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New York Giants Preservation Society
เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 13 ก.พ. 2023
ALL VIDEOS AND ZOOM SESSIONS RELATE TO THE NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY, A GROUP THAT REMEMBERS, HONORS, AND TREASURES, THE GIANTS OF NEW YORK, AS WELL AS PAYING HOMAGE TO THE SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS
OUR PLAYLIST SECTION CONSISTS OF THE FOLLOWING VIDEOS WHICH WEREN'T NYGPS PRODUCTIONS:
THANK YOU TO THE FOLLOWING FOR THEIR USE IN OUR PLAYLIST:
RALPH TYKO-COMFORTABLY ZONED RADIO (GARRATT/HYND)
BRUCE MARKUSEN-NATIONAL BASEBALL HALL OF FAME AND MUSEUM (TAYLOR/HEALY)
JASON TURBOW-PANDEMIC BASEBALL BOOK CLUB (HAFT)
ORIGINAL NYGPS ZOOM SESSION DATES MISSING REPLACED BY THE ABOVE MENTIONED PLAYLIST INTERVIEWS
ORIGINAL HYND VIDEO-7/22/2020
ORIGINAL HAFT VIDEO-9/23/2020 (SPOKE MORE ABOUT CURRENT 2020 SF TEAM AT THE TIME)
ORIGINAL GARRATT VIDEO-10/15/2020
ORIGINAL HEALEY VIDEO-12/9/2020
ORIGINAL TAYLOR VIDEO-3/11/2021
OUR PLAYLIST SECTION CONSISTS OF THE FOLLOWING VIDEOS WHICH WEREN'T NYGPS PRODUCTIONS:
THANK YOU TO THE FOLLOWING FOR THEIR USE IN OUR PLAYLIST:
RALPH TYKO-COMFORTABLY ZONED RADIO (GARRATT/HYND)
BRUCE MARKUSEN-NATIONAL BASEBALL HALL OF FAME AND MUSEUM (TAYLOR/HEALY)
JASON TURBOW-PANDEMIC BASEBALL BOOK CLUB (HAFT)
ORIGINAL NYGPS ZOOM SESSION DATES MISSING REPLACED BY THE ABOVE MENTIONED PLAYLIST INTERVIEWS
ORIGINAL HYND VIDEO-7/22/2020
ORIGINAL HAFT VIDEO-9/23/2020 (SPOKE MORE ABOUT CURRENT 2020 SF TEAM AT THE TIME)
ORIGINAL GARRATT VIDEO-10/15/2020
ORIGINAL HEALEY VIDEO-12/9/2020
ORIGINAL TAYLOR VIDEO-3/11/2021
- TOM HOFFARTH ON HOF BROADCASTER VIN SCULLY - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-11/19/2024
AUTHOR TOM HOFFARTH DISCUSSES HIS BOOK, PERFECT ELOQUENCE: AN APPRECIATION OF VIN SCULLY. HE TALKS ABOUT SCULLY'S LOVE OF THE NY GIANTS AND WILLIE MAYS AS WELL.
