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Everything You NEED To Know About Luna | Support & Dps Builds | The First Descendant
Today ill be covering everything you need to know about Luna in The First Descendant, like how to build her as well as how to play her.
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0:00 - Intro
0:42 - Abilities
3:03 - Build 1 (Full Support)
5:40 - Build 2 (Support/Dps)
6:44 - Build 3 (Dps)
7:48 - Weapons
10:05 - Reactor
10:31 - External Components
12:01 - How To Play Luna (Support)
13:42 - How To Play Luna (Dps)
15:47 - Outro
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  • @yoanbousquet4704
    @yoanbousquet4704 หลายเดือนก่อน

    She needs rework asap. This is not dance dance revolution ffs!

  • @havic6802
    @havic6802 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you!

  • @NightBlade117
    @NightBlade117 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im still confused about you using Tech Master over Singular Master for the support build. Arent her 2, 3, and 4 abilities singular and youll be spending the most time in those then you would non buffing base (her 1 ability)

    • @prathia8699
      @prathia8699 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If I'm remembering properly, the only skill that scales off of skill power is her 1 so tech is the only scaling that's really useful.

  • @NightBlade117
    @NightBlade117 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think people undermine Luna's support capabilities and even her noise surge AoE build. It's sad to me but also I'm okay with it because maybe eventually Nexon will buff her even though in my opinion she probably doesn't need one. There are many pros to using Luna over Bunny for AoE damage, and boosting skill crit rate (while niche in colossus fights) can make a barely built skill decendant (like Hailey or Lepic) broken enough to wipe the boss.

    • @NightBlade117
      @NightBlade117 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Pros to Luna's AoE over Bunny: Ability to cover more area and total number of enemies (compared to Ultimate Bunnies using high voltage 【which is morlst of them】 which from what I've seen only proc to about 4 to 5 enemies at a time per 0.75 second interval if using SoL. Able to stay stationary behind cover and still damage enemies, making it easier to take down the tougher enemies with higher health pools without being in danger of going down. Cons to using Luna AoE over Bunny: Slower in Operation missions in general Bunny does crazy high crit damage with crazy high crit rate per proc with no effort *side note: in my honest opinion, general farming in my experience (such as for kuiper and gold) is on the same level and both are very viable just with their own things to keep in mind that I mentioned.

  • @partydeer1640
    @partydeer1640 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Props to Nexon for somehow managing to make a music-based support extremely unfun to play

    • @cloudstrife9188
      @cloudstrife9188 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think that's just a preference man, I find her quite fun

  • @areoblast
    @areoblast 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Banger Guide for real! Keep it up

  • @jonathandias7006
    @jonathandias7006 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Best luna support build, i ever seen

  • @ExactShoot117
    @ExactShoot117 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi!! amazing video, just a little question, are you Updating the DPS build? just curious, taking in mind the update and how it lets you change socket tipes freely, if not, do you have mod change recommendations in mind?

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i’ll be honest i haven’t played in about 2 weeks i’ll probably be remaking a few builds soon tho just gotta get a few more ccs to make a updated build video for everyone

  • @Jayeeyee
    @Jayeeyee 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You can still get the infinite ammo loop even at a 0.1s cooldown offset. Just spam the 3rd skill key/button.

  • @michaelsaritelli
    @michaelsaritelli 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This video needs way more likes. Thank you for posting this.

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i appreciate it 🙏🏽 thank you for supporting me

  • @commando0110
    @commando0110 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    yeah im gona use noise surge on normal difficulty for fun and when it gets real ima have a support build

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      that’s probably the best way to use the two builds

  • @KitsuneSloth
    @KitsuneSloth 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    oh finally it here guide! finally done build ultimate bunny/gley lol then build luna now! cant wait lol

  • @Zachbot20
    @Zachbot20 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi, question. You mention around the 4:45 mark that you're "0.6 off the max" of 24m for her buffs. The tooltip on her abilities says her range should be buffable to 250%, which would be 28m, no? Why doesn't this work? Is this a bug? Edit: I found an answer to the above issue on the official discord, the math for how range is calculated does not work the way I thought it did, nor is "max expandable range" properly explained in game. Also I really only feel you need enough +Magazine size on her guns to get to ~45 bullets, as when you pop a song, you +10 anyways. This can be done with only 1 mag size mod.

