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Songs of Conquest - PvP With Commentary - Shemix (Loth) VS Dwarfogus (Barya)
This is a recap and analysis of PvP game between Shemix and Pavel in the recent semi-final of the Russian trial tournament. You will see how the game goes from each player’s screen, from round 1 to the final fight, and I will discuss the possible reasons behind each strategic action a player makes.
Gameplay videos are from these Twitch channels:
Thrash: www.twitch.tv/thrash_lab
Shemix: www.twitch.tv/mr_shemix_
Pavel: www.twitch.tv/lm_y0ur_dad
0:00 - Introduction
0:37 - Tournament info
1:36 - Map and template info
2:05 - Possibly strongest early game META
4:22 - Marjatta - Round 1-2
10:03 - Everthink - Round 1-3
18:07 - Marjatta - Round 3-4
24:17 - Everthink - Round 6-9
38:03 - Marjatta - Round 10-11
43:07 - Everthink - Round 11
44:05 - Marjatta - Round 13
45:58 - Everthink - Round 13
50:02 - Marjatta - Round 14
50:48 - MAJOR & FINAL FIGHT
Correction:
39:50 - Placing the wielder right below the gate DOES NOT block the enemy's wielder from getting out. But it does prevent the enemy from getting in afterward. This is true for all town sizes. For details, see this diagram: drive.google.com/file/d/1Lyodd7PabK74lt2GcP1_HRSy9Quug_CO/view?usp=sharing
Gameplay videos are from these Twitch channels:
Thrash: www.twitch.tv/thrash_lab
Shemix: www.twitch.tv/mr_shemix_
Pavel: www.twitch.tv/lm_y0ur_dad
0:00 - Introduction
0:37 - Tournament info
1:36 - Map and template info
2:05 - Possibly strongest early game META
4:22 - Marjatta - Round 1-2
10:03 - Everthink - Round 1-3
18:07 - Marjatta - Round 3-4
24:17 - Everthink - Round 6-9
38:03 - Marjatta - Round 10-11
43:07 - Everthink - Round 11
44:05 - Marjatta - Round 13
45:58 - Everthink - Round 13
50:02 - Marjatta - Round 14
50:48 - MAJOR & FINAL FIGHT
Correction:
39:50 - Placing the wielder right below the gate DOES NOT block the enemy's wielder from getting out. But it does prevent the enemy from getting in afterward. This is true for all town sizes. For details, see this diagram: drive.google.com/file/d/1Lyodd7PabK74lt2GcP1_HRSy9Quug_CO/view?usp=sharing
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Good video! tks u very much, Keep trying to make more videos like this ^^
very nice video! learned alot, hope to see more pvp matchs very informative commentary!
Actually watched until the end, I like the decisions out loud. Only 12 rounds over 2 hours, that's some next-level meticulous planning, I run through 20 rounds in line 15 minutes and don't accomplish much, never imagined that much progress could be done so fast! Although I only got 70h in the game. I think you could've grown faster if you just took the mines along the way. You had amber mine right at the start but you didn't take it. You could've also built some farms for gold at the start. And you seemed to give up on upgrading towns yet that's the most gold income. But I suppose if you did that you wouldn't have won in 12 rounds... I would love to see you beat deadly ai in a proper late game
Why is this ASMR? did not come here for that
Great video! Finished campaign on worthy, first time playing, now starting the hardest campaign difficulty and then going for some normal maps, good to get some knowledge on the game!
At the moment balance is totally messed up. You can put most of magic producers on the farthest lane then spam broken spells like swap and acid fog without chance of retaliation, also boiling blood applied on a ballista sounds hilarious. I remember that it was even worse with Barony of Loth in early patches, but it was before the official release.
I gotta say tho, this marjatta build is very good at first but will be very dependent on celestial very fast. I'm not saying is bad, probably the only good way to play marjatta is like this. Loe you said, if the map gave us celes ore early, this build are pretty much very imbalance I say.
Hi, is deadly AI resource cheat?
Yes, they also have extra movement, vision and a bunch of other things. I'm pretty sure the exact values for each difficulty is listed in the codex.
This game is awesome, the 1.0 is everything I could have hope for. .. Hot seat? Done. Long ass campaign? Done.... Stressful enemy attack? Done. All and all I love this game as much as I love homm3
Just discovered this channel and game. Hope to see more vids!
Привет из России, слоняра
This video and your PvP analysis helped me so much. Thank you, thank you. Its also strangely nice to run in the background and just listen.
Love this. Cant wait to see some more
Thanks for the video. How does Rana might-based army work I wonder. If you have any place you can direct me I'd appreciate it. Going to watch some more of your stuff now.
The comment in the beginning about troubadours not being as good for casters as the example chelun elders makes me wonder if a hybrid martial caster could be made with an arleon character relying on the queen's guards. Because they do have the essence fighter ability, and could potentially be used for it (if their quality research adds another bit of essence, that is). They are also reasonably bulky, so there's that as well.