RECORDING DATE:11/19/2024
RECORDING DATE:11/19/2024
มุมมอง: 91
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- SKIP NIPPER ON NY GIANTS INFIELDER HANK SCHENZ - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-11/7/2024
มุมมอง 5521 วันที่ผ่านมา
AUTHOR SKIP NIPPER DISCUSSES HIS ARTICLE ON HANK SCHENZ FROM THE BOOK, THE TEAM THAT TIME WON’T FORGET-THE 1951 NEW YORK GIANTS. SCHENZ PLAYED A MAJOR ROLE IN THE ALLEGED SIGN STEALING SCHEME. RECORDING DATE:11/7/2024
- N.Y. GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY HONORS '54 TEAM - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-10/30/2024
มุมมอง 12328 วันที่ผ่านมา
NYGPS MEMBERS REFLECT ON THE 70TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE NEW YORK GIANTS LAST WORLD’S CHAMPIONSHIP AS THE NEW YORK GIANTS. SPECIAL GUEST MEMBERS INCLUDE MEMBERS OF THE JOHNNY ANTONELLI AND DUSTY RHODES FAMILIES. HERE IS THE LINK TO THE 1954 WORLD SERIES VIDEO: th-cam.com/video/ijxNO2uVr1U/w-d-xo.html RECORDING DATE:10/30/2024
- TOM VAN HYNING ON NY GIANTS PITCHER RUBEN GOMEZ - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-10/24/2024
มุมมอง 141หลายเดือนก่อน
AUTHOR TOM VAN HYNING DISCUSSES HIS SABR ARTICLE ON NY GIANTS PITCHER RUBEN GOMEZ AND HIS TIME SPENT PLAYING THE CARIBBEAN,
- GREGORY WOLF ON WILLIE MAYS' 1954 "THE CATCH" - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-10/10/2024
มุมมอง 417หลายเดือนก่อน
AUTHOR GREGORY WOLF DISCUSSES HIS CONTRIBUTION TO THE BOOK, WILLIE MAYS: FIVE TOOLS WITH HIS PIECE, 9/29/1954: WILLIE MAYS MAKES “THE CATCH". THIS HONORS THE 70TH ANNIVERSARY OF ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS CATCHES IN BASEBALL HISTORY.
- PETER GORDON ON FRED MERKLE AND "MERKLE'S BONER - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-9/26/2024
มุมมอง 882 หลายเดือนก่อน
AUTHOR PETER GORDON DISCUSSES HIS EXTENSIVE RESEARCH ON FRED MERKLE AND "MERKLE’S BONER". RECORDING DATE: 9/26/2024
- GREGORY WOLF ON NY GIANTS PITCHER JIM HEARN - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-9/19/2024
มุมมอง 1672 หลายเดือนก่อน
AUTHOR GREGORY WOLF DISCUSSES HIS ARTICLE ON JIM HEARN FROM THE BOOK, THE TEAM THAT TIME WON’T FORGET-THE 1951 NEW YORK GIANTS. RECORDING DATE: 9/19/2024
- JON LEONOUDAKIS ON ARNOLD HANO AND LEFTY O'DOUL - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-9/12/2024
มุมมอง 732 หลายเดือนก่อน
FILMMAKER AND BASEBALL HISTORIAN JON LEONOUDAKIS DISCUSSES HIS FILM, HANO! A CENTURY IN THE BLEACHERS, HIS CURRENT PROJECT, LEFTY O'DOUL: AMERICA'S FORGOTTEN HERO, AND HANO'S A DAY IN THE BLEACHERS
-RALPH CARHART ON NY GIANTS HALL OF FAMERS GRAVESITES-NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-8/29/2024
มุมมอง 582 หลายเดือนก่อน
AUTHOR RALPH CARHART DISCUSSES HIS BOOK, THE HALL BALL: ONE FAN'S JOURNEY TO UNITE COOPERSTOWN IMMORTALS WITH A SINGLE BASEBALL, FOCUSING ON NEW YORK GIANTS HALL OF FAMERS. RECORDING DATE:8/29/2024
- JOSH RAWITCH ON THE NATIONAL BASEBALL HALL OF FAME -NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-8/15/2024
มุมมอง 813 หลายเดือนก่อน
PRESIDENT OF THE NATIONAL BASEBALL HALL OF FAME AND MUSEUM JOSH RAWITCH DISCUSSES HIS CAREER AND “THE PLACE WHERE BASEBALL LIVES.” RECORDING DATE:8/15/2024
- DAVID GUNZERATH ON GIANTS/DODGERS PAY PER VIEW TV - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-8/1/2021
มุมมอง 2083 หลายเดือนก่อน
WRITER DAVID GUNZERATH DISCUSSES HIS ABSTRACT, CHANGING CHANNELS: TELEVISION RIGHTS AND THE DODGERS' AND GIANTS' MOVES TO CALIFORNIA. RECORDING DATE:8/1/2024
- ERIC VICKREY ON THE SPOKANE INDIANS BUS CRASH - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-7/18/2024
มุมมอง 1174 หลายเดือนก่อน
AUTHOR ERIC VICKREY DISCUSSES HIS BOOK, SEASON OF SHATTERED DREAMS: POSTWAR BASEBALL, THE SPOKANE INDIANS, AND A TRAGIC BUS CRASH THAT CHANGED EVERYTHING. THE BOOK HAS MANY REFERENCES TO THE NEW YORK GIANTS.