  • @mythic2076
    @mythic2076 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Will you be live today? I saw you weren’t on for four days. Probably working on this video.

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lol yea today fs ill be live

  • @jokingsemi
    @jokingsemi 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow actually helpful guide and good builds, hope you blow up and get more attention

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      tysm for u kind words. i hope i blow up too lol, look forward to ur continuous support

  • @CarySmith87
    @CarySmith87 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just got Luna unlocked, only to realize I had accidentally used my only copy of Noise Surge in module combining. Had to go run executioner ragged until he dropped me one lol nice guide. Definitely excited to try her out.

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      rip the noise surge atleast u don’t have to fight gluttony for it anymore

    • @deviousclaymore
      @deviousclaymore 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How does it even drop ? Ive been fighting executioner on hard for so long with luna and still no noise surge

    • @wxbr3201
      @wxbr3201 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@deviousclaymoreits rng based unfortunately. U proly didnt hit the chance for it to drop😭

    • @deviousclaymore
      @deviousclaymore 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@wxbr3201 darn :((

  • @Ccubed92
    @Ccubed92 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    She is definitely a niche character that will never be on top with how much of a chore her kit is

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      she do be getting jiggy tho

  • @Nazrin-OP
    @Nazrin-OP 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pretty sure she only reaches 20m in range and the tool tip lies when it says 24m or so. 250% max means you only need 150% from mods as 100% is base. You can confirm it in the shooting range place. each square should be 10m, Tried it out with a friend in the field to see if the visual was just shorter than the effect but it seemed to line up with 20m. So I can assure you using 1 skill expansion is the right choice. as the 100% from the class mod is only going to give you the last 56%. But you can also use the mod that gives 50% range and reach cap using the class mod if you're confident in yourself. Edit: that said i think you are 16% over cap on your dps build. and can probably not use frugal mindset as you get 50% of your MP back when you enhance a skill using noise surge.

  • @iand3402
    @iand3402 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Too many things going on at once and not enough benefit to justify running her over someone else like Yujin or Enzo or Bunny

    • @mythic2076
      @mythic2076 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Could you just say too hard for me 😂

    • @iand3402
      @iand3402 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @mythic2076 because that's not true. I've played her, built her, rebuilt her, tried again. She's not worth all the button inputs. Like I said, bunny, Enzo, and yujin do the same thing with less work, so pass on Luna for now.

    • @seazonss1
      @seazonss1 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@iand3402”guys i can’t multi task i just can’t do 2 things at once”

    • @iand3402
      @iand3402 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @seazonss9960 Again, see above comment. "Guys I can't read, so I'll still leave my 2 cents anyway"

    • @adudeinashirt7590
      @adudeinashirt7590 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@seazonss1I’m reading that as like, would you rather hit 30 buttons most people only need to press/hold down 1 and get the same result. It’s not harder, just busier.

  • @giggitygooquag
    @giggitygooquag 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dont know if its a bug or not but when i used noise surge on her, using a singular modifier mod on her still resulted in a negative multiplier(using max range). As soon as i put on technician the modifier went green even though the singular modifier mod was higher than technicians. Could be a bug or maybe its just not being reflected in the skill window

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      it’s not really a bug i guess, it’s similar to how some weapon mods don’t show up in the dps calculation it’s the same with category mods for some reason but the damage u get using them will be higher

  • @currupt1154
    @currupt1154 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One thing you should know about her noise surge mod, is all 3 of her buffs you get from using all 3 of her sigular skills can be maintained simultaneously, buffing her damage by about 30%, its not easy but if you keep the stacks up and switch songs before each buff runs out you can maintain all 3 of her buffs at max stacks. (I really wish this part of her kit was affected by duration because it really is difficult to maintain all of the stacks)

  • @TuanAnh-cw7ms
    @TuanAnh-cw7ms 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi, do you know whether her Exciting buff critical hit rate is flat like Valby Supply Moisture or it is additive to the bucket of other allies?

