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there is no single god that got killed by his creation . or god made himself a lamb to kill hhimself to save us from himself . nonsense

Big picture......for every design, there is a DESIGNER. Can the clay tell the POTTER how to shape it??....The answer is in the I AM❤❤❤

Indeed God raises a barrier 💪

I fundamentally trust in Gods wisdom which has always been , spiritual things are spiritually discerned. That said, I use AI. A lot for work emails and report summaries. It is not “evil”, it is a tool. I think the user can definitely be deceived if they let themselves if not careful. Even the very elect.

God didn't want to create robots or authomats, but beings with free will. In other words, each one of the beings created had to choose how to act: for good or for bad, for holiness or for wickedness. Lucifer chose wickedness! 😮

Adam and Eve sinned. God came to them in love and gave them a chance to confess what they had done. Instead they blame each other, the snake and even God Himself. Cain slew Abel. When God came to him and gave him the opportunity to receive forgiveness, he refused. Instead, he complained that his punishment was too severe. Scripture is full of the patience of God. He gives people several chances to repent and they refuse time and time again.

Without evil there would be no righteousness. Without low there would be no high. Without cold there would not be hot. Without dark , no light. and so on and on. This is the nature of Creation and the way things must be.

What of the thief on the cross

God created Satan knowing he wld be evil but God does not fear evil infact he still uses the evil to show his love the only way God cld keep evil is by failing to create free will and that wld make worship not what he desires worship can't be by force u can ask why not fail to create but that turns a selfish idea and maybe boring situation for God

why did God create anything in the first place, he did not need to see what was going to happen, he knew, these expert explanations are only a dog chasing its tail...

Evidence for these claims?

Yes, I agree with the first comment. God did not create satan. He created an angel who rebelled against God, who is now called satan.

Anyone knows why did God send the devil to earth ? Am thinking of other planets and why earth among humans and not elsewhere? Anyone???

The second someone uses a freewill argument I check out. Determinism argues all of our decisions are through previous developments of belief, desire, and temperament. It's basic causality. You're born onto earth as a human without choice, every decision you make afterwards are the causes and effects from that choiceless beginning. The amazing part about this, is Christ judges based on this fact. Hindus and Muslims have had clinical/near death experiences with Christ of all people. So I doubt either of his arguments make sense when you get down to it. I'd argue God has some level of limitations we don't understand in the order he created life, since our interpretation is through a dark lens. Like god could have made man, because man is three dimensional and god is fourth dimensional meaning he can tell our past, present, and future all at once, but he made the devil first as a four dimensional being and it was a mistake or something like that.

Seek and you shall find Do you believe it? I do 100%

Jesus wept. ‘Nuff said.

Just so that people are aware, this is a debated topic and the major protestant consensus is the opposite of this. I'm not well versed in the specific arguments but I know one is the prisoner on the cross (I believe in Matthew) where Jesus says "TODAY you will be with me in paradise"

What about the theif

God DOES hate divorce and to NOT tell this truth in NOT being compassionate. Only when we know the truth, we can be set free. To divorce your covenant spouse AND to marry someone else while your covenant spouse is still alive is to commit adultery (Mark 10:11-12, Luke 16:18 and Romans 7:2-3). No adulterers will inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and Galatians 5:19-21). One can remarry only after the covenant spouse dies (1 Corinthians 7:39 and Romans 7:2-3).

Sir,this is all human mind narrative. Prophets use God as proxies to say or write whatever they want. When prophets say God is talking to them, it is all a deception to trap gullible people. God has not written any holy scriptures,humans write them like novelist write a novel.

If God was to use His foreknowledge not to create a creature nothing would exists and the Love of God would not have any expression.

In the book of Jon, God basically is saying, “I do what I want, when I want and provides no explanation other than His own free will followed by his goodness!

God gave people a choices We must choose to do the rite things Consequences for making wrong choices You can see it everyday in this World There is a War for our souls in the Spirit realm Good and evil But if any one want to know about what is going on in their own lives Ask God He knows us

God love is Everlasting People will fail,you But not God

God new Satan is going to rebel against him That is why He gave His Son Jesus to die on the Cross for Us

The Bible says the devil masquerades as an angel of light. Never once does it say he was one.