- LEW FREEDMAN ON KNUCKLEBALLER HOYT WILHELM - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-7/11/2024
มุมมอง 964 หลายเดือนก่อน
AUTHOR LEW FREEDMAN DISCUSSES HIS BOOK, HOYT WILHELM: LIFE OF A KNUCKLEBALLER. RECORDING DATE;7/11/2024
- NYGPS MEMBERS HONOR THE PASSING OF WILLIE MAYS - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-7/1/2024
มุมมอง 1454 หลายเดือนก่อน
NYGPS MEMBERS REMEMBER WILLIE MAYS AND WHAT HE MEANS/MEANT TO ALL OF US AS WE HONOR THE GREATEST TO EVER PLAY THE GAME! RECORDING DATE:7/1/2024
- ANTHONY MCCARRON ON THE '64 GIANTS/METS TWIN BILL - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-6/27/2024
มุมมอง 775 หลายเดือนก่อน
SNY CONTRIBUTOR AND MLB FREELANCE WRITER ANTHONY MCCARRON DISCUSSES THE FAMOUS METS/GIANTS DOUBLEHEADER PLAYED ON 5/31/1964, WHERE WILLIE MAYS PLAYED SHORTSTOP FOR A FEW INNINGS. RECORDING DATE:6/27/2024
- ART BLACK ON RICKWOOD FIELD & WILLIE MAYS' LEGACY - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-6/19/2024
มุมมอง 895 หลายเดือนก่อน
- ART BLACK ON RICKWOOD FIELD & WILLIE MAYS' LEGACY - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-6/19/2024
- NYGPS MOURNS THE LOSS TONIGHT OF WILLIE MAYS - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-6/18/2024
มุมมอง 2525 หลายเดือนก่อน
- NYGPS MOURNS THE LOSS TONIGHT OF WILLIE MAYS - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-6/18/2024
- KEVIN BAKER ON THE EARLY NEW YORK GIANTS - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-6/12/2024
มุมมอง 2405 หลายเดือนก่อน
- KEVIN BAKER ON THE EARLY NEW YORK GIANTS - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-6/12/2024
- STEVE GLASSMAN ON THE POSITIONS WILLIE MAYS PLAYED - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-6/6/2024
มุมมอง 715 หลายเดือนก่อน
- STEVE GLASSMAN ON THE POSITIONS WILLIE MAYS PLAYED - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-6/6/2024
- GARY MINTZ AT THE 2024 COOPERSTOWN SYMPOSIUM - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-5/29/2024
มุมมอง 345 หลายเดือนก่อน
- GARY MINTZ AT THE 2024 COOPERSTOWN SYMPOSIUM - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-5/29/2024
- GARY MINTZ AT THE 2019 COOPERSTOWN SYMPOSIUM- NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-5/30/2019
มุมมอง 255 หลายเดือนก่อน
- GARY MINTZ AT THE 2019 COOPERSTOWN SYMPOSIUM- NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-5/30/2019
- NORM COLEMAN ON GROWING UP A GIANTS FAN - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-6/5/2024
มุมมอง 2015 หลายเดือนก่อน
- NORM COLEMAN ON GROWING UP A GIANTS FAN - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-6/5/2024
- MARTY LURIE ON WILLIE MAYS AND THE GIANTS TO DATE - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-5/23/2024
มุมมอง 936 หลายเดือนก่อน
- MARTY LURIE ON WILLIE MAYS AND THE GIANTS TO DATE - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-5/23/2024
- MARK STERNMAN ON WILLIE MAYS' MANAGERS - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-5/9/2024
มุมมอง 2126 หลายเดือนก่อน
- MARK STERNMAN ON WILLIE MAYS' MANAGERS - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-5/9/2024
- JOHN BURBRIDGE ON WILLIE MAYS AT THE POLO GROUNDS - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-5/2/2024
มุมมอง 1836 หลายเดือนก่อน
- JOHN BURBRIDGE ON WILLIE MAYS AT THE POLO GROUNDS - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-5/2/2024
- NYGPS CELEBRATES WILLIE MAYS' 93RD BIRTHDAY - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-4/25/2024