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      im pretty sure it adds 35% crit so if u we’re at 5% before you’ll now be at 40% this also gets affected by the mods the person ur buffing has on so it’s possible to get really close to 100% skill crit rate if the person ur buffing is using 3 crit mods

    • @TuanAnh-cw7ms
      @TuanAnh-cw7ms 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ExtraMirr Cool! thanks for the info, definitely building Luna now for my Skill Power team

  • @gamingwithwolves5615
    @gamingwithwolves5615 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My question is why passionate Sponsor when it only triggeres once members are buffed and your stage presence is turned off....unless it's been fixed but idk think till it is its kinda meh mod. Another thing is that weapon passives such as Divine punishment buffs WILL NOT trigger while stage presence is active but if allies are buffed and u turn it off it will then count and actovate....hope they fix that soon.

    • @RhizonXXVII
      @RhizonXXVII 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Passionate sponsor is activated when you buff allies. It gives 75% skill power modifier AND firearm atk %. So it buffs both your unique weapon damage if tou stay in that the entire time, and your gun damage for a minimum of 15 seconds if you don't mod duration.

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      rhizon reply is pretty much what i was going to say as long as ur buffing allies u’ll get a benefit and yea no unique weapon gains the legendary weapons passive effects i mentioned the divine punishment bc the only time u really use ur weapons on luna is when the boss becomes immune during that stage u can become a bit tankier to face tank the dmg while u break the weak points.

    • @RhizonXXVII
      @RhizonXXVII 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ExtraMirr Damn dude... Really? I just finished grinding all 5 divine punishments for her (and Yujin) and now you guys are telling me it doesn't work with her unique weapon out? 😞 First she couldn't get weapon XP with her unique pistol out, and now this? Bro... I might need to make a reddit post...

  • @Squash87
    @Squash87 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Honestly the best build video I've seen you described everything to help us out, in other build videos from other channels its hard to get a screenshot but you waited that was really good change to see

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      glad to hear it helped u out 🫡

  • @FGCReplays101
    @FGCReplays101 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Another W video

  • @gamingimmortal5603
    @gamingimmortal5603 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    nice i just got her maxed the other day really good damage for farming etc

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      luna supremacy 🫡

  • @IdiawesKara
    @IdiawesKara 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    do you like her play style? do you think it need a rework on her kit?

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i personally enjoy her kit, i think she needs some kinda of quality of life change for controller tho from everyone i’ve talked to playing her on controller she seems hard for some reason i mainly play on keyboard so i can’t really echo the sentiment

    • @Finesse0916
      @Finesse0916 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Luna needs a rework she has become unpopular in the early stage of season 1 due to the mini game in her kit, that Majority players don't like it, and very few enjoy it, plus she can't keep up with bunny and freyna because they kill everything fast and Luna is punish for missing notes to gain AOE with her Noise surge. A Luna leaves dungeons because her competition is bunny or freyna. I think it's best to remove the mini game and allow her to shoot freely while dancing and buffing herself, and her group and Luna need consistent AOE like Bunny, etc, without the Unnecessary spamming abilities.

    • @IdiawesKara
      @IdiawesKara หลายเดือนก่อน

      her kit is hard to play, but isn't exactly flawed, you can argue that it won't let you use guns, but most characters aren't designed with using guns

  • @templargfx
    @templargfx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    nice to see someone who actually knows how to build her lol. most guides have building into cooldown on her support side. I went all in on Max MP on my build so I have 631 Max MP at base, which is boosted to 879 Max MP with Arche Concretion. That makes her Exciting Act buff give just under 30% Skill Power (not enhanced) and 6 MP per second for Relaxing Act which I find are large enough buffs that getting into your enhanced versions are no longer your only way to be 'useful' One thing to note, duration I find to be pretty important, especially for the enhanced abilities. Duration increases the length of the song, so when you pop an enhanced skill, your allies who stay in the circle will get 8.3 seconds of the enhanced version without it counting down, and then when it runs out, their counter will start going down giving them another 8.3 seconds with that buff for a total of 16.6 seconds of the enhanced buff

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i never even considered that so i guess the gluttony set really does give a huge benefit on luna. im curious what did u swap out to get more duration?

