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Love Maven. This is the first conversation I have heard recent about electing tubal ligation. I am 69 and when in my 20's doctors were against doing this unless you already had a child.

Another great discussion with a brilliant and insightful guest! Way to go, Joe!

more power to you you crazy exmos ! 😁🤘

Unfortunately a large chunk of my female Catholic relatives actually WANT men in position of power to control women’s reproductive health. In their mind abortion elimination is the major reason they all voted for Trump. Voting for Harris was voting for the baby killer party.

Lol how did this goofy shiz end up in my algo? You both give off smelly, perpetually online vibes.

I appreciated this fascinating conversation.

I can stand hearing Maven talk about women's concerns because she's actually trying to balance things out and convince. My ex wife on the other hand when she started trying to be feminist I couldn't stand her talking about. Funny thing is that my ex wife and maven are friends 😂. But I have a huge difference in respect for maven than I do for my ex wife.

Thank you for having Maven on. I love Maven.

This is a topic I've been struggling with for years and it was finally coming to a head with medical bills this month. If I were more than substitious, I'd think our friend was inspired. Money is a sore spot with me for sure and I appreciate this sermon a lot.

There are worse kinds of betrayal than infidelity

Thank god for the science fiction I read at a formative age!!! (9-13yo) It helped me keep from falling for any religious nonsense.

Great job!!!

I just wanted to say I loved the sermon and it especially hit home with the idea of cheerful giving and resenting it from a place of scarcity. As an ex Jehovah’s Witness they actively discouraged me from seeking higher education to support my 4 year old son through we were barely making it. I left the church and religion and got my RN and my son and I lived so much better. I have retirement savings and my son graduated from college and has a family of his own now. But if I’d listened to them we’d probably still be living in subsidized housing and on food stamps because money is the root of all evil right? Later I realized all the church elders owned their own businesses or were quite rich telling me to stay poor. The audacity. The unmitigated gall. Later I also realized that they were hoping I would wed one of the older men in the Kingdom Hall and it’s easier to arrange if you have a broke desperate 18 year old single mom.

Very interested in this movement and will be following it closely! Writing hymns after leaving the church has been cathartic and i'm glad to see i'm not alone in that ritual. From one Exmo-Joe to another, Reason's Greetings.

Love this so much! Left a narcissist Mormon man and when I did my son has come out as trans. We all support him!

Ra-men!

Did an awesome job

Sorry I missed the live.

Question for you. Do you recognize more Progressive Christian Churches are dying? If you agree with this premise. Have you studied why they are dying? In order for this church to work I think you need to articulate why progressive Christian churches are dying and what are you going to do differently with the church of Korihor

Nice

Mine would include a tattoo. 😂

I am going to be thinking of this for awhile!! I agree we need divorce ceremonies for sure.

Loving the Vader sweater. I am a huge Star Wars geek. Check out my May the 4th be with You video

Religions demonize divorce, but everyone I know who has divorced has ended up happy afterwards

So true

I think you should have a bunch of rituals. I mean we don't have coming of age rituals much less coming out rituals. I think some christening type rituals. I would recommend looking to lots of cultures and fill out a very inclusive list of rituals 😊 for people of all backgrounds just make sure you don't have to do all of them as a luminary.

Make lessons to teach safe relations, even seminars. I got The Miracle of Forgiveness due to when I dated my first wife.

Loved it thanks 😊

For myth why not tell mythologies from history and multiple backgrounds. Why not tell and dissect them while finding the precepts in them that build people up.

Yes!! I run exmormon divorcees on fb and the number of times I have been called horrible names for shutting down Exmormon men for redpill 💩 would shock people

My boyfriend has a Diogenes Tattoo

Joe your Capri Sun rocks

45:21 How fascinating! I suspect my mom is a covert narcissist. It would be interesting to see if she could make any kind of tangible progress in healing her in her child. I don't even know what that would look like

Britt had some really good insights towards the end of the discussion where she laid out the need for a shared myth in order for the religion to perpetuate, grow, or persist - and how the lack thereof appears to be a universal problem. I was reminded of the attempts at inventing new religion by the atheistic Cult of Reason in the French Revolution - and its deistic counter-cult, the Cult of the Supreme Being. Both tried to fabricate new myths, rituals, and liturgical holidays as replacements to the old religions. (For example, at the "Festival of Reason" on November 10, 1793, the Notre-Dame Cathedral, was renamed the "Temple of Reason." They were even using a different calendar at the time to try and separate themselves from Christianity, so the official date was "20 Brumaire, Year II" under the French Republican Calendar.) Unfortunately, this all eventually led to the Reign of Terror - which was literally the name of the governmental policy set in place to behead everyone who didn't properly fit into the Rational(tm) dogma of the week. So, uh. No pressure, Joe.

My grandfather had non stop WWI stories. I sat in amazement as I listened to him while he puffed on his pipe and watched Bonanza. Trench warfare was horrifying as he described the ugly details to me, a 12 year old boy. I feel lucky to have experienced him.

When it comes to transgender I view it as being a eunuch of old. The first transgender person I have ever talked with was a trans man who was sexually abused by their father. Nice person who had a trans woman for a partner. I am opposed to abusing trans people. The whole trans thing is outside my perspective of truth but I don't want trans people to be abused more because I think in this world we need to build people up i just don't know how to do it myself. But i am proud of people trying to figure it out 😊

The nihilism calls to me 😊

Thanks Jennie!!🥰😍🧠 (Joe too)

I want truth and building people up. Two things the LDS Church fails at big time.

Let us be the mentors others need.

I am so intrigued to hear Jules thoughts on this. Because like you, Joe, I have my assumptions but I am realizing they are rooted in a shallow interpretation of trans folks experiences.

Lol give a prop microphone to drop when someone becomes a luminary

Omg yes we lose the older mentors when we leave religion. It is so hard. And in general within society today.

Damn it I forgot

The gun analogy is interesting, but I still think prioritizing the truth is the most important. Treating or pretending a gun is loaded is the safest course of action when it comes to gun safety even though I know the truth is that it’s not loaded. However, what if an intruder breaks into my house to attack me? Should I treat my gun as loaded even though I know it’s not? Of course not! I would act on the truth that my gun is unloaded so I take the action to load it for my own safety. Acting as if the gun was loaded when it’s not isn’t always beneficial. Just in the same way as acting as god exists when he might not isn’t always beneficial and in fact can cause harm. Knowing the truth is what enables people to act in a way that will benefit them the most.

Joe, you don't have to sew to make blankets. I make tie blankets. They are double layer and warm.

Get Mylar blanket for times when large are needed and quick

Luv Rob...am able to put up with Joe😆🥰😎🥸🥳

it all came down to .. in the end Jacob gets to believe... because... because, he believes in something higher. nebulous bs. and then implies that people who don't will become nihilist and go to hell. an hour and a half just to say... i am right and you go to hell.

Why " ... of Korihor"? Doesn't that immediately raise the question of "who is Korihor?"