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i played both and for me viscaria makes it easier to generate spin due to its softer touch (increased dwell) compared to boll alc

Thank you !

Have not played with those, only innerforces i've played with are harimoto alc and ovtcharov alc. Chinese Rubbers are really slow, would prefer non-chinese rubber on those blades to get the best out of these blades.

@@HoangVu-mm2wr Ok thank you for this feedback! Does this also hold up for boosted Hurricane 3 Neo rubbers? Or are you talking about unboosted Chinese rubber?

@@antoinenijhuis450 I do boost mine, but each person boost differently. And further more, i might feeling it's too slow because i use Viscaria to compare, and i can tell the speed is decreased when playing with Harimoto/ Ovtcharov.

hmm, I think ZJK can pair with a wide range of rubbers, depends on how soft/hard you want the feeling to be, If Tenergy/Dignics is too expensive, i think Fastarc p1 can be a good rubber for backhand, or DNA pro M is also good. Too many forehand rubbers to choose from, but my personal favorite is Dignics 09c and Hurricane3, heard good review in chinese forum about XIOM Omega VII China Guang but it's slightly heavier, Rakza Z is also good, but i feel like it lacks power if you go little further away from the table, but pretty good control cause the top sheet is very soft. But these forehand rubbers are more spin oriented and require your own power for speed. If you like more speedy rubber, Tenergy 05 hard, Dignics05, XIOM Omega series have pretty soft topsheet and speedy sponge which i like, more conventional pick would be MX-P/MX-P hard

lol, because it's been awhile since I've played Timo Boll ALC that's why I didn't want to include it in too much as my memory is not as fresh. But based on what i've remembered, the outer of Timo is pretty similar to Vis, but the core is softer than Vis, so it has a little more "Feel". Control wise Lin > ZJK > Timo > Vis.

They might be pretty similar in terms of sweet spot. If I really have to rank, probably ZJK/Timo > Vis/LGY

I played with Nittaku Acoustic (Mima Ito's blade )before. It's actually not that slow, it's quick soft and bouncy. The overall feeling is fantastic, the control is also much better than any of the blade mentioned above. But I do like a blade that is slightly harder than my Nittaku, i think it is a little more direct with harder blade. I assume Acoustic is pretty close to Violin ? Among the above blade, ZJK alc is the closest one in terms of feeling, to the Nittaku blade i have, and is slightly faster. I think LGY might be slower than Nittaku's one, although the Nittaku is softer so it stays on the blade longer, whereas LGY will leave the blade faster, but i think it's slower overall since the Nittaku one is bouncier.

@@HoangVu-mm2wr Thank you for your elaborate response! This video helps a lot for me in deciding what blade to purchase! I am leaning toward ZJK ALC or Viscaria at the moment. My friend picked up LGY and said it was a bit too "slow" for him, but it offers very nice control. I like the Nittaku Violin feel, it is a bit slower than Nittaku Acoustic I believe. You suggest that ZJK ALC has a similar feel and is quite "soft". What do you mean exactly by "soft" and "bouncy"? Perhaps this is related to the trajetory of the ball? My Rosewood 7 has quite a flat trajectory when looping. I heard that my Stiga Rosewood NCT VII is also made of softer wood and is quite thick (6.9mm), is this correct? I don't like this blade so much, it feels more suited for blocking because the dwelltime is too short for me. Maybe it just means my technique isn't there yet, but that is my main question for you. Are these composite blades different in feel to a Rosewood 7? Is it easier to loop through backspin for instance with ZJK ALC/Viscaria? Or can a rosewood 7 be compared to fast carbon blades in terms of feel and speed? Also I currently play with Tensor rubbers, are they more suited for ZJK ALC or Viscaria? Thx so much for your time!

@@antoinenijhuis450 By "soft" I mean the dwell time, it stays on the blade longer. As for "bouncy", Just imagine a trampoline, stay on the surface longer, then shoot out the ball. But not all soft blades are bouncy, I guess it has something to do with their glue job that makes the blade bouncy. I have not played with Stiga Rosewood so I cannot compare them, sorry. Both ZJK and Vis are great choices. I like the overall feeling of Vis better, although I wish the outer layer of Vis could be a little softer. For me personally, I think it's easier to pair rubbers with ZJK. Since Vis is a little harder for me, I want to pair it with something softer on the backhand, but seems like rubbers are getting harder and harder nowadays.

