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Liquid Propulsion Group
เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 29 ม.ค. 2020
We are a student organization based in California State University, Sacramento that develops pressure fed bi-propellant rocket engines.
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Water Flow Test 1 - Combined flow
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Last weekend was a great weekend for Liquid Propulsion Group. We were able to conduct valuable water-flow testing of our in-house designed bi-propellant rocket engine and associated propellant storage system. With this set of testing, we observed many important characteristics. values including mass flow rates, pressure equilibriums, injector-spray patterns, and more. The next step is water-flo...
Lec0: Sizing a Rocket Engine from Scratch (Intro to Rocket Design)
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This is an introduction to rocket engine sizing and physics. It is recorded for new members of the Liquid Propulsion Group club @ CSUS, but is uploaded publicly. Makar Loktyukhin is the founder of LPG, and is currently serving as a graduate advisor to the club. Links mentioned: cearun.grc.nasa.gov/ www.rocket-propulsion.com/RPA/download.htm www.amazon.com/Rocket-Propulsion-Elements-George-Sutto...
Liquid Propulsion Group: Introductory Concept Design Review
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This is our first presentation reviewing our organization and rocket engine design. In attendance: Advisors: Jason Brand - Intel Corp. LPG Members: Makar Loktyukhin John "Yarden" Elias Cameron Wright Emmett Moore (UC Davis) Josh Ira Anthony Lee Diego Marquez Jozsef Augusztiny (UC Davis) B.K. Evangelista Brian Kalayanamitr Enrique Carazes Jorge Avilez Timothy Hicks Jr.
Intro to Rocket Engines: 1D Flow Model
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Introduction to basic rocket engine parameters and the equations that govern sizing and flow modeling for the quasi-1D model. Combustion chemistry calculator: cearun.grc.nasa.gov/ More links coming soon
LPG: Third General Meeting (Timeline Definition)
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Low res because Zoom recording.
Nobody ever talk about what happens if Throat Mach Number is larger than 1, e.g. 1.05. Surely it is not possible to hit Mach 1 right on the head, so I suggest you would rather want to be slightly higher, as lower will make your engine not work?
I compared (equation at 4:12) with ("The linear velocity of the exiting exhaust gases" in en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_engine_nozzle). Do you mean "R bar" is the universal gas constant? (at 4:27)
How does this change with monoprop or thermal engines with LOX variability? I assume then the sizing characteristic graph for optimumal ratios for fuel and oxider shift as it becomes less efficient to use oxider to raise temperature as you increase atomic mass.
FOR ANYONE READING: There is a typo in the isentropic Mach relations, p and rho equations should be to the -y/(y-1) in the video there isn't a negative sign. Great video though, very imformative
Thank you studying thermo at the moment and got stuck trying to figure this out
OK, I will need to watch it like 8 times
Is that KSP music LOL?
Is there a contact address or e-mail where I can reach you? I would like to talk about the approximate temperature in Kelvin you reach in your rocket and what kind of flowmeter you prefer to control the liquid flow in this rocket.
im confused how do you get mass flow rate when calculating a star and at what point in the engine is this measured
I know this is an old comment and you might have an answer already but since there isn't a response here... when you say "a star" I assume you mean c*, which is the characteristic velocity. If you are asking which point in the engine you "measure" mass flow rate, it's where it's most practical to do so. If you are utilizing a gauge on a valve or a weight sensor to measure how much mass is being used in a certain amount of time that would be where you are "measuring". c* is calculated by taking the chamber pressure (pc) and multiplying it by the area of the throat (At) and dividing that by the mass flow rate (m). c*= (pc*At)/m. Keep in mind this isn't actually standard notation as I don't know how to input the actual symbols. Also keep in mind this is only really useful when disregarding transient (situations of extreme changes in values such as engine startup) conditions.
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Hey mate, I have a question for you. What is more desirable regarding fuel oxidizer mixing in the chamber? That the fuel and oxidizer both comes into the chamber as gas phases, or both as liquid, or one as liquid and the other as a gas? Because I guess you would not, heat transfer wise, want the fuel to turn into fully gas(nuclear boiling ok) in the cooling jacket, but you would also not like to have a long liquid fuel penetration length in the chamber. So how would you design the engine so that you make sure the bulk average temperature of the fuel is just shy of boiling when entering the injector!? That is a hard problem I think! Also because I guess the amount of cooling mass flow of fuel is fixed, as well as the initial temperature of the fuel.
Few thoughts. I think from a mixing perspective, gaseous injection is better, but typically fuels are present in liquid form so extra steps need to be taken in order to turn them into gases. IIRC SpaceX's Raptors do gaseous injection. But I gess, liquid-liquid injectors aim for mechanical atomization rather than boiling them, so having them right below boiling point is less of a concern
This is so stupidly fascinating, but what are prior requirements to understand this subject? I have no clue about all the maths/physics behind it, but I want to know more and more! PD: Liked and subscribed!
