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Yeah, its interesting to hear that perspective/interpretation as well. Some other listeners have also told us they hear him 'phoning it in', while others are aligned with what you are hearing-- that's the great part listening to The Fall, in general. It may also come down to the mix on this album, and the way his vocals sit in there. Related, I just read that MES was struggling, health-wise, with seizures at the time, so it may have (assumption:) influenced his vocal delivery in some aspect. The next time I re-listen to this one, I'm going to put it in the Lou Reed context (obviously one of his inspirations; vocally/lyrically), which will be a fun future listen.

Keep listening, we're sure to get worse! Enjoy mate.

@@WeAreTheFallPod Looking forward to Shiftwork, a personal fave.

Agreed. The Shift-work / Code: Selfish 1-2 punch should be a fun ride. Get the ‘machines’ warmed up.

Which one do you like?

@@WeAreTheFallPod Really like em both - there's a whole bunch of B-sides for Extricate, almost like a whole alt-albums worth of stuff actually

Yeah we’re actually planning on getting into some of those as well.

@@WeAreTheFallPod Do it man, is it possible to have enough Fall??

Haha! I like that a lot more ('There's a Puritan Ghost in my House').

Yes, it was. I believe in the Union Hall of Victoria University, from what we've read.

@@WeAreTheFallPod Yes, the show was in the Union Hall. It was broadcast live on the student Radio Active. I was at the gig. The opening acts were Riot 111 and (I think) Naked Spots Dance. I believe, for The Fall's Christchurch concert, The Clean opened for them!

@@WeAreTheFallPod I saw Fugazi there. Ian MacKaye punched a guy in the face for trying to dance.

@@calstonjew @WeAreTheFallPod 54 seconds ago Glad Marc Riley wasn't at that Fugazi gig!

Yeah, totally. Brix's favorite film! So understandable in her placing that line in L.A.-- never knew that Vixen was also (possibly) a Russ Meyer reference as well. That's cool. Makes sense being the first X-rated film-- probably intriguing to both Brix/MES. Will have to check that one out... if our moms let us.

@@WeAreTheFallPod I didn't know it was her favourite film, thanks for that. Loving the podcast.

@@andrewryan1500 Cheers, Andrew!

I need ma Brix in the 80s

@@branchleader73 Yeah, you definitely gotta appreciate the Brix Bop while it's there, for sure, because it only rarely happens again after she leaves (and comes back, and leaves).

@@WeAreTheFallPod Get yo Brix fix while you can!

I hear it!

Hahaha Let's get into it!

@@WeAreTheFallPod A bit harsh by me I must admit but you have to understand that getting into The Fall in the late 80's when I was around 14 and loving all that I heard, I didn't think it was possible for them to make something I didn't like - the 90s proved me wrong

@@branchleader73 Makes absolute sense. I think we have all experienced this with our favorite artist(s). It's so rare to find one that does not have that unfortunate 'down' period. Still, all the more fun to explore again.

@@WeAreTheFallPod Absolutely. Thanks for the pod guys, loving your work.

hahahaha ☠

Explains why it was only sent to critics/writers and not fans... Can’t risk lowering the 50,000 Fall fan population, even by one.

@@WeAreTheFallPod 😆 (I always thought that 50k figure was a a bit optimistic tbh)

Yes, agreed with the Replacements. Someone also suggested Guided by Voices, which I like as an American comparison very much.

I’m thinkin from a similar area and not to pick nits with ya but Husker Du seems more The Fall-ish. Bob Mould and Mark E seem like kindred spirits to me. No regard for pop radio song structure/ length. True outsiders revered by those in the know. My 2 cents. Love the pod.

And GBV definitely agree w that. Alcohol and speed right?

@@jameswood608 Bob Mould, Bob Pollard, and MES walk into a pub... would love to see it.

Yes for sure! We actually just found out about this album so we're really looking forward to checking it out.

Hahah not even close, unfortunately.