Great video, I learned a lot and enjoyed the calmness and clarity of the explanations ! Looking forward to more 🙂
22:44 That freaked me the fuck out. Btw, please make more of these, there isn't enough content for this game.
wow, i suck so bad at this game after watching these two. guess i got some work to do
Anymore PvP games?
Very cool vid. helped me learn a more effective way to play. thank you!
1:35:50 Essence Shield breaks when you use the unit's ability, so it breaks when placing the mines. It's better to ignore that ability, mines do laughable damage so all they do is amplify the damage you take when the enemy reaches you when you have Essence Shield.
Wow, that strategy looks super strong; even in lategame. Arcane and Creation match perfectly. And yet you got the possibility of another strong might-based army containing Storm Guards, Protectors/Crawlers/Riders. Well done! And thank you for doing english content for SoC! Its hard to find someone good at that game to learn from not speaking russian or polish. Love to them! But it's harder to follow. I am starting to like this games tactics even more than HoMM3's
Great video! Please don't stop making it.
Love your content! I wish there was more of it! I cannot find the article from Adm you are referring about at the beginning. Is it on discord?
This is the type of contente for this game that I was looking for. I don't know why TH-camr's algorithm took so long to recommend to me your videos.
where can I see the other videos from the tournament??? please stream or make videos about that
good playthrough man, i learned a lot from this
It's funny to learn from you obscure stuff like that there is apparently levelup trees for heroes but then seeing you not using alt to highlight interactibles so you don't get blindsided by stuff in the way or see which power ups are currently visited and manualy counting essences when you can mouseover orbs next to hero portrait or just checking numbers in the spellbook. nice content, glad to see soc gameplay
It's hard to find someone who plays this amazing game on max difficulty. Great work!
Hey will you do more? maybe even 2v2 or ffa? im craving SoC for month but seems too niche for good pvp yt content :(
wow best song of conquest content so far.. really need in depth analysis , and this content give it all
keep up the good work!
MORE please! Can you do the other factions as well? I'm a newbie and your videos are super helpful! I lose too much units when creeping neutrals.
Sure I'm considering adding a variety of efficient tactics.
@@windfarers Please do! Subbed!
Great work on commeting this very interesting pvp fight. Thank you!
Makes you wonder what this Marjatta could do if she didn't go tutor. 32:36 This is a guard into Shemix zone, those 4 tents he got after should've gone to Shemix instead and could've provided him with much needed money and even Oathbounds if he managed to scout and get them.
Yes I am thinking the same. Rupture would do a lot of damage after Essence shield wears off. Also, camps and pickups have so much value. You know, I start to think about balancing Quad. Should it not give too many camps in the zones between the players? If not, the wielder who could progress faster would likely win.
Hi, your content is pretty good, but I think you should add some music in the background, or maybe use game's audio and lowering the volume of it a little, even if theres no sound.
This is a good idea. I will consider it.
@@windfarers If I may make a suggestion, making your voice louder by about 40-50% would also be quite appreciated (while leaving game sounds at the same level of volume). Also, more "force" in your voice would help to keep up with the commentary. No offense, but right now you sound like a uni proffesor who has 1st double period on Monday morning and is courteously trying not to wake up the back rows.
@@mazanakaUA I could increase the volume but I won't be able to change how I speak XD
russian tournament, seriously? Unsubscribe
I respect your decision, buddy. But my channel will always remain inclusive of all nationalities.
Russian tournament,seriously? Subscribe
@@windfarers It’s not very convenient to look at a non-English interface. :(
@@windfarers Please put on game sounds and music it makes the cast way better. If it doesnt have sounds just put on the game music yourself. :) Nice cast I liked it, keep up the good work. Also @windfarers do not apologize to anyone brother. If someone does not like the fact that it is a russian tournament, they get can f off.
Correction: 39:50 - Placing the wielder right at the gate DOES NOT block the enemy's wielder from getting out. But it does prevent the enemy from getting in afterward. This is the same for all town sizes. For details, see this diagram: drive.google.com/file/d/1Lyodd7PabK74lt2GcP1_HRSy9Quug_CO/view?usp=sharing
Dear Windfarers where we could apply for this tournament? I didnt see about this though i my own organised many Heroes 3-5-6-7.5 event and tournament also last year a SOC beta tournament.
thanks for commenting on this game, it turned out really great, interesting game from both players, although it looked like Pavel was ahead, but during the main battle it was less obvious and the intrigue lasted almost to the end, good job
Thanks for the comments. Yes, it is a very close game toward the end. They played really well.
Oh this is awesome! Glad you took the time to put this together, really hope we see more in the future. I've only been playing single player so it's interesting to see what strategies the players employ... didn't realize legionnaires and artificers were so strong! That last fight was surprisingly close.
Thanks. It does take more time compared to just playing and commentating. I'll see if I can find time to do more. I also need good recordings, preferably from both sides.
