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@@UrsusObesus Wow 8 seems like they should have run into that limit all the time during testing. At least 250 feels kind of rare to get to in Magic so it's not too often it makes a difference.

@@Ving4dor Haha I wish! It'd be fun to see how high it would let my life total go.

@@fluffyfang4213 Haha that's awesome - that's interesting it kept trying all the way to a crash. We had something similar once where effects kept triggering more new effects so it eventually popped up a message that unless a different action was taken it would end the game in a draw. Neither of us could play anything different so the game just ended lol. Maybe the difference was since you generated all the effects at once instead of continually adding a couple more.

@@tennex7454 I haven't heard too much about the new game but hopefully! From the few games of Commander I've played in person I think I remember them being longer games with larger decks, so it could be more common to want to accumulate a lot of stuff.

@@mykyrox Haha that's fantastic, how much life did you end up with?

I don't think it's possible to have a creature block more than one creature, but it should be possible to have as many creatures as you want block one creature when you're defending. In this clip my friend had blocked with almost all his creatures just for fun, but since it didn't have trample this probably wouldn't happen in a regular game. There is a new mechanic that lets the attacker choose how to distribute damage that's newer than this clip, but I think the same thing would have still happened.

@@PQuas I think I've had at least some of them in most versions of this deck but I've never tried heavily stacking one of the Kamis. Maybe I'll have to try that and fit something really expensive in the deck to pay for with it

Yeah we were just messing around in this one, but in ranked matches it's great to see a 1/1 block if I'm hiding an Overprotect or something else that gives trample. This level of counters hasn't shown up in a competitive game but it's not too hard to get to 20 or so and be enough for a surprise win in one go.

Thanks! It was a fun game! It's been cool trying to figure out which Foundations cards will fit in best with this strategy or just shenanigans too

@owlzio it's crazy. So many of the cards are simple and straightforward and in some cases it just makes them really flexible I guess.

@@JayTheDragonKing So far I've been experimenting with some of the hydras since they have +1/+1 counter mechanics too. Can't tell if it's made the deck better overall though since it's a little higher average mana cost. The Gnarlid Colony is nice for automatically giving all creatures with counters trample

Is that the Planeswalker where he can just win if he has enough extra life? I think I've seen that a couple times. Feels really strong with how quickly these angel life gain decks go.

@owlzio 0: if you have at least 15 more life than you started the game, exile Ajani and all creatures and artifacts your opponents control

@@matteokellermannguedes3543 Haha oh no - someday I'll figure out how to counter board wipes and creature removal but I definitely haven't yet

@@owlzio Ajani is the only solution in an Angels mirror match (I play them in Explorer). About board wipes, at least in Standard, I also find it tricky to protect my creatures since the most used wipe is Sunfall, which exiles, so indestructible is not an option.

@@matteokellermannguedes3543 Lol imagining an angel deck mirror match up just makes me think of that one episode of the Pokemon cartoon where they just have their Metapods harden back and forth for hours

@@anthonycannet1305 Haha I just need to find a way to use this mechanic but put the counters on one of those creatures that must be blocked by all available blockers and it'd be perfect.

Glad you enjoyed it! I'm excited to see what similar decks might be possible with the new stuff in Foundations too

@@owlzio trust me, there is a doubling season reprint (i pulled it in prerelease) pair that with your deck and...

@@Yuvihakla Oh man it looks like those are mythic but I might have to get them cause that's really strong. I wonder if I could fit token creation into this deck too so I'd get both benefits. Thanks for the idea to watch for that card!

Lol nope just silly, and fans of big Tumblewaggs

@@Mazz-Mayhem That sounds awesome! Was that in an in-person game? As far as I can tell the max is quite a bit lower in MTG Arena. That sounds super fun for a tabletop game but I'd be nervous about getting the math right.

@@owlzio it was a commander game with friends.

@@owlzio did the math on my calculator to make sure I didn't mess up the math

@@giacomogiliberti2673 That looks interesting! Could work well I think, but I'd have to see if I could get enough card types in my graveyard for it to have its full effect. I think I have a couple of these from packs I've opened though, so I might go ahead and give it a try. Thanks for the suggestion!

@@jo-yodance4526 Yeah this was actually a game with a friend and once he was clearly winning due to all the flying angels he had out we'd just started messing with making the Tumblewagg large and having it interact with other things. I think the Tumblewagg and Roaming Throne combo can be legitimately good though since it stacks up so fast. I have a few copies of Overprotect in my deck so the most common win condition I've had is if I get a large creature and then they block with just one creature, and if I give my creature trample and hexproof at the last moment it can one-shot them. If you're interested the video linked from this one shows the rest of the context of what's going on here.