    • @templargfx
      @templargfx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ExtraMirr Ive got Skill Extension, MP Accelerant and a Skill Duration UP on my reactor. I went all in on the buffs so I only have 1 skill damage module on my setup. Ive yet to get that set from Gluttony but Im not sure if Id use it anyway, the survivability I get from having non set golds is just so nice. Ive got 11K DEF and 20K HP so that I can stand anywhere and dance like a mad man without dying :P If I need to do damage (say with a team thats not really skill focused) I just pull out my Enduring Legacy. Also as a bonus because skill power is mostly irrelevant getting a crazy good reactor is much easier on Luna as only the options really count

    • @Zachbot20
      @Zachbot20 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi, sorry but unless I'm misunderstanding something, the part of your comment about duration extending her songs is just flat out wrong. Songs last ~15 seconds before Luna returns to her "idle" song (the green one) if no buttons are hit, the buff she gives herself during her songs lasts just as long as the song does. Applying every single duration mod in the game that I can gave a total of 85.3% bonus duration (bonus duration also isn't reflected on her skill tool tips), but when I timed it, her song was still ~15 seconds where it should have been closer to ~26 seconds. You /are/ right that duration increases the length of her buff when an ally leaves her circle, but that's still about ~8 seconds of buff (vs the original of 5, so a net 3 seconds before the buff falls off) not 16.6 seconds as there's no "added time" from your song being "longer". If i'm misunderstanding something, please clarify.

  • @Bigbango33
    @Bigbango33 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes sir good content

  • @ExtraMirr
    @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Updated Video Is Out : th-cam.com/video/QRUgKvh2mgY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=S23Oc-L0pLQFadLr

  • @abdelben76360
    @abdelben76360 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    instead of stim accelerant you should use investement module to overcome the duration

  • @xfrail
    @xfrail 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Kinda confused on the lethal infection not procing on initial cast - does that mean id have to cast once go through enemies & not fire my gun but instead hit my ability again phase through enemies again and then fire to actually utilize the mods benefits?

    • @xfrail
      @xfrail 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      and side note - for lethal infection and/or decimator , when were talking stacks , is the % increasing with each stack or the duration?

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      so what u want to do it’s cast one of ur abilities so that they can be debuffed then u shoot that enemy to get ur stacks and the next time u use a ability the damage u gain from lethal will be there but the ability u used to apply the debuff won’t gain the extra damage. u could also use decimator instead of lethal

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      with each stack

  • @inoras4664
    @inoras4664 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How are yall started at 10 seconds camo? My default is 6 seconds and I'm running everything and only goes up to 8 seconds.

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      if ur using the "overcharged edge" transcendent mod it halfs ur duration other than that idk. im pretty sure i talked ab it in the video

  • @barredbird2453
    @barredbird2453 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks my sharen is trash i might invest into her now

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@barredbird2453 hope it helps 🫡

  • @ClairePèchès
    @ClairePèchès 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yo can u do a Farm xp and Kupier/Gold video?

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      yea sure i’ll try to get on that

  • @gamingimmortal5603
    @gamingimmortal5603 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    im also starting to do a afterglow build for her one shots any outpost boss super quick

  • @gamingimmortal5603
    @gamingimmortal5603 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i got enzo today because of how fast i was doing these outposts

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      glad to hear it fam im ab to reupload the video i had to fix a error in it

  • @gamingimmortal5603
    @gamingimmortal5603 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    yo good video my guy im checking out some of the setups right now i need more amorphius anyway

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      tyty lmk what u think of the builds

    • @gamingimmortal5603
      @gamingimmortal5603 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ExtraMirr i think its great im still trying to level the low end build but either way 2 mill headshot on the outpost boss really good and fast

  • @ExtraMirr
    @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I also forgot to mention instead of lethal infection u can also use decimator.

