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depends on the camera setup, the gh4 is floating on this lens. Heavy cameras would need rails, light cameras no.

@@lostproductionspdx cool, I have a lens adapter with an L just like yours. The strain between the lens and the adapter is not something to worry about?

@@AidanCasey-xz3xz Just need to use your best judgement, if there's no flex probably fine.

Yes.

@@lostproductionspdx thank you for the reply. A b4 adapter is not too expensive although some are outrageous in price. It's crazy. I see them cheap sometimes and think I would get a kind of consistent "holga" "toy" camera look. I do wonder if I can hand hold them or perhaps use a mini 6 inch tripod or strobe frame as a "pistol grip"

@@lostproductionspdx btw I came across some old angeliuex lenses, the zoom ones 25 mm to 125 mm? Something like that, unfortunately they are the old Krasnogorek mount and hard to find a adapter. It did come with one old lense adapter to c mount. I might just tight bond together. It feels a bit loose. They seem amazing. Many old films were Done with them. I believe Truffut , Kubrick French wave etc. Excuse any typos. 😂

@@unbroken1010 Some of the adapters are for specific cameras and need expensive glass so that's a possibility depending on camera. Some cameras are definitely light enough like this gh4. Bigger cameras might need lens rails. Just read as much as you can before spending money. Lots of info out there.

@@lostproductionspdx is the focus and aperture hard to do manual with out the zoom? I more interested in using them for stills. Thanks for the reply

The company has a similar model still available but likely they will stop manufacturing it soon. There are 3 models with different features. HM-3826 GM-3836 GW-4836 You will find them under spot moving head on their website.

The lights are still working after 6 years however they have needed parts and maintenance beyond what a normal person is likely willing to do. Higher quality moving lights will last longer but all will need regular maintenance and replacement parts after years of use.

​@@lostproductionspdxthank you so much for the info and for the review !

It's a Hirose cable, you need to make sure the pin configuration is correct, look up your lens model and confirm what it needs before buying something. 4 pin, 6 pin, 8 pin and 12 pin Hirose cables exist, just confirm what's on your lens and which pins need DC power.

If you already have the lenses, buying a cheap adapter is totally worth it. Image quality is noticeably lower vs a modern M4/3 Lens. Less noticeable in sunlight I would argue.

Not in this one, possibly in newer models but more likely sensor stabilized since the sensors are so small

Yep, you can use them manually. Manual focus and zoom.

The ability to aim these is seriously one of the coolest features but honestly I'm usually just shooting straight out as well. My opinion is portability and control for you are crucial, I would check out the ultratec ultra handy fogger. Another that comes to mind is Rosco Mini V and Look Solutions Viper S. Here's a list of additional companies that could provide a solution. Reel EFX ADJ Antari Le Maitre MDG Froggys Fog If the warranty is only one year, the build quality is going to likely be low. Plenty of manufactures are offering 2 to 5 year warranties if they stand behind the product.

Still Using Elation Onyx and Martin M-PC occasionally

Well first thing I noticed was the price, if you have a $1400 budget you have options. Now nothing from a bigger manufacturer that has cmy of course. I think the brand has a decent presence of online and the light seems like a good value. Go for it! Just use a middleman to keep your money safe should there be any tom foolery. I recently ordered a sizeable amount from Shehds lighting so I'm putting them through their paces at the moment. Update: 3 out of 4 of the moving Lights I bought from Shehds have issues. Soo definitely waiting to see how customer service handles it

Oh also, I'd recommend checking out Dage, i think they could be competitive price wise to what you're looking at and my lights have been problem free for 5 years.

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On Facebook, look up Cherry Lu Dage Lighting to chat with the rep I purchased from. www.dagelight.com/index.php?l=en I don't sell them but maybe I should.

