. Instead of going to basically insult and insult Jaime, they play an honest questions and answers "game", she gives him information about the outside world and the war, while he confirms or not her suspicions about his doings.
This scene and the bath scene show that Jamie was always the same person- our perception of him as villain or hero is truly a matter of perspective. GRRM is a great writer to have pulled it off, to have created the character who is so consistent but so differently perceived. Coster-Waldo’s performance embodies the character beautifully . Still waiting for TWOW as of date of this comment- but I won’t be shocked if there is no “redemption arc” for Jamie in ASOIAF. I suspect we’ll continue to learn who he is and has always been.
Beautifully written and so true. Everyone thinks they're the good guys so they go to war with each other instead of talking things through. The whole story is a big misunderstanding. Robert doesnt want to be king, Cersei just wants her kids to flourish, Jamie is a cynic because his great sense of honor doesnt get any respect and Ned is the honorable idiot who rightly dies first. If Jamie would have gotten the respect from Ned that he deserved, if Ned wasnt the idiot who'd threaten Cersei without any real power, everything would be just fine.
Jaime mentions Jon here, precisely when he is being accused of not having honor for killing his king, and later this same Jon Snow does the same thing.
Jaime’s “What a King he was, here’s to Aerys Targaryen..” got me the first time and it still gets me today. First Moment in the show for me that Jaime becomes likeable, even for non-book readers watching you hear early and often of “The Mad King”, learning in season 1 that he burned Ned’s father and older brother officially starting Robert’s Rebellion, you can start to see through to the real way Jaime feels about the man he killed to earn his moniker
@@yesiam4610 the Starks by HotD Blacks logic they actually betrayed 3 Kings Aerys, Robert, And Joffrey Because they say that the King's word is Law (that's why Rhaenyra and her Strong boys are the Heirs not Aegon) so Ned should've just obeyed Aerys for whatever he did to his family (because he is the King) and never change Robert's will and never accuse the queen of adultery so he can give the throne to Stannis instead of the King's chosen heir "Joffrey", yet they have so much to say about Jaime It's crazy, they turned out to be the biggest traitors according to HotD's narrative
Ned Stark WAS a man of honor. He did not "f***" another woman but Catelyn. Jon Snow was his NEPHEW from Lyanna. He IS a bastard but not OF NED. Ned Stark was NURTURING the TRUE HEIR to the Iron Throne. But I guess you didn't know, Jaime. Because you were too stupid to connect the dots. Like Robert Barratheon. If you did know, no way in hell that you would spare him. You would've killed Jon Snow (or should I say Aegon Targaryen) even if that meant looking for him at the jaws of hell.
"But I guess you didn't know, Jaime. Because you were too stupid to connect the dots." Name one character in season 2 who knew about Jon's lineage, just one. Ned took that secret to his grave and nobody knew back then like tf is that comment, try again
Everyone mentions Jaimies gallows humor about Brienne, but no one ever talks about how he cut to the heart of Catelyns own guilt for hating jon and therefor Ned. How her own guilt racked her with grief
Both Ned and Jamie are mirrors, honourable men, honourable not to the vows but to justice. It’s just that Ned is that in complete from inside out while Jamie deludes his honour with his pride, so you have the Bran episode, incest etc. This is the breaking point of his pride and start of his character arc.
I agree but oath-breaking is still considered a massive taboo in this universe despite any circumstance and it’s also the manner in which he killed him that is seen as dishonorable for their society (behind his back). In addition, no one knows about Aerys’s plan to destroy King’s Landing and its population with wildfire since he doesn’t tell anyone so they believe Jaime waited until he had the protection of his father’s army before acting against him.
Doing a re-watch of GOT, minus the last season, and I just can't help but keep visiting this glorious scene. This conversation made Jaime my favorite character in the series. The one man who recognizes and calls out all the BS in the knight system and their "honor". (Hound too kinda) Sure he's flawed as hell, but he feels so real, and his roasts are glorious. It hurts knowing how Dumb and Dumber chucked his character development off a cliff....along with everything else.
SO DAMN GOOD WRITING GOD I HATE SO MUCH THOSE PRODUCERS THAT RUINED THE SERIES
The show was amazing then, but this scene in the books is even better. Instead of going to basically insult and insult Jaime, they play an honest questions and answers "game", she gives him information about the outside world and the war, while he confirms or not her suspicions about his doings.
"Where did you find this beast" 😂😂😂😂😂
This scene and the bath scene show that Jamie was always the same person- our perception of him as villain or hero is truly a matter of perspective. GRRM is a great writer to have pulled it off, to have created the character who is so consistent but so differently perceived. Coster-Waldo’s performance embodies the character beautifully . Still waiting for TWOW as of date of this comment- but I won’t be shocked if there is no “redemption arc” for Jamie in ASOIAF. I suspect we’ll continue to learn who he is and has always been.
To me, Catelyn Stark has no honor as well because of how she treated Jon Snow.
This dialogue is straight from the books. That’s why it’s amazing
You can see james get more angry every time cat calls him kingslayer or oath breaker He snaps and cuts her deep with Jon
Having read the books, it feels strange hearing show-Jaime speak words his book counterpart said while drunk.
2:50😂
Jaime and Brienne meet cute.
God i love Jaime
Beautifully written and so true. Everyone thinks they're the good guys so they go to war with each other instead of talking things through. The whole story is a big misunderstanding. Robert doesnt want to be king, Cersei just wants her kids to flourish, Jamie is a cynic because his great sense of honor doesnt get any respect and Ned is the honorable idiot who rightly dies first. If Jamie would have gotten the respect from Ned that he deserved, if Ned wasnt the idiot who'd threaten Cersei without any real power, everything would be just fine.