Haha yeah I think I've noticed the sound effect for attacks changes with the power of the creature, and once the power is this high it does get really intense. Wonder if that caps at some normal number or if it just keeps getting louder lol

That's a good thing to point out! His ability to double for all your creatures at once works well if you've got multiple creatures you're stacking (which is probably better in most cases than maxing out one creature). I do have one of him in my deck, but I usually try to play him early if I have him to take advantage of his landfall ability and it seems like he's always getting taken out by cut down or fell or some card that gives -2/-2, does 3 damage, or exiles creatures. Maybe I need to be holding on to him for later. I've also been stingy with my mythic wildcards, but maybe it's worth getting more than one soon. I've also experimented with Ozolith, the Shattered Spire and Kami of Whispered Hopes, which can also speed up adding counters, especially with Innkeeper's Talent, but Bill works better than Kami I think since he starts at 2/2 and works for Saddling without having to spend a counter on him. If I put some high mana costs in my deck it'd be pretty fun to pay for them with a really stacked Kami though. Thanks again for the comment and suggestion!

​@@owlzio kami taps for mana tho, which lets you get board advantage quicker

I might have to try putting them back in, seems potentially worth it with the mana and the synergy for counters. It's so hard getting down to 60 cards lol

@owlzio i definitely agree

Turns out the maximum number of counters you can put on a Tumblewagg is 1,073,741,823! (2^30-1 - I'm still curious why it doesn't cap at 2^31-1 like most 4-byte ints.) We did get there later in the game but this was probably the funniest moment cause of the creatures blocking and getting replaced.

​@@owlzio that last bit is probably being used to hold some other info

@@EpicShadeSlayerSauce Yeah I feel like that has to be the case too. I can't quite figure out what it'd be though. Shouldn't be whether the counters are positive or negative since it's already giving up a bit for the sign. Not sure if it could be for status things like flying or indestructible etc. cause there's more than two options? Maybe whether it's tapped or not? I guess it could also secretly be a 64-bit integer instead and just be hiding a bunch of other information.

2 roaming thrones is crazy

@@MAXYIGA441 Nice work beating her on radiant! That build sounds interesting - I might go for Weaversong or Grimmchild too for some more long range passive damage. Sharp shadow might help but for me I wouldn't be used to the distance and I bet I'd immediately hit the spikes lol

@@owlzio i only have glowing womb so that's why I used it. I just got back into hollow knight after stopping around may 5. I just use sharp shadow for her up and down attack. I forgot about grimchild 😆

@@MAXYIGA441 Oh whoops, hope I didn't spoil any charms you don't have yet! But with sharp shadow sounds like you're pretty far so hopefully not. Glad you're back to the game, just in time to wait for Silksong :)

@@owlzio oh I know about them already. I am excited for silksong. The time it is taking says it will be great. Also this is what my dad says makes sens: heavy blow is good for bosses with quick stagers so you can make them faster. Probably my 2nd fav boss. Don't worry about spoilers. I already know about it most, likely

It's probably not for everybody, and it does have enough counters to be fairly situational, but it did win enough to get me to mythic! :) It's also nice that the cards themselves are only rare, so they're a little cheaper to get.

That's a great idea! I'll remember to do that in the future. I don't have the exact deck from this game anymore but I added the current version of it to the description now. Thanks!

Haha I'll say! In the parts I played I don't think any of the tutorial opponents or players in the tutorial challenges had cards and combos like the ones I've seen since. I finally started winning some more games though, just made it to Silver tonight!

Glad to show a good counterexample! I've definitely had some cards and opponents that felt too good for me to be playing against so early, but this one was a surprisingly close and good game. I thought I was done for once they got that combo going.

Thanks, and thanks for the advice! I'd ignored the difference between the two cards in this game but that makes a lot of sense to be setting up future card draws sooner rather than later. I've also noticed there's a few different effects, like surveil and scry, and maybe search or explore too? Not sure what's different between those yet.

Haha yeah I think I had pretty much perfect luck getting all those instant cards and just enough life from lifelink to live at the beginning. I was expecting to lose at any moment so this was a nice surprise. I'm curious if he got lucky drawing his Forge so soon or if the deck is set up so he always should get one by then. Thanks for watching the game and the comment!

@@owlzio possibly both, and no worries at all man, ive recently just got into MTGA (maybe 4weeks ago) and just managed to hit Daimond ranked lastnight! having such a fun time playing this game and always learning.. funnily enough ive watched maybe 2 youtube videos on this ever, your vid came as "recommended because you watched" and i NEVER click those... but YOU GOT ME WITH THE TITLE. very glad you did, imma subscribe and watch you more :) this is a game i wanna live stream alot too so im keen to learn more deck styles as i grow as a player :)

Sounds like you've had a lot of success already! I think I've only won 3 or 4 games total so I'm climbing quite a bit slower. This was a fun one though, and with how it worked out maybe my deck isn't as outmatched as I thought it was. This is the only video I've made on MTGA so far, but I'll have to try to post more if I see cool decks or have a good game. Thanks again!