Make sure you do your due diligence on compatibility, like I mentioned there are some slight differences with the blackmagic units. This might work with the studio camera but I can't guarantee it. Check some forums perhaps or go ahead and take the leap of faith hah. Let us know what you find in the comments. www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1103381-REG/fotodiox_b4_mgc_mft_p_b4_magic_mft_pro_lens.html/?ap=y&gclid=CjwKCAjw9qiTBhBbEiwAp-GE0VC4_2iy4XoeOoSOi9pGSU_81rkQm0QebSOWJTD2Yk6k3xQRB9hVhxoCO5UQAvD_BwE&lsft=BI%3A514&smp=y

The GH5 should be really solid in low light 🕯️. What frame rate and shutter speed are you using? If you're doing 60p that could be part of it or it's just incredibly dark. There are some good videos on YT about camera settings to maximize your light intake. I would start by checking your settings since that camera should perform nicely. Otherwise, seems Sony sensors are the kings of low light, I really was impressed by the Blackmagic Cameras too.

Thanks, for that. Go binge sound shop vlogs for more production tom foolery. I'm hoping people actually buy them so I get to see them in person one day and the company gets to release more products.

Friends and loved ones, If you can afford the name brand lights you'll be getting a more consistent product with excellent resale value and parts availability. Also you don't have to pay retail, in fact no one who buys in quantity pays retail price. At the end of the day, it's a tool and if the tool is accomplishing the demands you have, it's the right tool for the job. The whole made in china thing doesn't mean much. Like you say, they keep the factory rolling, in the morning they fill American DJs order, then they fill Elation Lighting and then they do Blizzard lighting and Mega Lite. Then the night shift is unbranded product sold to a bunch of others who rebrand it with random obscure brands. They might come from the same factory but they aren't built with the same parts or running the same software etc, each manufacturer has it's own specs and Quality Control. A 20% failure rate isn't unsubstantial to someone spending $100k on lights. Maybe it is for someone spending $2k. Big lighting rental companies are beginning to embrace unbranded products however they call the "generic" product by what it's copying, sharpy, atomic strobe, intimidator for example. So what would you rather have? If you know the actual supplier and have enough money you might be able to get an identical product but only for deep pockets not for small players. Personally, I find the brand name is better designed, performs better and is overall more desirable for me and my diverse client needs. If your lights don't have a brand name how are you going to get more of the exact same product or even recommend someone else buy it? Essentially I'm writing the same points I mentioned in the video. Everyone would rather have the brand name, not everyone can afford it and that's totally fine.

NM on the price. You mentioned it was $300. But how do you buy them?

@@_0O0O0O0_ You have to get them directly through dage and the prices were much higher than that with shipping. They have a facebook page where you can get quotes.

@@lostproductionspdx Right on. Thanks.

Hey Lucy, You have many options however I can't really speak to the reliability or quality of all these machines from every manufacturer. Look at the warranty and availability of parts though. Ultratec for example while 2 to 3x the price offer a 5 year warranty. ADJ offers the closest to Chauvet in terms of pricing and model line up. I run ADJ haze machines and they've been reliable for years so far. I'm seeing many negative reviews of lower priced machines. If you want something reliable, you need to increase your budget sadly. ADJ Chauvet Froggys Fog Antari Reel EFX LeMaitre Effects Ultratec Effects Look Solutions MDG Fog

Lost Productions thanks for the reply on an old video

Well at this point they're all used, you won't find any unopened new ones. Plus they're all likely pretty heavily abused. I would just highly recommend you avoid this current gen unless you're using it indoors all the time and it doesn't move much. My needs were too demanding for it though. Go Ultratec if you want made in USA or Antari, Froggys Fog, or ADJ for good Chinese units.

@@lostproductionspdx Well Ultratec looks to be way out of my price range at over 1k and 2k.. Antari doesn't seem to have much of a good selection other than hazers.. ADJ has a nice one out with the LED lights and can be used in different directions, and I'm hearing those are better with the thinner fog that disappears pretty quick, and also they don't have the control that can be used with settings/timer etc.. like the Chauvet has.. So I'm completely out of ideas.. It's for mobile DJing, and the one I was using the ADJ Dynofog died on me.. Those weren't great machines and have been discontinued years ago....

How long did your Dynofog last? Throwing these machines in the car every night definitely takes it's toll. Honestly if you're happy with the dynofog used one's are so affordable. Most of the ADJ machines have timers btw, look under atmospheric/accessories on their site. The remotes are not interoperable so check the manual first. I'm not saying all Chauvet machines are bad but this particular one was very unreliable for me.