Quess your not a calvinist,,that's good

All Creatures have free will Humans, Angelic Beings etc If we didn't have free will we would just be Robots. ‼️‼️⁉️

Jesus is Lord! Yeshua Hamashia!!!!

Shall, mortal man be more just than God ? Shall a man be more pure than his maker ? ( Job 4: 17 kjv) Behold , he put no trust in his servants and His ANGELS He charged with folly ( Job 4:18 kjv) God did not " create" Satan - Satan is the angel that rebel to God - Therefore God kicked him off from heaven and he fell onto the earth like LIGHTning And he said unto them , i beheld Satan as LIGHTning fall from heaven ( Luke 10:18 - kjv) Therefore : And no marvel for Satan himself is transforming into an angel of LIGHT ( 2 Corinthians 11:14 kjv) That is how he deceived billions of people on earth by : There is a way which seemeth right unto a man , but the end thereof are the way of death ( Proverb 14:12 - kjv ) What is the most effective tool that use by Satan to deceive people ? RELIGIONS is the best tool for Satan to deceived peoples - by what methode ? By FALSE DOCTRINES ( its like fake diamond - it look so real but terribly not - 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 ) by what and whom ? By False prophets / false apostles / false teachers ( 2 Peter 2:1-3 ) Therefore - do not trust to every spirits ( pneumata ) - but examine those spirit ( pneumati ) are they from GOD ? ( 1 Jhon 4: 1 ) Do not be foolish / Aphrones ( Ephesians 5: 17 Proverb 14:15 ) Examine everything and hold fast that which is good ( 1 Thessalonians 5:21 ) Do not put your trust in princes nor in the son of man in whom thereis no help ( Psalm 146 : 3-4) -- the 3 princes of the world is - the religion master / the politic king / the economy lord - that the the 3 biggest princesess that rulling whole the world with all kind of lust / competition that cause jealousy and hate and hostility and racism and conflict and threat of war and death ( James 3:16 ) - he say to other " peace " ✌🏼😎 while he is pissing 💦 and preparing the deadly weapons 💣 to attack the other 😨 ( Jeremiah 9:8 ) -- they all are dust in the wind ( Psalm 103: 14 - Job 4:19 ) Do not put your trust in man breath ( Isaiah 2:22 ) Cursed for man who rely on man ( Jeremiah 17:5 ) JESUS is the WORD OF GOD ( Jhon 1:1,14 - Revelation 19: 13 - 16 ) the WORD OF GOD is THE TRUTH ( Jhon 14:6- 17:17 ) JESUS is the WISDOM and POWER of GOD ( 1 Corinthians 1:24 ) JESUS is the SPIRIT of GOD ( Isaiah 61:1-2 - idem - Luke 4: 18 : 19 ) Where the SPIRIT of GOD is , there is FREEDOM ( 2 Corinthians 3:17 ) that is all about the TRUTH = JESUS by mean : If you know the TRUTH ( Jhon 14:6 ) The TRUTH will set you FREE ( Jhon 8:32 ) seek for the perfect law that relating to FREEDOM - the man who live by it ,,he will be happy man ( James 1 : 25 ) But do not use the freedom for wrongdoers nor party of evil but serve each other with love ( Galatians 5:13 - 1 Peter 2:16 ) Just rely to the WORD OF GOD - THE WISDOM and POWER of GOD - THE SPIRIT OF GOD that is YAHUSHUA HA MASIACH = YAH OUR SALVATION = JESUS CHRIST ( 1 Corinthians 2:5 - Acts 4:12 - 1 Jhon 4:14 - Romans 10 :9-10,13 ) -- put your FAITH only to JESUS only as the will of GOD ( Jhon 3:36- 6:28-29,40 ) Beware of false Jesus ( 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 - Matthew 24: 4-5, 24 - Luke 21:8 ) and they are SO MANY of them to day ,,, they are all over the world with various appereances and teaching and religious trade mark to deceive many , they say implicitly or explicitly WE ARE THE ONLY TRUTH -- tell them - 1 Corinthians 4 ; 6-7 , Matthew 23:8-11 - Jhon 13:16 , Proverb 27:1-2

Why get that from a former Satanist when you can from the late Dr Michael Heiser’s books and podcasts?