@@HoangVu-mm2wr Would you say that ZJK Alc is an excellent blade for looping , or there better options? Or is ZJK ALC more suited for hitting/blocking?

@@antoinenijhuis450 It is exellent for looping

Sorry i have not. But i heard a lot of people compare it to LGY ALC

I haven't heard about that blade, Vega China is a little hard when i pair it on my Viscaria, at least for me.

Don't think the launch angle will be an issue, it will just take time to get used to it. The all Japan 2022 men single champion Shunsuke Togami is also using ZJK ALC as well. He has a killer forehand ;)

I use Hurricane blue sponge on forehand, Nittaku P1 backhand and Viscaria. If i have more money, would probably use Butterfly rubber on the back, but P1 is one of the best backhand rubber i've used, love it to death!

Best control i would say is LGY ALC. ZJK ALC does have a softer feel, but the bounce/speed is higher, which is why i give the edge to LGY. LGY will give you an impression that this blade is hard, but it's actually quite easy to control and not that hard at all, and due to the slower speed, the short game is quite easy.

I think they all are pretty well balanced. Even timo boll alc, which is slightly head heavy, but still very manageable. The LGY ALC i have is very balanced, but might subject to the individual item. Also, if you buy heavier blade, the head heavy feel will also decrease.

@@HoangVu-mm2wr Thank you so much btw how many gram your Lgy and tmb are ( including rubber) ? I’m beginner so you know ...many basic questions but i think that experience you have is so much with 4 good blades. Tks a again!

he is from the older generation. But this is just a friendly match. And his left arm is lifted high enough to where i can see the contact point so it's all good 😁

to be honest, the head heavy feel is very minor. I think beside Boll, the rest are pretty even. In general, if you buy lighter blade, your blade will feel more head heavy than a heavier blade. I think my LGY is the most balance one though. If you still really want a rank, with my given blades ( please consider the individual blade differences too), i would say Boll > Vis = ZJK > LGY.

Thank you for the compliment , i trained with a coach when i was younger (8 or 9) for around 3 years. Then i stopped playing since i couldn't find anyone who play ping pong. started playing again around 3 years ago ever since i found this club. Since i have the foundation, picking it back up was pretty easy.

@@HoangVu-mm2wr That's great, I started playing this sport a month and a half ago almost, but sadly, I'm 19, but I still think I achieve what I want

I can achieve what I want*

@@mohdymi yea, you're still young, with enough passion, you will grow a lot

I think all of them have the center of gravity toward the middle of the blade, whereas Timo Boll one is more toward the head, but not by much.

I did try Mizutani ZLC from my friend for a little bit, however, it was with different rubbers than what I was currently using. ZLC and ALC are quite different, ZLC is definitely more bouncy, so speed-wise Mizutani wins out. Mizutani's outer pile is definitely softer. LGY gives you a feeling that you thought the blade is a little harder, but actually, the blade is quite easy to control. I think they are trying to keep the backhand of Viscaria with that "hard" feeling. I would say these two blades are much more different compared to the other blades I have mentioned above.

@@HoangVu-mm2wr my thoughts also. MJ is Limba outer while LGY is Koto but the kiri core in LGY is softer than ayous in MJ. I previously used Apolonia and have used Harimoto ALC after using Apolonia for 2 years. Harimoto was so well controlled but downfall for me was speed. It lacked the zip of Apolonia. Then I got the MJ and it’s fast but very well controlled and noticed after trying MJ and HM how unstable Apolonia is in terms of blocking. Blocking with MJ and HM was almost automatic. Ideally I’m hoping LGY is inbetween MJ and Apolonia in terms of speed with the control of HM. What are your thoughts before I commit on getting one.