มุมมอง 2217 หลายเดือนก่อน
- NYGPS CELEBRATES WILLIE MAYS' 93RD BIRTHDAY - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-4/25/2024
- JERRY GRILLO ON JOHNNY MIZE - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-4/24/2024
มุมมอง 827 หลายเดือนก่อน
- JERRY GRILLO ON JOHNNY MIZE - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-4/24/2024
- STEVE STEINBERG ON MIKE DONLIN - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY- 4/18/2024
มุมมอง 1777 หลายเดือนก่อน
- STEVE STEINBERG ON MIKE DONLIN - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY- 4/18/2024
- ANDREW GOLDBLATT ON THE GIANTS/DODGERS RIVALRY - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-4/11/2024
มุมมอง 1427 หลายเดือนก่อน
- ANDREW GOLDBLATT ON THE GIANTS/DODGERS RIVALRY - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-4/11/2024
- ROGER MUNTER ON THE GIANTS FARM SYSTEM - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-3/27/2024
มุมมอง 768 หลายเดือนก่อน
- ROGER MUNTER ON THE GIANTS FARM SYSTEM - NEW YORK GIANTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY-3/27/2024
Thank you all for another great presentation.
My late father, Giants fan, would have enjoyed this.
Thank you for the discussion. The Team That Time Won't Forget was a terrific read. If we read Joshua Prager's The Echoing Green and David Ritz Branca's Pitch along with this fabulous piece, the situations culminating in the playoff between the Giants and Dodgers in the fall of '51 become quite clear regardless of our affiliation. A fascinating time in baseball history and a topic worthy of discussion and debate in a civilized and intellectual manner.
Wonderful video story. I’ve been a Dodgers and Diamondbacks fan for decades, but the rivalry versus the Giants has been great fun over the years. Thank you for this wonderful presentation.
Fantastic! Norm is a great guy and his baseball and Giants collection is world-class.
This was an extraordinary catch but it was been way oversold over the years.
This iconic baseball play was nearly one of the first to be played to a national audience. For some of us, the fifties baseball were unforgettable. Thomson's homer, Larsen's perfect game, and this catch were the Triumvirate of Fifties baseball. Then Mazeroski's brought in the new decade.
Mays didn't take a direct route to the ball because CF was the sun field. The Polo Grounds ran due east-west. At that time of year the sun was behind home plate @ 3 in the afternoon. He took a (somewhat) circuitous route to get a better angle on the ball.
Feller wanted to pitch game 4 but Lopez went with game 1 starter Lemon on two days rest. No open dates in that series. Lemon was shelled. Feller was 13-3 in 1954. Lopez also screwed up his pitching in 1959 starting Wynn on 2-days rest in game 6. Wynn lasted 3 1/3 and was shelled. Youda thunk it that Lozez would have learned something by then but he didn't.
Arnold Hano's "A Day in the Bleachers" is a well written enjoyable account of this game by someone who was there that day.
Hano's account of the game almost puts me next to him in the bleachers. A classic!
Merkle stole 49 bases in 1911. Giants in 1911 stole 347 bases; record never to be broken. Lost the WS to HR Baker and the A's.
Harry Coveleski won 22 games in 1914 for Detroit, then 22 in 1915 and 21 in 1916 his only good years. Lifetime 2.39 ERA 9 seasons.
phil muschnick is feminist liar period
phil muschbick is a dirtbag
phil muschnick is garbage
Great video, hopefully I get there soon.