Was free will create Satan or Lucifer? Will free Will be no more in a saved man in heaven?

Simple answer John is that He didn't create Lucifer. Lucifer (Isa 14v12) means "day star" and simply is a reference to the king of Babylon, who was lifted up in pride and a destroyer of nations ("a man" v16 it says) He was the shining light of the time. Satan is simply as the Hebrew word means 'an adversary' .One who is adverse to the things of God. For example.....Jesus rebuked Peter because he was a Satan (Matt 16v23 ie an adversary to Jesus' mission) God did not create a rebellious Angel. God's will is done in heaven, Angels can't and don't sin. The book of Revelation teaches about a "war in heaven " but that is symbolical of the war in the high places of power, and was between Constantine and the Pagans AD 300. pagan powers were cast out of dominion in the Roman world! We need to read our Bibles closely ,checking the context, compare scripture with scripture ,check history and be very careful of the many false teachings out there. Thanks Wayne . NSW Aussie

I got through two minutes of enormous piece of baloney and that was it. Where do they find these people.

You made a dubious truth claim. God knows all possible futures but there is no settled future.. he created Satan, but Satan rebelled. God knew this was possible, but not settled.

Omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent. . He is worthy of all praise. But that also means He is responsible for all evil.

No such thing as free will.

Do fallen angels automatically receive more power and authority?

"Why did God create Lucifer? Didn't God know he would rebel?” Well, there is no mind blowing philosophy behind the reason '"Why did God create Lucifer? Didn't God know he would rebel?” ' The answer to that is simple as 'abc' in Islam. In Islam, life is but a 'Test of Belief and Faith'. Briefly answering, a 'test' is never a test without being tempted with 'Good and Evil.' Since God is only 'Good', He does only the 'Good temptations' through His angels, while to do the 'Evil' part, He created the Lucifer earlier and groomed him for this reason, knowing well, he would be the best candidate for this through His foreknowledge.

The title is faulty. God did not create Lucifer !!!

To test our legion

Lucifer was created to protect the mercy seat of GOD. GOD gave free will and that is why things might go south.

