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Ok, ok sorry, 😇, I corrected that in a previous comment

Haha, öğrenir de bilir. Bilmek de oldukça büyük bir kelime bu arada. Hâlâ öğreniyorum tabi.

I took a break but will start some time soon.

¡Muchísimas gracias por tu comentario, Vanessa!

I see your point, yet I don't agree with it, as most of the input we get as little children is absolutely incomprehensible but interaction and the constant exposition to incomprehensible input accompanied by learning in every possible way, of course, will make the initially incomprehensible input more comprehensible day by day. Mind it, only being exposed to a language without interacting and actively learning is not what I understand by immersion. For immersion you have to be somewhat able to swim, you need a base, but that's it. Living, that is actively participating, and not only as an expat in gated communities, in a country where the language you target is spoken will get you to levels you will never reach when you learn the language in your home country.

@ ".... most of the input we get as little children is absolutely incomprehensible..." This is only true in the indirect sense of just hearing everything around you as a child. To clarify, If you're seriously making the claim that little children get more DIRECT incomprehensible input than DIRECT comprehensible, then we have an issue. Adults definitely simplify their speech towards children & give immense contextual clues to them when they grow. I've never seen a parent talk to their toddler in adult speech, but often with gestures, visual aids (like story books, toys, pointing etc.). Are you saying a toddler going to pre-school is not instructed using comprehensible input by the teacher? In contrast, as an adult, you'll rarely get these kind of simplified language & context cues to the degree of a child if you're suddenly thrust into the usual adult interactions. This is what Lonsdale is referring to. From what I'm reading from you, I really take it that you're not familiar with Krashen's input hypothesis or Second Language Acquisition research. Interaction & actively learning doesn't matter to language acquisition if it is not comprehensible, ie. the message is not understood.

@@6Uncles I don't make that claim about children. Direct input is targeted towards children in a simplified way as you say. I am with you on that. And also teaching to adults who begin to learn a language, of course in a different way as compared as to teaching to children. I am not specifically talking about teaching here, in fact. Let's return to the main point. Being taught to a certain level has to be the prerequisite before going into a country and immerse oneself. A certain base has to be established. What I say is that children as well as adults learn from indirect input or mere listening attentively and trying to understand - also very much, and if it is only by getting smithereens of context. By progressing simultaneously in actively learning the language in schools etc. they will understand more and more by time. I am not going into theories here, but into what I have been experiencing in years of language teaching and acquiring languages myself. Students who returned from countries with the right amount of exposure AND intensive learning/interacting reach a level that none of my other students could achieve while staying in their home country.

@ I re-listened to your clip again, as well as his talk for the selected topic (which is pretty much the same as you clipped out). You definitely are misinterpreting/misrepresenting & putting words into his mouth. Nowhere does he mention anything like living like an expat & being in your own bubble as an eternal immigrant & not interacting & having parallel worlds. I think that's a jump you made from what he said. In fact, he mentions "...people talking over your head" [to YOU]. Again, it's about comprehensible input a.k.a. messages that you understand, which was a key idea in his talk. Even if you have a lot of interactions, or have your digital devices & media in target languages but you don't understand it, you will not acquire the language. Lastly, you're still biasing your idea of immersio even despite looking it up on google. Immersion language schools are mainly instruction in the target language, & depending on the school/teacher etc., getting students to interact & produce can be variable, even negligible, to where it's quite well known that a lot of immersion students have great receptive ability, but have highly variable output ability (not able to speak,), like here in Canada. Secondly, immersion in the language learning community can also simply (and often) mean input for quite a long period of time, even without interaction or output, as can be seen with popular methodologies like Refold, ALG etc. You can see this as evidenced from language learning forums like Reddit etc.

Jajaja, ya!

come here and take away some strangeness of those Frenchlands

Oh, that's a tricky question. I honestly don't know if news in Egyptian exist at this moment. But this guy for example comments on politics etc. th-cam.com/video/95EzMQ1SkSU/w-d-xo.html

@ thx anything helps

Davvero!

Ciao Paolo, non posso permettermi giudicare il tuo caso pero puó essere dovuto a questi blocchi di cui parli.

@ ok, che metodi usi per imparare le lingue in generale?

Vielen Dank! Dem kann ich zustimmen. Was meinst du wieviel Diskussionen ich darüber hatte, haha!

cheers!

Hi Aubrey! There are still a lot of movies on Netflix in Egyptian Arabic. Just type "Egyptian Arabic" in the search bar on the Netflix site and many films will appear. For ex. www.netflix.com/watch/81254909?trackId=255824129&tctx=0%2C16%2CNAPA%40%40%7C240c28a6-1ffc-4da9-bf0f-960eee1c6d0b-72285663_titles%2F1%2F%2Fegyptian%20arabic%2F0%2F0%2CNAPA%40%40%7C240c28a6-1ffc-4da9-bf0f-960eee1c6d0b-72285663_titles%2F1%2F%2Fegyptian%20arabic%2F0%2F0%2Cunknown%2C%2C240c28a6-1ffc-4da9-bf0f-960eee1c6d0b-72285663%7C1%2CtitlesResults%2C81254909

Hi Adnan! Thanks for your comment. There is a site where you type in the exact word like استوى in the verse you mentioned and it gives you all the instances of the word in the Quran together with its meaning. quran.com/20?startingVerse=1 Alternatively try the Alpheios tool which will analyse every word without having to type in the underlying roots: alpheios.net (download here).