Wish i could have been there but I live in FL and haven't been back to NYC in a very long time. The PG was my second home growing up and the Giants were my first love. I have no idea how many games I saw there but I would guess well more than 50. I was crushed when they left but the truth is that the fans had stopped supporting the team which made it easy for Stoneham to go. I was there for Game 1 in the 54 series and clearly remember "the catch" though the throw was even more incredible. I missed the "shot heard around the world" as I was away at school. I never stopped being a Giant's fan though it's not quite the same. But, then again, neither am I. All the best to the NYGPS. Wish I could be a part of it.
You can be a part if u contact me
Great discussion and turnout involving a subject that still permeates the current paradigm. The all-powerful television revenue debate. It's great to learn the O'Malley money grab did not end with the immoral but cost-effective (meant facetiously) acquisition of Chavez Ravine for his Dodgers. One of the great things a society like this reminds us of historically is that the Brooklyn/Los Angeles Dodgers are frauds. It can be debated that former NY Giants such as Hank Schenz, Herman Franks, Sal Yvars, and Bobby Thomson deserve CREDIT, not condemnation for helping Leo knock 'Dem Bums off their perch back in '51. Members, I apologize for the negativity, but the Dodgers bring out the worst in me and I was born in '72! I actually cheered on the Yankees in the '77, '78, & '81 Series and we rarely rooted for the American League. I rooted against the AL in Battle of the Network Stars! Seriously, thanks for the great work on camera and behind the scenes of this fantastic group reminding the country of the origins of the Giants. A rich history that will be preserved thanks to Gary and you all. Thanks.
I never knew Larry Bird had a twin !!
The stonehams are my great great and great grandfathers! Thanks for posting this!
Another terrific show with a very interesting writer and topic. Excellent listen.
Speaking of McGraw being one of the first managers to utilise relief pitchers, the book "Manager of Giants" by Lou Hernandez points out that Doc Crandall led the National League in games finished for five straight seasons (1909 to 1913), making Crandall "the closest thing there was to a relief specialist in this era". During that span, 132 of Crandall's 185 pitching appearances were out of the bullpen.
love this. my dad was a dodgers fan but i enjoy the history btwn the new york baseball teams.
The insights into the composing of the song are fascinating. It is not just about Baseball.
I actually saw major league baseball played at the Polo Grounds. It was the Mets in the first two years. They were my first games as a kid.
Local police refer to the stairway as “the felony steps”
Great show 24
Well done
Thank you, Davey Williams is my father. Meant the world to me to hear the stories and kind remembrances. Best regards, Lori
Thank you once again to the New York Giants Preservation Society for the wonderful discussion on a terrible day. When one of our heroes passes, in our case, the greatest ballplayer that ever lived, a small piece of all of us withers away with them. Thank You Willie for the great memories that you provided the fans of New York and San Francisco. You made us and continue to make us proud to be a National League baseball fan in and around New York City albeit interleague play ruined the distinctivness of our league. We have loved Willie and will never forget his contributions to our wonderful game and how Willie represented the Giants and later New York Mets. He will be missed by us all. Thanks to the society as well for the wonderful book recommendations. After recently finishing Arnold Hano's, A Day in the Bleachers, this has been more emotional. I wish I was old enough to have seen Willie play, but his memory will endure in the hearts and minds of baseball fans for eternity. Condolences to the Mays family and all who have been affected by his loss. We love you Willie.
What a fitting tribute to the Say Hey Kid. RIP Willie!
A great night. I was there at Shea Stadium.