"Is that a women"🤣🤣🤣
FUUUUUUUUUCK WHY DIDNT WE GET LADY STONEHEART!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK
God, I absolutely LOVE Jaime's attitude during this whole exchange.
1:35 he’s been trying to tell everyone all along what a ridiculous position he was put in and supposed to obey a madman
"In my own way I had more honor than poor old dead Ned." Lmao actually no you are still a dirt bag in that regard too.
I couldn’t find this conversation in the books. Does it exist?
I don't think so. In the books if I remember they talk in Riverrun but the dialogue is different.
I’ve never hated a character as much as Jamie Lannister
Jamie’s conversation with Cait reminds me of Cartman talks to the nanny in South Park lol
1:24 Why was an heir to a prominent house guarding a cage alone?
Jaime fucking Lannister!
So here he confessed that he has relationship with Cersei! Why did she not take that further?
Jaime mentions Jon here, precisely when he is being accused of not having honor for killing his king, and later this same Jon Snow does the same thing.
I wonder if Jamie thought on this conversation after he found out about Jon's true heritage
I have never hated Cat so much......
Gods the acting and the script was so strong back in the day
This scene is a perfect example of how you can win an argument and still be very wrong in everything you said 😂
I love how the only person Jaime couldn’t troll from the main characters was Eddard. Ned shut him down completely when they met in Kings Landing 😂
"Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer."
Welcome to nihilism 😂
I Loved Jamie Lannister during the time he was trapped his wit was so on point 😂. By the way he had best growth
What is the musics name starting at 2:45 if anyone knows?
Everybody hated Jamie for killing the mad king because they didnt have the guts to do it themselves, even when they knew he got it coming.
Jaime’s “What a King he was, here’s to Aerys Targaryen..” got me the first time and it still gets me today. First Moment in the show for me that Jaime becomes likeable, even for non-book readers watching you hear early and often of “The Mad King”, learning in season 1 that he burned Ned’s father and older brother officially starting Robert’s Rebellion, you can start to see through to the real way Jaime feels about the man he killed to earn his moniker
@@yesiam4610 the Starks by HotD Blacks logic they actually betrayed 3 Kings Aerys, Robert, And Joffrey Because they say that the King's word is Law (that's why Rhaenyra and her Strong boys are the Heirs not Aegon) so Ned should've just obeyed Aerys for whatever he did to his family (because he is the King) and never change Robert's will and never accuse the queen of adultery so he can give the throne to Stannis instead of the King's chosen heir "Joffrey", yet they have so much to say about Jaime It's crazy, they turned out to be the biggest traitors according to HotD's narrative
Jaime fucking a whore is still better than fucking your own sister.
Man… here’s to a time when the cast and crew had some good material to work with.
Among the biggest tragedies in the show is Catelyn dying believing Ned fathered a bastard.
Jaime tried to live ethically in an irrational world that champions duty over ethics
How lol? Dude’s broke every moral law known to man the entire show 😂
@@mohamedalahmadani5174 because he killed a king who was going to blow up an entire city?!?
@@TheRealHerbaSchmurba Incest, killing a cousin, nearly killing and crippling a child. Very ethical lol
Even in chains Jamie was a Badass mf
Imagine Jon ruling in the king's landing and Jamie his kingsguard. 😅
Ned Stark WAS a man of honor. He did not "f***" another woman but Catelyn. Jon Snow was his NEPHEW from Lyanna. He IS a bastard but not OF NED. Ned Stark was NURTURING the TRUE HEIR to the Iron Throne. But I guess you didn't know, Jaime. Because you were too stupid to connect the dots. Like Robert Barratheon. If you did know, no way in hell that you would spare him. You would've killed Jon Snow (or should I say Aegon Targaryen) even if that meant looking for him at the jaws of hell.
But actually catelyn hated jon exactly for the reasons Jaime tells her, she made jon's life miserabile in winterfell
"But I guess you didn't know, Jaime. Because you were too stupid to connect the dots." Name one character in season 2 who knew about Jon's lineage, just one. Ned took that secret to his grave and nobody knew back then like tf is that comment, try again
Anyone know what soundtrack is that? 2:44
Jaime and Tyrion roasted the Starks in every argument they had on the show
Everyone mentions Jaimies gallows humor about Brienne, but no one ever talks about how he cut to the heart of Catelyns own guilt for hating jon and therefor Ned. How her own guilt racked her with grief
Both Ned and Jamie are mirrors, honourable men, honourable not to the vows but to justice. It’s just that Ned is that in complete from inside out while Jamie deludes his honour with his pride, so you have the Bran episode, incest etc. This is the breaking point of his pride and start of his character arc.
honestly: bit of a dick here, but not a false word out of his mouth...
Was he trying to convince her to unalive him before the soldiers could get to him???
"ah.. where did you find this beast?!" 💀
Never understood How he got so much hate for doing the obvious. Was he just supposed to let the mad king live?
I agree but oath-breaking is still considered a massive taboo in this universe despite any circumstance and it’s also the manner in which he killed him that is seen as dishonorable for their society (behind his back). In addition, no one knows about Aerys’s plan to destroy King’s Landing and its population with wildfire since he doesn’t tell anyone so they believe Jaime waited until he had the protection of his father’s army before acting against him.
@gee2541 "you served him well, when serving was safe"