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@@R4MUSICxVx Modern metal strings at A440

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While visiting Kranichstein Castle on November 30, 2018, Donald Maurice had the opportunity to play the viola d’amore from the collection of the Landgrave of Hesse-Darmstadt, the actual instrument that was used nearly 300 years ago by the leader of Christoph Graupner's orchestra, Johann Jakob Kress, to perform the 49 works written by Graupner that feature the viola d'amore

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To be honest, we really don't know. If an original manuscript exists nobody knows where it is, and the structure of the piece suggests it is not from the baroque era. All we can really say is that it is in the baroque style. Its true origin remains unconfirmed.

I think I agree, this in insanely great

Thank you Artur. It's very nice to hear from you Happy New Year to you too.

Thank you Michael and yes, it is a remarkable work

Imagine how great it actually is, when played properly, on the right instruments on the right pitch!

Fair enough - but it is better to hear this music than not at all ! That is why this performance is of value 😮​@@danyelnicholas

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Thank you John, yes the music is amazing

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Do you ask the same question when the music of Bach, Handel, Vivaldi, Telemann etc is played on modern instruments? They all died before 1760. Do you think Bach's 24 Preludes and Fugues should not be played on the piano? The intention of the film was to bring to life the music of an under represented baroque composer, not to recreate a performance as it might have been heard in the 18th century.

@@KiwiPolishMusic yes, I do ask the same puzzled question concerning any music that is performed on wrong instruments. Modern instruments with their metal strings and pipes and shrieking pitches seem to have been designed to make more subtle, earlier music sound bad. I was brought up playing Bach and Haydn on the piano. Once played on the instruments their music was written for all the brutality and pomp are stripped away, the music emerges. IMHO the difference is particularly glaring in string and wind instruments that were so much more discrete and mellow in the 17th and early 18th centuries. As you pointed out, Graupner was an outstandingly idiomatic orchestrator, thus he deserves proper instruments. If you can‘t get a period orchestra why not rather play his marvellous trio sonatas?

@@danyelnicholas Points noted. I look forward to hearing a specialist period instrument group perform and post this music.

can't you see the harpsicord and the Viola dAmore? what are you talking about?!

@@danyelnicholas not metal strings, synthetic gut. Bach was brought to attention playing 'modern' instruments, (but this also a bullshit, since the violin form was fixed in 1570 by Amatim and the ones used even now are not that different) at Felix Mendelssohn times! If it was for people like you, we would be here still waiting to hear most od the Baroque music, before the wave of the period instrument age! I heard bad period instrument rendition, and exellent ones from 18 sec violins, it depend from the musician mostly.

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1) They are not modern at all, they are 1700 style strings, and Graupner was not even 20 year old in the 1700, plus 7:09 maybe you need glasses. 2) the word is not ideomatic, but idiomatic, in any case, on the contrary, His music it's very particular and far-reaching far beyond the canons of the time. 3) From your comment I deduce, or rather I intuit, you are probably the usual nihilistic detractor, who wants to downplay the great Artists, and who perhaps doesn't even believe in the greatness of Art, and focuses in a stupidly meticulous way on trying to find the defects, ( as in this case, in this grandiose work of these good musicians) criticizing the use of the instruments, and in any case, making mistakes in this too.

@@Daniel.W.Bridge why so rude? I am merely a person who loves Graupner and his profoundly idiomatic music. By that I mean he knew a lot about instruments and wrote for very peculiar ensembles that sound amazing when played at the right pitch with the right kind of string, bow, reed, bore, timber etc. BTW English is not my native tongue but that of Graupner, so please be so kind as to forgive occasional slips. And I do wear glasses. Maybe I need period spectacles…

@@Daniel.W.Bridge… most of the strings use Tourte bows, they all appear to have metal strings and the flute is Boehm system. That is not 18th c by any stretch of imagination. And they play at 440 Hz. So there is no attempt at all to capture the specific sounds that Graupner had in mind.

@@Daniel.W.Bridge … did you look at the score? It clearly calls for the two soloists, two violins, viola, fagoto and cembalo. No celli, no violone. So if it wouldn’t be a modern Heckel type bassoon it would be utterly drowned out. So would be a historically correct flute and vda. The real piece as written is a much more intimate and subtle thing, nothing for a church. I am only asking for werktreue, in my experience it leads to the best results.

To me your post is rude, as I wrote, neglecting the beauty of the music and the fabulous commitment of these guys, to whom only your gratitude should go, you went for a capricious and inane comment.

Modern instruments playing 18th century music

@@KiwiPolishMusic that's like mediaeval surgical instruments operating modern ulcers.

@@danyelnicholas Actually many of the finest "modern" string instruments date from the same time as Graupner.

@@KiwiPolishMusic I am sure you are aware of the differences between a 1730 setup (bow, gut strings, lower pitch, shorter, less angled neck with less substantial bass bar) and the modern one, that changes sound and response of the string instruments brutally. Graupner wanted all his scores to be burned after his death---he was a very sensitive person---maybe he anticipated something like that.

@@danyelnicholas While spending time at the Christoph Graupner Gesellschaft In Darmstadt in 2018, I learned that the story about Graupner wanting his music to be burnt after his death was misinformation and was most likely confused with his assistant, who considered his music inferior to his master. Perhaps you could approach the director of the Gesellschaft for more information about that. While in Darmstadt I contributed to, and with the Mayor, unveiled a plaque outside the council building, dedicated to the great Christoph Graupner. th-cam.com/video/CNnWElwCEbo/w-d-xo.html While there I also had the opportunity to play the actual viola d'amore that the leader of Graupner's orchestra played. th-cam.com/users/shortsElVRUJzlXM8 Here is an interview with Ursula Kramer, the Director of the Christoph Graupner Gesellschaft, in which we discuss playing Graupner's music in the 21st century. th-cam.com/video/3GQOKDn54RM/w-d-xo.html I am very well acquainted with the set up of baroque string instruments and have performed in ensembles using original instruments. For this project I worked with a group of young musicians in Poznan utilising modern set up and A-440 pitch. I am sorry you find the result unsatisfactory. I am happy with it. I am also happy to hear the music of Bach, Vivaldi, Telemann, Handel and all baroque composers played on baroque set up and pitch, or on modern set up and pitch. i wish you well in your chosen pathway and consider this discussion closed.

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I would have liked to see more of the bassoonist too and yes, she played beautifully

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That is a fair comment. However, it was an unexpected encounter with the owner of the viola d'amore and his instrument, and I hadn't chosen my shirt that morning with this in mind.

@@gemmamaurice9749 Thank you for clarifying the situation for me. I thought it was a planned event! By the way, I am a little picky about colors because I am an artist, lol.

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