Interesting, yeah from my observations the newer machines have a stronger spray of fog at the expense of longevity, pretty inline with those specs. I was thinking it was an age difference but it's likely they just started using a different pump. Those fog fury type machines became really popular maybe they just simplified supplies and started standardizing on parts for ease and cost reasons. If the newer machine didn't constantly break I wouldn't have minded the reduction in continuous output.

That's a great question XD That is all the venues equipment and it has to be going on 10 years of yearly use.

sounds good to be getting that kind of use

@@centerstageentertainment6792 Really doesn't sound awful by any means. Starting to become a bit unreliable though with the age.

keep in mind what you're hearing is a direct recording from the board.

Thanks for the tip!! Did not even notice

How hard is that to figure it out? Can you use the lenses as manual with out the power zoom?

This is true you're paying more and you're getting, a warranty, a manual that's accurate and helps you use the product plus customer support and you're gettting product consistency when you buy more later on. When you get a light without a user manual or you get two lights that don't have the same control channels for dmx, I guarantee it'll drive you crazy XD

what you pay more is not only for better fixture but for the local service

Hey Andre XD Very nice to hear! The older units definitely were high quality. I'm taking the one in this video out for a whole week of work in the hot eastern oregon sun and I think it won't give me any trouble.

To be honest it's been 4 years since they were purchased and I don't remember how long shipping took. As you know because of coronavirus shipping costs have skyrocketed for a multitude of reasons, US port and Chinese. You can message cherry@dagelight.com for ordering and quote info, she also commented on this video.

@@lostproductionspdx thanks for the reply man! Will do!

Just send $1500 for a Sekonic C800U and happily. Liability? Lumens? It uses an 11000 lumen bulb CRI, pretty low most likely.

@@lostproductionspdx liability is because these are known for not having lamp clocks

@@thomasgriffin3474 They have accurate total fixture clocks and lamp clocks. I've been using the same lamps for 3 years without failure. This year they will need to be replaced.

Yeah it's a compromise for sure, but for the price and the need that it accomplishes, definitely worth it for me personally. Just depends on what you're trying to accomplish I suppose.

The trick is b4 to canon ef mount and speedbooster. Does so much better in resolving 4K

​@@ArtandMiserycan you use them for still photos and adjust the Aperture and focus without the power zoom part?

It's definitely inferior, especially when you see them side by side. I can't speak precisely to scientific reasons but older lenses were designed for different camera's, film for example or 3 chip sensors. So the sensor and the lems were never designed to work together. So you get some undesirable image qualities but of course the zoom range is incredibly helpful for certain use cases.

Most of this lenses are for SD cameras so lenses didn't need to be so sharp, with HD cameras new really expensive B4 lenses came out with better quality. Some people say that you avoid SD lenses but I think a lot of them worth it, specially in terms of price and quality.

Pretty nifty, I don't think these lenses are walking lenses though XD

Prices vary based on location, your best bet is to reach out to Dage directly for price and shipping quote. Shipping and tariffs really add up. Price for me < $1k per light delivered.

Thanks for your comments. You should update us in a few months and let us know how often you use it, how long and where you use the unit. Maybe I got a bad run, but the more people that comment the more info we have.

Anything in particular that interests you? I want to, it's fun work.

@@lostproductionspdx I really like your "thrifty" videos (the B4 lens, the DAGE moving head etc.)

@@OliverWagnerOliwerix Tailored content coming your way, thanks for the encouragement btw.

If you're in the Portland OR area, I can offer repair services, however depending on what's wrong, at this price level of machine; sometimes it doesn't make sense to repair them. There are two main parts in the machine that fail, heater or pump.

I notice immediately that the optics look better in your newest model, i can't believe you managed to put cmy and a framing system in as well. That's incredible.

@@lostproductionspdx Yes, this new model GW-4836 BEAM/SPOT/WASH/FRAME also with CMY+CTO, our engineers spent 2 years for R&D, production and repeated testing, now finally finished, the first 1000 pieces will be try out in the market recently.