I definitely cannot agree with Baker's take on Robert Moses and Walter O'Malley. Moses did not so much evaluate and reject O'Malley's stadium proposal as he summarily ignored that proposal. When the rest of the New York City government finally grasped that Moses had given O'Malley the back of his hand, they were outraged. Alas, by that time it was too late, as O'Malley had already formed a relationship with the Los Angeles municipal authorities, which had given him the land on which he could build his own stadium. All that New York officials could offer O'Malley by that point was a municipal stadium in Queens, an offer which had no chance of being acceptable to him. If New York City had had a functioning government at the time (which is another way of saying: if Robert Moses had not been so unaccountable), then that government would surely have reached an arrangement to acquire the necessary land, and the privately-funded Dodger Stadium (note: not the domed stadium of some of the more fanciful plans) would have been built at the intersection of Atlantic Avenue and Fourth Avenue rather than in Chavez Ravine. It is true that an Atlantic Avenue stadium would have caused the displacement of the people living in the residential buildings that would have been torn down, just as the Chavez Ravine stadium caused the displacement of the entire community of Mexican-Americans who had been living on that land. But that stadium would have arrested the perception of Brooklyn - and, more generally, of New York City and of Eastern cities overall - as being in decline. The sociological effects would have been profoundly beneficial. What's more, a Dodger Stadium at that location would have been accessible to the entire City by subway, while also being accessible by the LIRR to the former Brooklynites who had moved out to Long Island. If we imagine Koufax and Drysdale and the 1960s Dodger teams there, we have to concede that they would have had the same two-million-plus in yearly attendance that the team drew in Los Angeles. The area would have experienced a boom, with restaurants and bars creating a thriving baseball District; and that Marriott hotel on Jay Street would have been built a good fifty years earlier than it was actually built. An Atlantic Avenue stadium would certainly have been a net economic positive for our whole City. I have bought Baker's book, and I am sure that I will enjoy it and that I will learn a great deal from it. But Baker will never dissuade me from the conclusion that O'Malley was kicked out of Brooklyn by the monstrous megalomaniac Robert Moses, nor will he convince me that O'Malley's having been kicked out was a good thing for our City, for the borough of Brooklyn, and for that particular area.
We are looking at it with 2024 lenses, O’Malley had a land deal in California which he was never going to pass up, Atlantic and Flatbush in 1955 was entering the beginning of a decline and O’Malley was asking for straight up illegal deals in the city condemning operating business for him to purchase them cheaply, than he would’ve had to do this multiple more times to build the parking he needed. He was not landlocked in looking for sites in Brooklyn like people say, he could’ve had Dodger Stadium amounts of parking in Southern Brooklyn instead of boxing himself into a declining Downtown. O’Malley was nothing more than a con man, who wasted Moses time, and Moses was no hero but he’s not the villain in this situation. Also for the LIRR, it would’ve collapsed in on itself if somehow this stadium would have been built, the LIRR entered the 50’s at its lowest with over 200 killed in 2 massive wrecks in less than a year, the rolling stock was abysmal, tracks and structures were in dire straits, many grade crossings still in service which slowed down service, the LIRR wouldn’t be able to handle crowds going to Dodger games until 1970 when new equipment and structural improvements were made. The subway was only a few levels better. So most of the fans that left to Long Island would’ve drove and traffic would’ve been much more of a nightmare than Ebbets Field. If O’Malley was in fact inspired by County Stadium in Milwaukee than why the hell would he choose Atlantic and Flatbush where he could have very little parking, abysmal commuter rail and an overall nightmarish situation, real estate and stadium situations hadn’t developed the way they are now so Downtown Brooklyn would have still declined the way it did even if the Dodgers moved there, If anything Downtown Brooklyn would look like Downtown Newark in the fact that many buildings would have to be demolished to accommodate Dodger Parking, meanwhile you had open land where Kings Plaza Mall exist right now and Mill Basin, Canarsie and Bergen Beach were still largely barren in that era, he could have tied that into the Belt Parkwy and future Verrazono Bridge that would’ve shuttled fans to a new Dodger Stadium.