  • @JaxxedGaming
    @JaxxedGaming 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Valby Water Supply Crit values With Blue Beatle: 1 Blue Crit mod and no Crit Reactor. 10.77% -> 61.35% With Blue Beatle: 1 Purple Crit mod and prefect Crit Reactor (CR + CD) and 2-P Battle Aesthetics Set 10.77% -> 61.35% Without Blue Beatle: 1 Blue Crit mod and prefect Crit Reactor (CR + CD) 12.41% -> 62.05% With Blue Beatle: 1 Blue Crit mod and no Crit Reactor, and 2-P Battle Aesthetics Set 11.67% -> 65.85% Without Blue Beatle: 1 Blue Crit mod and prefect Crit Reactor (CR + CD) and 2-P Battle Aesthetics Set 13.31% -> 66.55% With Blue Beetle: 1 Blue Crit mod and prefect Crit Reactor (CR + CD) and 2-P Battle Aesthetics Set 13.31% -> 74.05% Without Blue Beetle: 4 Crit mods and no Crit Reactor. 15.385% -> 76.925% Without Blue Beetle: 4 Crit mods and no Crit Reactor and 2-P Battle Aesthetics Set 16.285% -> 81.425% Without Blue Beetle: 4 Crit Mods and prefect Crit Reactor (CR + CD) and 2-P Battle Aesthetics Set 17.925% -> 89.625% With Blue Beetle: 4 Crit mods and prefect Crit Reactor (CR + CD). 17.025 -> 92.625% (Also CD 4x -> 4.413x from perfect CD Reactor) With Blue Beetle: 4 Crit mods and prefect Crit Reactor (CR + CD) and 2-P Battle Aesthetics Set 17.925 -> 97.125% (Also CD 4x -> 4.413x from perfect CD Reactor)

  • @mer1in20
    @mer1in20 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How are your trans mods at level 6 and not 16?

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the more u upgrade them the less they cost

  • @manikanta3977
    @manikanta3977 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi mirr Same gley build used as you last gley build video but using thunder cage how you people enable maximize lethal and lethal finish pls help

  • @manikanta3977
    @manikanta3977 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Same gley build but using thunder cage how you people enable maximize lethal and lethal finish pls help

    • @manikanta3977
      @manikanta3977 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ??

    • @manikanta3977
      @manikanta3977 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      When you are using 3 rd ability your able to get maximum lethal but m not getting even same build

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      mb i thought i replied, as long as the weapon ur have in hand is the thundercage it should trigger the effect of lethal when u shoot with masacre

  • @hariimau9264
    @hariimau9264 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    hello, iron defense is best option? or shield conversion/spear and shield better?

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      in this case it is in certain cases spear and shield is better you kinda have to test each time to find out from what i can tell if the modifiers are low boosting it up does more than gaining more skill power.

  • @zackwise9608
    @zackwise9608 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    im using ur build and for some reason im not getting all the extra damage numbers ur getting, when you're shooting theres wayy more numbers on the screen then when im using mine

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      it’s probably just the ui settings i have all the different dmg numbers turned on for testing.

  • @anonvoila4883
    @anonvoila4883 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for sharing this build. It's refreshing to see a complete and authentic Valby main, rather than just quick content for views. I look forward to seeing more of your posts. Also, I have a question: what about the divine punishment? Isn't it really good with the buffs?

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ofc i only want to drop quality content 🙏🏽 and i look forward to ur continued support, as far as any weapon i think it this build it allows valby to be a weapons platform so as long as the weapon is decent she should buff it to being great.

  • @DimsdaledimiDank
    @DimsdaledimiDank 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So would this work with spiral ?

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      is that a weapon?

    • @DimsdaledimiDank
      @DimsdaledimiDank 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ExtraMirr no her transcendent mode spiral tidal wave

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      oh i wouldnt recommend it i don’t think it’s that good of a mod but u can use it u would need to switch up the build to maybe give u more cooldown but you’ll lose dmg and your weapons won’t be getting buffed

  • @lov.2.g
    @lov.2.g 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The defensive minus shield ( 166% is pretty much a better option tbh for this build instead of iron defence )...and for the reactor would be much better to get a stats on attack on collosus with cool down / duration up

  • @cikembra2389
    @cikembra2389 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like python for dot valby to buff the dots and higher single target damage and supply moisture lets you crit with python

    • @ExtraMirr
      @ExtraMirr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i forgot the python allows non attribute characters to do more dmg that’s a good shout.