Just heard Funky Si say (on his podcast) that MES was a great dancer too! Cheers Michael!

Yeah, Trinity is my favorite as well. Also, NDE is somewhat Fall-like in concept (lyrically) but definitely not in sound. When they go into that more 'Fates' sound, it really does it for me.

@@WeAreTheFallPod I almost wanna say Trinity is the most conventional arrangement and tune of the lot. Are we secret normies??

@@Unfunny_Username_389 Ha! It's no secret, if it comes down to female choir vocals over untuned guitar.

@@Unfunny_Username_389 Also, the 'less is more' approach to arrangement is definitely more fitting for this group, especially in relation to some of the tracks that have a lot more going on (see: Gaslighting).

Agreed! It feels like even on Kurious Oranj, they attempted to get back to that weird/twisted pop sound (especially after Frenz) once more, before heading into the 90s...

Someone on Patreon told us this as well, but not with this context (of the deemed significance/importance)-- Thanks! Who would have thought the text/information of a census could be so dramatic. Haha! But what do you make of the 'Payoff' then? I can perceive it as one of MES's favorite situations, where the government/government official is literally paid off, or even what nation is providing as a sacrifice to postpone the doomsday. Either way, very fun stuff.

Behind the Counter, great choice! I'm with you. Also, cannot wait to get to Fall Heads Roll.

@@WeAreTheFallPod I would get so much shit for this but most days it's may favourite album by the group. I know it should be Hex, or something. But fuck it. 😁

@@Unfunny_Username_389 Haha! I'm down with this.

Anyone else hear the likeness of the synth riff on Shoulder Pads to the theme tune of crap 70's BBC sitcom "Are You Being Served"? We know Smith was a bit of a magpie with sounds.

Not familiar with the show but can definitely hear a similarity in that ascending melodic line. Wouldn’t be surprised if Shoulder Pads 7 is unearthed with a cash register sound effect mixed in: th-cam.com/video/Mz6wvKUsP6M/w-d-xo.htmlsi=d4xuf0rIjPZrevca

Thanks Martin! That means a lot / glad to have you. See ya at the next one, mate!

@WeAreTheFallPod yeah, see ya mate!

Love how he leaned into the 'Funky Si' nickname (hard!). hahaha!

@@WeAreTheFallPod I love how we all lean into it. 😆

'Circles of hash' is much more visual and makes more sense (especially from a MES perspective). On The Annotated Fall they have 'cash' listed, but also, some even refer to that line being 'glass' (Re: Rough Mix version). Cheers!

thanks for putting that in brother it was driving me crazy cuz I knew he didn't produce perverted by language LOL

Haha! Leckie has produced some of my favorite albums ever. Seems like a nice guy as well.

@@WeAreTheFallPod I love him for giving Stone Roses some truth during the recording of their second album.

​@@WeAreTheFallPodyeah I remember seeing his name a lot of the XTC stuff back in the day

Cheers to that, mate!

Agreed!

Interesting, I can definitely see (hear) that perspective. I think there's something unique in the simplicity of this one, especially as they are about to transition into an era of 'over-polished' (more pop) riffs, which takes away from some of the band's edginess at times.

@@WeAreTheFallPod Sorry didn't mean to go in so hard on this one and I'm over stating my point. Yes they certainly get more polished here on in 80's wise but that somehow adds to the weirdness for me although Spectre vs Rector will always be a fave of mine too :D

@@branchleader73 Haha its all appreciated!

Wats not to dig fuckn great fall album neighboor hood of infinity voxish wings GARDDEn and while eating myself fitter il put my claim in to tempo housesmiling and time travelling to nurenburg as good a release as hex in my eaers

@@lukeheywood7334 I find it a bit boring and unmemorable compared to the other early 80's albums, sounds like they need some fresh ideas to me

Awesome! Thanks for the kind words. Cheers mate!

Jealous! One of our all-time favorite sets!

No idea! But I could see that as a diss track as well. Would love to know.