@@richiemartinez103 - O'Malley was inspired by Milwaukee in terms of the huge jump in attendance, not in terms of the gigantic parking lots surrounding the stadium. The main access to a Dodgers stadium at Atlantic and Flatbush Avenues would have been by subway (with access greater than that which had served Ebbets Field); and a strong economic imperative would have brought improvements to the LIRR's rolling stock and grade crossings much sooner then they actually occured. What's more, condemnation is hardly illegal; that is in fact the mechanism by which Chavez Ravine was obtained by the Los Angeles municipal authorities for the construction of Dodger Stadium. It's true that the intersection of Atlantic and Flatbush Avenue was, by the mid-1950s, entering a decline. But it is a decline that would have been completely reversed by the building of a stadium for a popular winning team, and by the establishment of all the ancillary businesses serving the baseball crowds, in much the same way that the Giants' current park in San Francisco revitalised an area of that city that had previously been in decline. Moses, who had the power to put gigantic highways literally wherever he wanted (thereby displacing people in quantities orders of magnitude greater than would have occurred as a result of a baseball stadium), could easily have assembled the necessary parcels for O'Malley to build upon at his own cost. O'Malley was forced to look outside of Brooklyn only after he understood that the profound governmental dysfunction embodied in Moses was an insurmountable obstacle. And only thereafter did the rest of the City government counter with the woefully inadequate offer of a municipal Flushing Meadows stadium. O'Malley had presented a perfectly sensible plan to the only person in the New York City government who could effectuate such a plan - namely, Moses, who made a colossal blunder by rejecting that entirely workable plan out of hand. In the story of the Dodgers' move, Moses is absolutely the one and only villain.
@@FerdinandCesarano A. If O’Malley obliterates 100 blocks for parking for his new stadium at Atlantic and Flatbush than he kills off the neighborhood, and it will become a giant parking lot which would most likely not be developed. It would instead just sit as a large open parking lot and as Brooklyn burned in the 70’s and 80’s especially Brownsville, East New York, Bushwick and Bedford Stuyvesant the most likely course of action would be the city would pressure the Dodgers to sell of some of their parking to build low income housing, the revival of Downtown Brooklyn wouldn’t have occurred because O’Malley would’ve destroyed it, the idea of stadium revitalizing neighborhoods didn’t exist the way it does now,. B. The slaughterhouses and businesses inside the LIRR station that O’Malley wanted to condem were successful and not failing the way it’s presented, people would’ve cried bloody murder if that occurred along with condemning 100 blocks for parking which would’ve had O’Malley killed if he began to target the blocks close to mob holdings in Prospect Heights, this was all very unserious or he was just that stupid. C. As for the LIRR, there was no money for rolling stock in the 50’s, look at the small rolling stock order they had, the state couldn’t support it, and O’Malley damn sure wasn’t going to fund it, he would’ve needed to replace 900 plus cars within the opening of the new stadium and a set deadline, so say the Dodger Dome at Atlantic and Flatbush opens in 1962, he’d have to fund a purchase of 900 plus cars to arrive on LIRR tracks before at least 1965 or the existing equipment would have given out, that wasn’t going to happen, I can promise you if O’Malley’s 1950 coup that pushed Rickey out never occurred the Dodgers would still be in Brooklyn, O’Malley was not loosing money, he was in an advantageous situation compared to the Boston Braves, Philadelphia A’s or even the Phillies and Reds, the Dodgers were the financial class of the NL until the Braves short meteoric rise and it would’ve remained that way. O’Malley had a sweetheart land deal in LA, which he’d probably had since the late 40’s and in order to make it sweeter he had to b.s the city of New York to make LA feel as if it was a chance he’d stay in Brooklyn if LA didn’t bend over even more to his demands. If O’Malley was so content on parking he’d look to Southern Brooklyn, he has highways that connect to Long Island and Jersey and space for Milwaukee style parking without disturbing existing neighborhoods to the extent that he would’ve Downtown, or the most economically feasible move would’ve been to purchase the Property on Bedford Ave between Montgomery and Sullivan Place, than Sullivan-Emprie Blvd, (only at the corners) than purchase the vacant lot on Franklin Ave where a streetcar depot had recently been turned into a vacant lot, than another one on Nostrand Ave and he could’ve built large indoor parking facilities around Ebbets Field. Reminder had O’Malley not been a slumlord between 1950-56 and let another Slumlord takeover Ebbets Field would’ve had 15-20 years as an adequate stadium than in 1970 once Moses was gone he could blackjack another set of NYC politicians to build his nonsense Atlantic and Flatbush nightmare, they probably would have went for it if he greased their palms enough.