@@windfarers of course. Would love overviews of builds in general. Maybe something more, analytical? This was very educational and that is what I appreciated about it
@@iTzTiMeToJuMp So like all the possible [strong] builds a faction could do?
@@windfarers yeah, I have browsed forums and youtube and havent seen anything on competitive pvp builds. Only know the builds from your full gameplay videos
@@iTzTiMeToJuMp It'd be difficult to give a list of all possible competitive builds since there are not that many competitive players and the meta is still being figured out. I could continue showing what's happening in the competitive games and perhaps one day we would be able to make some generalizations.
PvP game HERE WE GOOO!!
Love your vids, do you think it is even possible to win a 4 players with deadly ai ? I managed to win the 1v1 thanks to your vids but can't seem to find the right strategy for more than 1 ai on deadly.
Hello nikayandri1992. Thanks for the comment. So far, I could not win multiple deadly AIs if the starting positions are not far enough. I did win on an 8-player Branching Trails map, by stealing high-powered artifacts from defeated enemies, eventually boosting the initiative of my Necromancers to start their turn before everything else. But on smaller maps, especially 4-player ones, I kept losing! Maybe there is a way to win that I have not figured out. Even when it is free-for-all, the AIs tend to target me because I'm weaker than the other players.
@@windfarers And do you also think it is possible to win without using magic at all ? Like in my opinion, especially with deadly ai, playing without magic is like an instant lose, i tried a strategy with Nimander and tried to stack dreaths since he has buffs on them, i could beat the first and the second wielders of the ai, but not the third no matter what i did. This strat worked on a 1v1 with a player, but can't make it work against a deadly ai :/
@@nikayandri1992 How many Dreaths did you lose in the first-second wielder fights? And what destroyed you during the third? Was it a different wielder/unit combination? Or was it that you could not make enough reinforcement? Not using magic at all, not even utility spells can be very tough. Even with mass Dreaths, Chaos step could be useful just to help you dodge and reach certain enemies. If you want to attempt it, since the AI's economy is far superior, you need to answer these questions: 1. Are are ways to keep your units alive or have minimal loss in wielder fights / siege battles? 2. If you are likely to lose many units, what are ways to get ahead economically and gain reinforcement of desired units? For example: If I can't go for a tutor strategy to support my troops with enough income and units, I have to rush and end the game right when I could defeat the first / main wielder.
@@windfarersThanks for answering. First of all, game was a really small one, like i got first fight at turn 5 or 6, i don't remember, i lost maybe a few dreaths on the first fight, with playing almost perfectly. Second i lost so many lol, then the ai (was playing against loth) came with a third wielder and finished me, it was just rats and same units than before. I think im good enough on macro since im good on these type of games, but i don't get how you can match the ai without abusing cheesing or magic. Would love to see you with a strat like stacking dreaths 😅
@@nikayandri1992 That sounds really challenging. Everyone I know would need to abuse/cheese to win, unless it's a super early game and you attack with lots of camp units. Can you let me know of the map and perhaps the enemy's starting wielder? I'm curious if I could come up with something.
Great to see someone playing on the highest difficulty. Going to watch this to get some tips for improving my strategy.
Thanks! Really appreciate your guide videos too.
Thanks, love these strategy videos.
Nice!
Great Videos sir Just getting started with the Game Are you planning to do some updated faction Guides? With raising interest in SoC they could do really Well tbh Or capturing videos against real Players
Thanks, danmilkman6169. No plans on faction guides yet, but that's a good suggestion! I'd need to gather some thoughts before doing something like that. It's likely that I'd do commentary on PvP matches. It requires quite a different strategy compared to vs the deadly AI.
+ you are a superhuman to beat the deadly ai, i can't beat the deadly ai even taking any advantage to hours of save reset back to get the best result then it doesn't matter just getting destroyed.
On wich website/Where do you know where to get the requirements for the skills? is it required to have learning to unlock tutor, and i didn't know they were heroes/wielders were they could only get certain skills.
Hello titanittitanit5612. You can look at each wielder's page on soc.gg: ex. soc.th.gl/wielders/DoctorMarjatta Some wielders require learning to get Tutor, some do not, and some cannot get Tutor at all. Each faction comes with 3 wielder classes and each class has the same skill requirements / progression.
@@windfarers thanks that's helping a lot.
You're the Bob Ross of SoC
Thanks! Funny that someone else mentioned that a long time ago as well.
Sorry I had to re-upload to enhance the audio volume. @-activia-, I am answering your comment here. I'd want to record an FFA game against deadly AIs at some point in the future. I once played on Branching Trails, and the Tutor strategy really is a must. It was a very difficult fight where all the AIs constantly attacked me, but I received high-level artifacts from them. Later on, I could push through without losses only because I stacked items with initiative bonuses on Marjatta so even the Necros could start their turns before anything else.