the conversation shifts to national security, exploring vulnerabilities at points of entry, the rise of drones, and unsettling connections between historical U.S. actions, Syria, and Al Qaeda. The discussion expands into MK Ultra, theology, and the duo's personal journeys through deconstruction. Clayton highlights the transformative power of challenging rigid beliefs, while Justin draws parallels between simulation theory, reincarnation, and video game-like perspectives on existence. As a lighthearted close, Clayton shares his obsession with running form, hinting at a blend of athletic ambition and self-improvement.
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