@@richiemartinez103 - A. There is no way that O'Malley would have obliterated 100 blocks for parking. Indeed, the very fact that he sought to put the Dodgers' new park in Downtown Brooklyn rather than in the southern part of the borough near Coney Island demonstrates that he was not looking for parking on the scale of County Stadium (or even on the scale of what Shea Stadium would later have). The subway had been responsible for the Yankees' strong attendance since the 1920s; likewise, the subway would have been the main means of transport to a new Dodgers ballpark on Atlantic Avenue. B. No one said that the businesses on the plots that O'Malley wanted were failing; likewise, the residential community of Mexican-Americans in Chavez Ravine that was displaced by that land's condemnation was thriving. But those slaughterhouses and other businesses would have been replaced by restaurants, bars, nightclubs, hotels, etc.; and the value of the residential properties in the area would have gone up dramatically. C. With the drastic increase in the tax base that would have occurred if a stadium had been built, the State could have taken over the LIRR long before it acutally did so in the 1960s. This would have made it all the easier to get to the new stadium (which, incidentally, would **not** have been the dome of some unrealistic fantasies). The entire story is that the city government of Los Angeles acted responsibly, while the New York municipal authorities, having ceded control to Moses, did not. The deal that the Los Angeles government made - the acquisition of a little bit of land by condemnation, in return for the new owner spending a great deal of his own money to bring about tremendous improvements - is one that any responsible and sensible government would make. But, alas, we did not have a responsible or sensible government in New York at the time; we had a staggeringly inappropriate autocracy in city planning by an unaccountable megalomaniac. If not for that, the Dodgers would be playing on Atlantic Avenue today, and Brooklyn's nadir would have been avoided. (P.S. - And the Giants would have moved to Minneapolis. So this scenario would have been worse for the Giants, even as its effects on New York City and on urban America in general would have been extremely positive.) You must read the book "The Dodgers Move West" by Neil Sullivan. That book explodes many, many old myths that deserve to die.
This session is absolutely priceless. Carl was a gem -- on and off the field. And this session --- when Carl was 94 --- is mesmerizing.
32 yr old Cleveland baseball fan ... love the purpose here to preserve history on the real New York Giants ... Kevin's book was excellent, great audio book as well! So many entertaining and interesting facets to baseball's history, particularly in New York. Quite the bygone era.
Enjoyable Evening
Is this Larry Bird? Thank You Mr. Bird !
Wow. Great story. Love the home museum. Congratulations Norm.
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Happy 93rd birthday to the GOAT of baseball, Mr. Wilie Howard Mays.
While you were there, did anybody ask you for an autograph thinking you were Larry Bird? ;-)
Funny how a public school stands at the exact spot where Willie Mays made The Catch. Always wondered if there's a specific floor or wall marker indicating the approximate place?❤
Happy Birthday Willie.
Happy birthday Willie
Thank you Josh for taking the time a year ago to appear on this terrific forum of like minded individuals. Your book is nothing short of spectacular and is a modern literary master class. Thank you.
Excellent presentation. I just found your channel. As a huge fan of baseball history I think I Will enjoy it.
Thx for kind words!
I want a Tokyo Giants cap also My mother lived at the Polo Grounds years ago
I have never in my life seen so many All Star and World Series level talent unsigned and available: Brandon Belt, Kim Ng, Trevor Bauer, Evan Longoria, Donovan Solano, Brian Sabean, JD Davis (Oakland) THIS SPORT IS A MASSIVE JOKE
This is too cool--thank you so much for sharing this experience. As a native New Yorker, will definitely take this walk when I make my way back home sometime.