@@deep7496 I have not used Apolonia before, but even then I wouldn't say LGY speed is in between MJ and Apolonia. If you're not happy with Harimoto's speed then you probably won't with LGY either. Seems like you like ZLC better than ALC. I would say try out the innerforce ZLC series instead. But ultimately it's up to you and your capital :)

Hi, I have not used Kenta ALC before, however, he is now using Zhang Jike ALC, as seen in this video th-cam.com/video/1YTw67CURUI/w-d-xo.html

hi, kenta matsudaira is the softest alc blade with koto i've tried. it's not fast and has very good control. it is slower than tb alc, zhang jike alc, and close to tb spirit. very good and balanced blade. weight is about 85 g.

kenta himselft doesn't even use his blade anymore, he uses zhang jike alc if i'm not mistaken

I love all the fastarc series rubber from G1, C1 and P1. C1 is definitely easier to use and control due to the softer sponge. I personally use G1 on forehand and C1 on my back hand. my equipment has now changed to Hurricane forehand and P1 on my backhand.

which rubber that play similar like h3 neo but dont need to boost?

@@sanjihaha8236 everyone has their own opinion and different feeling, but I personally would pick nittaku pk50

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haven't tried either of them. But from what I've read, those two blades are quite soft. and some Chinese forums say LGY is like a small upgrade version of boll spirit, so I assume they are quite similar in feel.

Nittaku huricane turbo orange is super heavy, the blue one is even heavier, and the speed is not that much better than original hurricane, you still have to boost it to get the best out of the rubber, but if you want to boost, might as well use the original hurricane since it's cheaper and has a better reaction to boosting. With that being said, the Nittaku hurricane has much better quality, like the national version. Dignics 09c is very good, but it's very different from hurricane. It's been a while since I play 09c so I can't give you any more impression about the rubber. I personally like pk50. It has a hard sponge but a very soft top sheet. Some rubbers also have a soft top sheet with a hard sponge, but it just feels like they are two different products being put together. pk50 has a good feeling, very good control due to the top sheet. However the speed is not fast, Dignics09c has the fastest speed, pk50 speed is like hurricane with 2 layers of boosting. Far away from the table, hurricane seems to give you more support than pk50. 09c sponge also gives a lot of power when away from the table, but i think hurricane is a little easier to control. Spin department, pk50 is the lowest among the three, which justify the price. I have not boost the pk50, but then again, if you want to boost your rubber, you might as well buy hurricane. Overall I really like pk50

T80 is pretty soft compared to T05, I liked it on my Viscaria a lot. Zhang Jike ALC is quite soft on the outer layer already, it's a soft bouncy feel blade. so even T05 would feel fine on that blade (for me), but T80 would definitely offer more control. These rubbers are much faster than what you currently have, so keep that in mind. Don't overly dwell on the equipment.

@@HoangVu-mm2wr what about Andro Rasanter R42 with Zhang Jike ALC? or Andro Rasanter R42 on Yasake Sweden extra? I am a beginner player and try to find the best set up for me. right now the old set up i have with Yasaka sweden extra with Mark V and Rakza Z kind of slow for me. trying to find a set up that little faster and still have control set up. Thanks

@@ThuanPham-rv9yi I have not tried the R42 yet, I have tried the R47, I did not like it at all, it is however very fast, so I would assume that R42 should be decent in speed too. Butterfly Rozena, Xiom vega Europe are all pretty soft rubber that has good control and decent speed.

@@HoangVu-mm2wr Thanks

@@HoangVu-mm2wr Do you think the Yasaka Z max thickness good pair with Zhang Jike ALC or Yasaka 7? Thanks

L sucks. Feels like i borrowed blade from Lin GY and playing. Not sure why they put L , none of the other players have their initial on their blade

Imagine a big “F” on Fan Zhendong ALC, “L” is still better 😂

L standfor lucky

I did some experiments with my equipment, I think I was using hurricane on the forehand, and Donic Bluefire M2 on the back (Viscaria). I'm currently using Hurricane3 on the forehand and Stiga DNA Pro M on the back, and I quite like this setup. Honorable mention on the forehand rubber would be Nittaku Seiger pk50, slightly sticky rubber with a very soft top sheet which pair well with a hard blade like viscaria. As for the backhand, the M2 hands down has the best control as the sponge is soft and the top sheet is also very soft, but it lacks power/speed especially when you are a little away from the table. In comparison DNA pro M has a harder sponge but quite a soft top sheet which makes the rubber much easier to use, and due to the harder sponge, the speed/power has improved but only sacrificed a little control. ( i guess i really like rubber that has soft top sheet and medium-hard sponge :v )