@@cherrylu7135 I should have done a better job mentioning that yes these are 3 years old, have 100s of hours outside for week long stretches(which they are not built to do) and are still reliably firing up. Have only had to replace fans. I do take very good care of them, always tarped when outdoors for extended periods for example. Very interested in the new units :)

@@lostproductionspdx You are very good at presenting the characteristics of lights. No matter what products have advantages and disadvantages, everyone likes to watch them. Thank you for taking care of them so well. If you need after-sales support and want to try our new products, please feel free to contact me.

@@cherrylu7135 I remember watching your videos before buying them and taking a chance, not really knowing how long they would last for example. This video is exactly what I wanted to know before I bought them, maybe it'll convince some others to take the chance, just keep taking care of your customers and fix problems and your sales will continue to grow.

I hope they see this and get their act together, we don't want to buy crap it's simple right. Like I mention in the video though every body has duds even the biggest most respected names, hope they get it together.

They kinda are

Thanks a bunch, if you have any questions feel free to ask them. Almost every lighting manufacturer has a fixture just like this there are so many options.

Stop spreading false information.

Yeah they aren’t illegal and he isn’t really promoting it

@@croissantproductions it is illegal as its part of the Chinese counterfeit market

He's totally not promoting them. He gives an honest, transparent review for what they do well and what they don't. Why do you say that the lights are illegal?

I love Chauvet stuff, I've used many of their products and own some as well but I really don't understand what happened with this particular product. These machines kicked so much ass and then they changed everything about them. The original units are incredible so it's sad to see the decline in quality. I've learned that every company has duds now and again.

@@lostproductionspdx yeah. I'm getting the Hurricane 1600 and I've heard they got good reviews. It has continuous output even at full volume and DMX comparability. All Chauvet products are made in China as are most products so there will be a small number of faulty units.

@@andrewgrindley6773 i have a 100% failure rate on these 4 units, I'm steering clear of this particular iteration of the product. My needs are more demanding perhaps than the intended audience but the old model filled my needs easily.

@@lostproductionspdx I don't know why this happened. I'm guessing maybe Chauvet switched manufacturers.

No Problem Carolina, like I say in the video all of us put our all into our work and we don't have time for investments that don't last. I've learned that brand names matter up to a point. Some products are great and some are duds. I'm glad the video helped someone.

Really is a lovely effect. To my knowledge the viper in particular has a full wheel that can continously rotate, this rotates back and forth on a section of the wheel. This allows the wheel to host some more fixed gobos. A great compromise in my opinion.

@@lostproductionspdx the viper performance has a continuous animation wheel. The profile has an animation pattern on the 3rd gobo wheel.

@@andrewgrindley6773 Gotcha! So it's very similar to this then, the back and forth on the wheel. Did not know that. I'm considering mythos for my next hyrbids, I can't afford mega pointes but they seem to be the most capable. Any other recommendations for a good hybrid fixture. Mythos is really heavy which is my biggest concern.

@@lostproductionspdx Check out the sharpy plus. It's got all classic hybrid features and weighs only 23kg.

@@lostproductionspdx I would say just continue saving money and go for the megapointes if you want a lightweight fixture with full colour mixing. Chauvet professional also has a new IP65 hybrid coming out which has a good zoom range but doesn't have an animation wheel or colour mixing (13 colours plus white on one wheel).

Thanks for the comment, yeah I was thinking this was isolated to cheaper units but was watching a recording of some Clay Paky mythos units and was somewhat shocked to see very similar on camera issues. I think it's these new short arc lamps in particular though that suffer from this. Knowing that, one could easily swap the fans in these for something quieter and they would be very close to their european competition.

@@lostproductionspdxThe only exceptions are those with beam smoothers and remote hotspot control.

@@andrewgrindley6773 besides the mega pointe(only one I'm aware of) any other units you know offer this ?

@@andrewgrindley6773 you know what this Dage Unit might have a trick up it's sleeve to combat the hotspot. I think one of the gobos acheievs a "beam smoothing" like effect. I'll go test it out

I was wrong there's a gobo that effectively makes the hotspot brighter which can be very ueeful to maximize output. Playing with the unit I would say it's not unuseable on camera, it's just takes more work than an led sourced light for example.