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¡Muchísimas gracias por tu comentario, Vanessa!

I see your point, yet I don't agree with it, as most of the input we get as little children is absolutely incomprehensible but interaction and the constant exposition to incomprehensible input accompanied by learning in every possible way, of course, will make the initially incomprehensible input more comprehensible day by day. Mind it, only being exposed to a language without interacting and actively learning is not what I understand by immersion. For immersion you have to be somewhat able to swim, you need a base, but that's it. Living, that is actively participating, and not only as an expat in gated communities, in a country where the language you target is spoken will get you to levels you will never reach when you learn the language in your home country.

@ ".... most of the input we get as little children is absolutely incomprehensible..." This is only true in the indirect sense of just hearing everything around you as a child. To clarify, If you're seriously making the claim that little children get more DIRECT incomprehensible input than DIRECT comprehensible, then we have an issue. Adults definitely simplify their speech towards children & give immense contextual clues to them when they grow. I've never seen a parent talk to their toddler in adult speech, but often with gestures, visual aids (like story books, toys, pointing etc.). Are you saying a toddler going to pre-school is not instructed using comprehensible input by the teacher? In contrast, as an adult, you'll rarely get these kind of simplified language & context cues to the degree of a child if you're suddenly thrust into the usual adult interactions. This is what Lonsdale is referring to. From what I'm reading from you, I really take it that you're not familiar with Krashen's input hypothesis or Second Language Acquisition research. Interaction & actively learning doesn't matter to language acquisition if it is not comprehensible, ie. the message is not understood.

@@6Uncles I don't make that claim about children. Direct input is targeted towards children in a simplified way as you say. I am with you on that. And also teaching to adults who begin to learn a language, of course in a different way as compared as to teaching to children. I am not specifically talking about teaching here, in fact. Let's return to the main point. Being taught to a certain level has to be the prerequisite before going into a country and immerse oneself. A certain base has to be established. What I say is that children as well as adults learn from indirect input or mere listening attentively and trying to understand - also very much, and if it is only by getting smithereens of context. By progressing simultaneously in actively learning the language in schools etc. they will understand more and more by time. I am not going into theories here, but into what I have been experiencing in years of language teaching and acquiring languages myself. Students who returned from countries with the right amount of exposure AND intensive learning/interacting reach a level that none of my other students could achieve while staying in their home country.

@ I re-listened to your clip again, as well as his talk for the selected topic (which is pretty much the same as you clipped out). You definitely are misinterpreting/misrepresenting & putting words into his mouth. Nowhere does he mention anything like living like an expat & being in your own bubble as an eternal immigrant & not interacting & having parallel worlds. I think that's a jump you made from what he said. In fact, he mentions "...people talking over your head" [to YOU]. Again, it's about comprehensible input a.k.a. messages that you understand, which was a key idea in his talk. Even if you have a lot of interactions, or have your digital devices & media in target languages but you don't understand it, you will not acquire the language. Lastly, you're still biasing your idea of immersio even despite looking it up on google. Immersion language schools are mainly instruction in the target language, & depending on the school/teacher etc., getting students to interact & produce can be variable, even negligible, to where it's quite well known that a lot of immersion students have great receptive ability, but have highly variable output ability (not able to speak,), like here in Canada. Secondly, immersion in the language learning community can also simply (and often) mean input for quite a long period of time, even without interaction or output, as can be seen with popular methodologies like Refold, ALG etc. You can see this as evidenced from language learning forums like Reddit etc.

Jajaja, ya!

come here and take away some strangeness of those Frenchlands

Oh, that's a tricky question. I honestly don't know if news in Egyptian exist at this moment. But this guy for example comments on politics etc. th-cam.com/video/95EzMQ1SkSU/w-d-xo.html

@ thx anything helps

Davvero!

Ciao Paolo, non posso permettermi giudicare il tuo caso pero puó essere dovuto a questi blocchi di cui parli.

@ ok, che metodi usi per imparare le lingue in generale?

Vielen Dank! Dem kann ich zustimmen. Was meinst du wieviel Diskussionen ich darüber hatte, haha!

cheers!

Hi Aubrey! There are still a lot of movies on Netflix in Egyptian Arabic. Just type "Egyptian Arabic" in the search bar on the Netflix site and many films will appear. For ex. www.netflix.com/watch/81254909?trackId=255824129&tctx=0%2C16%2CNAPA%40%40%7C240c28a6-1ffc-4da9-bf0f-960eee1c6d0b-72285663_titles%2F1%2F%2Fegyptian%20arabic%2F0%2F0%2CNAPA%40%40%7C240c28a6-1ffc-4da9-bf0f-960eee1c6d0b-72285663_titles%2F1%2F%2Fegyptian%20arabic%2F0%2F0%2Cunknown%2C%2C240c28a6-1ffc-4da9-bf0f-960eee1c6d0b-72285663%7C1%2CtitlesResults%2C81254909

Hi Adnan! Thanks for your comment. There is a site where you type in the exact word like استوى in the verse you mentioned and it gives you all the instances of the word in the Quran together with its meaning. quran.com/20?startingVerse=1 Alternatively try the Alpheios tool which will analyse every word without having to type in the underlying roots: alpheios.net (download here).

Hello. Vielen Dank für deinen Kommentar. Ich mache bald wieder neue Videos über Darija und auch über andere Themen.

Thank you Gamze, keep smiling ☺

Alright uhuh I uhuh will uhhh work on uhhh this.

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Hi Ali. Thanks for your comment. I agree, a language parent or teacher is definitely important, especially when starting to learn a language. But real progression can only be obtained when you speak, listen, read and write on a daily basis. And this can be done most easily in a country where the language you learn is used profusely. Imagine yourself learning German in the US. When you go to the restaurant there no one would talk to you in German. In Germany however, once you step outside there will be thousands of opportunities to talk to people. I'd recommend to talk to elderly people who tend to speak slowly and tend to have time, too.

@ thank you Hakan for the fast reply. I think I can't agree more about the importance of language usage ( speaking, listening...) But the problem is people in the target culture can't spend as much time for you if you want to learn just by daily interactions. I actually had the same provlem.I guess you are from turkey. I have actually recently been to Türkey and since I'm a language enthusiast tried to learn the language just by talking to people. It was extremely hard. I couldn't ask the butcher or the grocery store shopkeeper( though he was very nice) to slow down for me and spend 10 minutes on me. So since it's hard to find good Turkish teachers in Iran, I started to find tandem partners and memorizing stories. ( Tilki ve karga).

@@alij9167 Hey Ali, nice to hear from you again. I changed my last comment a bit after you have read it. I understand what you say. Immersion is hardly to be realized completely if you do not actually live in a country a bit longer. I don't know how long you have been to Turkey. Immersion is possible when you live in a country for some months. Some weeks are definitely not enough. And, especially when you are a beginner. Then it is most advisable to have a language teacher helping you. Another thing - I find it very nice to talk to elderly people who tend to have time. They often tell interesting things and speak slowly or adapt to your level. They are the biggest booster you can get. People who work or shopkeepers etc. not always have enough time. But an old man or woman sitting in a cafe feeding pigeons are the ones that you want to talk to :)

@ yes.I think I can conclude from your advice on talking to the elderly and not the busy shopkeepers that Immersion works mostly if you surround yourself with the people who are patient and caring enough. As far as I have understood this is what Chris Lonsdale was trying to say.

that's not what Lonsdale means. It's more in terms of comprehensible input rather than speaking or communication. If you know about Stephen Krashen's research, you will understand. See my other other comment