Why Were We Created? We are in this world because we committed a horrendous crime, and thislife is our chance to redeem ourselves, denounce our crime, and rejoin God's kingdom. It all began a few billion years ago when "a feud arose in the Heavenly Society" (38:69). One of the high-ranking creatures, Satan, entertained supercilious thoughts that his God-given powers qualified him to be a god besides God. He thus challenged God's absolute authority. Not only was Satan's idea blasphemous, it was wrong - only God, and no one else, possesses the qualifications and ability to be a god. Consequent to Satan's blasphemy, a division occurred in the Heavenly Society, and all constituents of God's kingdom became classified into four categories: 1. Angels: Creatures who upheld God's absolute authority. 2. Animals: Creatures who rebelled but then accepted God's invitation to repent. 3. Jinns: Creatures who agreed with Satan; that he is capable of being a "god." 4. Humans: Creatures who did not make up their minds; they failed to make a firm stand with God's absolute authority. The Most Merciful The angels expected God to banish the creatures who did not uphold His absolute authority (2:30). But God is Most Merciful; He decided to give us a chance to denounce our mistake, and informed the angels that He knew what they did not know (2:30). God knew that some creatures deserved a chance to be redeemed.If you claim the ability to fly a plane, the best way to test your claim is to give you a plane and ask you to fly it. This is precisely what God decided to do in response to Satan's claim. God created seven vast universes, then informed the angels that He was appointing Satan as a god on the tiny mote called "Earth" (2:30). The Quranic accounts related to appointing Satan as a temporary "god" (36:60) confirm the previous scripture. God's plan called for creating death (67:1-2), then bringing the humans and jinns into this world. Thus, they start over without any biases, and exercise full freedom to uphold God's absolute authority or Satan's polytheistic theory. To make this crucial decision, every human being receives a message from God advocating His absolute authority, as well as a message from Satan pushing his polytheistic principles. To give us a headstart, the Most Merciful gathered all the human beings before Him, prior to sending us to this world, and we bore witness that He alone is our Lord and Master (7:172). Thus, upholding God's absolute authority is a natural instinct that is an integral part of every human being. After putting the rebels to death, the souls of humans and jinns were placed in a special depository. God then created the appropriate bodies to house the souls of jinns and humans during the test period. The first jinn body was made from fire, and Satan was assigned to that body (15:27). The first human body was created from earthly material, clay (15:26), and God assigned thefirst human soul to that body. The divine plan called for the angels to serve the humans on earth - guard them, drive the wind and rain for them, distribute provisions, etc. This fact is stated in the Quran allegorically: "Your Lord said to the angels, `Fall prostrate before Adam.'" Satan of course refused to have anything to do with serving the human race (2:34, 7:11, 17:61, 18:50, 20:116). You, Lucifer, said in your heart: "I will scale the heavens. I will set up my throne. Above the stars of God. I will take my seat. on the Mount of Congregation, in the recesses of the North. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will be like the Most High!" [Isaiah 14:13-15] The devil then took Jesus up a very high mountain and displayed before him all the kingdoms of the world in their magnificence, promising: "All these will I bestow on you if you prostrate yourself in homage before me." At this, Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! Scripture has it:`You shall worship the Lord your God; Him ALONE shall you dore.'” [Matthew 4:8-10] & [Luke 4:5-8] While Adam's body remained on earth, the real person, the soul, was admitted into Heaven in the outermost universe. God gave Adam certain commandments, represented by the forbidden tree, and Satan was appointed as Adam's companion to deliver to Adam his satanic message. The rest is history. Every time a human being is born, a human person is assigned to the new baby from the depository of souls. God assigns the souls in accordance with His knowledge (28:68). Every soul deserves to be assigned to a certain body, and live under certain circumstances. God alone knows which souls are good and which souls are evil. Our children are assigned to our homes in accordance with God's plan. An independent jinn soul is also assigned to the new human being to represent Satan's point of view. While the physical body of any jinn is reproduced from the parent jinns, the jinn soul is that of an independent individual. Jinns are descendants of Satan (7:27, 18:50). The assigned jinn remains with the human being from birth to death, and serves as the main witness on the Day of Judgment (50:23). A continuous debate takes place in our heads between the human soul and the jinn soul until both of them are convinced of one point of view. The Original Sin Contrary to common belief, the "Original Sin" was not Adam's violation of God's law when he ate from the forbidden tree. The original sin was our failure to uphold God's absolute authority during the Great Feud. If the human person convinces his or her jinn companion to denounce that original sin, and uphold God's absolute authority, both creatures are redeemed to God's eternal kingdom on the Day of Judgment. But if the jinn companion convinces the human being to uphold Satan's idolatrous views, then both creatures are exiled forever from God's kingdom. To promote his point of view, Satan and his representatives advocate the idolization of such powerless creatures as Muhammad, Jesus, Mary, and the saints. Since we are here due to our polytheistic tendencies, most of us are easy prey for Satan. Satan's incompetence as a "god" has already been proven by the prevalence of chaos, disease, accidents, misery, and war throughout his dominion (36:66). On the other hand, the human beings who denounce Satan, uphold God's absolute authority, and refrain from idolizing powerless and dead creatures like Jesus and Muhammad, are restored to God's protection - they enjoy a perfect life here in this world and forever. Because our life in this world is a series of tests designed to expose our polytheistic ideas, idol worship is the only unforgivable offense (4:48, 116). The world is divinely designed to manifest our decision to uphold either God's absolute authority, or Satan's idolatrous views (67:1-2). The day and the night change constantly to test our willingness to uphold God's laws by observing the Dawn Prayer and fasting during the hottest and longest days. Only those who are totally certain about God's absolute authority are redeemed (26:89).

God didn't create Satan. Jesus once said How could Satan act against Satan his kingdom would crumble.

The Bible says God made evil and good

Multiple universe? Did sin slip into heaven from the outside? Who prescribed to God that it would cost the life of His only begotten Son to bring reconcilliation?

God knows ! It just that every positive needs a negative, to exist. You flow from positive to negative and return to the positive.. A better question is where did the positive come from…

He didn't, Lucifer degraded into Satan by wanting to be like God. READ YOUR BIBLE.

If only 8 people would have survived, then the human population would be deveststed by the amount of inbreeding that would be required to reach a normal population.

It's all.part of an insane plot.