Thermodynamics and fluid dynamics.
Its not rock.....hey......
Where did you post the test results please? Great test, congratulations!
Pull up more such videos please!
This is called "gas burner", not rocket engine, chaps. Back to drawing board and learn some physics :)
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Ok but there are like a million different specific impulse formulas on the internet which one is true can someone help
4:50 Lightes gas dont make sense. We want kinetic energy wich before you mention is speed*mass so if reduce mas you lose thrust. What i see is: more HYDROGEN more combustion(chimic reaction) more ISP: H2>CH4(methane)>C2H6(Ether)....>C3H7NO2S(RP1(i think is the worst because less Hydrogen per Carbon and "NO2S" is just useless weight. That make me think in NH3(Amonio but its nasty reaction and Nitrogen weght more than Carbon))
If you you double the speed of an object you quadruple the kinetic energy and if you double it’s mass you double its kinetic energy so by having a lighter gas you can have more kinetic energy because you can accelerate it faster. And you can carry more too I think
8:01 You are wrong on that. Otherwise you have molecule wich dont generate presure inside the chamer. The problem is the temperature. if you solve that you got the best Isp.
7:25 Thanks, i dont know about this. RP-1/LOX what ratio is for stoichiometric? to see the efect on diferent presurechamber.
24:02 i like that in any stage the user can shutdown it.
look nice let see what i can learn.
have you considered machining precision pins to help perfectly line up the flanges so the pintor injector is axial my flush?
You just tied together my fluid mechanics, propulsion, and gas dynamics courses in a way that they actually make sense together. They were all so abstract to me before, thank you so much. Also notability is the best.
I have questions about the CC. With nasa cea, i can achieve stagnition conditions with infinite area nozzle. How it can be appliciable to reality ? How can I tide the CC to nozzle ?
question : why i choose the o/f value that maximize T0/M , What about the highest spesific impulse?
T0/M is proportional to exhaust velocity/specific impulse, so maximized T0/M is maximized specific impulse I believe.
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awesome content thank you
cannot have enough words to thank you for this beautiful content you have delivered to me
Heard KSP music, so now I know this guy knows his stuff…
I was thinking the same thing lmao
yes ksp music
Speaking the truths
this is actually so real
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вот вроде нормальное объяснение с картинками, жаль только, что на импортном языке
Мог бы английский подтянуть
awesome!
Where's your testing site?
how do you find the combustion temperature T0?
Is this a test of the injector nozzles?
it is quite interesting, how can I join your group? what are the requirements?
Looks awesome, is there any numbers on the engine yet from testing? (thrust, Isp, O/F ratio)
Hello! I'm russian design and analysis engineer of liquid rocket engines. I'v 1 year experience in Energomash and 6 months experience in United Engine Corporation. I'm political refugee. And now I'm in the US. Do you know if is possible work in the US being engineer with russian degree and experience after granted for asylum?
No. Stay away commie.
нет. в лучшем случае через 10 лет и не в ведущих компаниях... Европа более толерантна, особенно кто только начинает. Посмотри Португалию. я тоже думал, что заведу частную компанию, перетащу друзей и будем продавать баллистическую доставку по всему миру и на НОО ))) Но внимательное наблюдение за событиями, показало, что существует масса инструкций, согласно которым очень сложно заниматься и иметь в собственности компании, занимающиеся ракетно-космической тематикой, если ты не гражданин по-рождению. И это не разовое решение вопроса! Большая часть этих инструкций проходит через FAA, а значит каждое согласование на пуск будет почти нереальным... ...посмотри на Маска с тестовыми пусками, как он мучается!)))
Would you like to work for me?I have a rocket startup and all the necessary approvals from the government. I need experienced talents like yourselves.
Chamber pressure is pressure created during combustion isn't right??
So whats your tank pressure??
Very nice. can you make a video to explain about the inlet pressure? I did saw your video about the introduction to rocket engine design. I'm very interested in build a own project. I dont want to use pressurized tanks because i think this is not scalable to a real vehicle. My objective is to use a eletric pump but i dont know the necessary pressure.
very good content
Bro this channel is so cool. Keep making rocket videos.
i love how the ksp music keeps playing xd
Fits the theme of the video
I heard it too lol
wonderfull
beautiful
How did you get combustion chamber pressure Po?
you choose it, it's a design parameter. Typically is fixed due to technological limits (around 250bar, but spacex increased the limiti to 300bar)
@@xxWender98xx and according for what I have to choose it? according a chamber material ? I mean , for example, if someone chooses 1000 psi, it means that he did choose it according the material he bought?
@@emmetray9703 You must always seek the highest pressure in order to have the maximum efficiency and thrust, so you choose it based on the material you want to use. If you want a cheap simple engine without regenerative cooling maybe you choose a lower pressure.
@@xxWender98xx got it , so at the end , it depends on material I want to use and engine structure. Thank you,
@@emmetray9703 yes, you are welcome
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