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Richard James
เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 20 เม.ย. 2015
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Hale and Pace - Jobs for the Boys (Racing Commentators)
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One of the "Jobs for the Boys" series. In this episode Hale and Pace try their hand at being racing commentators. Their task is to learn how to do the job, despite having no previous knowledge of racing, and then to perform live on BBC's Grandstand. Recorded in 1998 and broadcast in 1999, this is a cracking programme whether you like Hale and Pace (or horse racing) or not. They both give it the...
Void 1993 Grand National - Simon Holt/Graham Goode Commentary
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An interesting alternative view of the 1993 Grand National. These are the pictures and commentary that would have been transmitted to betting shops via the SIS feed. The commentators are Simon Holt and Graham Goode, both clearly unsure what to do. In those days Aintree broadcast the Radio commentary over their PA, so that's what you can hear in the background.
All the clowns saying the jockeys "didn't know" it was recalled are blind, stupid and have no knowledge of horse racing. The few that carried on ruined the day for everyone involved and should be ashamed of themselves. Staff risking their lives walking out on the track in hiviz waving them to stop. They KNEW the race was recalled but carried on anyway. Ruining the day for many around the world. This is not a mistake, it's a shameful chapter for jockeys. Several have since said they knew it was recalled, but they knew they'd have no chance.
And yet still more of a National than the glorified hurdles race it is nowadays!
What a fiasco that "race" was
So they also used "the national that never was" in this commentary.
Why didn’t the racecourse commentary just shout to the jockeys that it was a false start
In those days for some reason Aintree used the Radio 2 (or was it Radio 5 by then?) commentary through their PA rather than the SIS feed which every other course used. I guess this was an eccentricity that originated back in the Topham days. Bear in mind they couldn't even organise a few people with hi viz jackets and flags to line up at the chair and stop them, they were hardly likely to think in a panic to climb up the county stand stairs to the BBC commentary box and tell Peter Bromley to shout "STOP YOU BLOODY IDIOTS!". It's not Bromley's (or Lee MacKenzie or Tony O'Hehir's) fault they didn't think to do so themselves, their first priority was to relay what was happening to the audience at home. And even if they had, I doubt the jockeys would have heard.
They wouldn't have listened....they would have thought it was animal rights demonstrators shouting over the system.
They pissed off them jockeys with the damn being recalled bullshit!!
This was probably one of the best episodes(& TV programmes) of celebrity challenges on terrestrial TV of that era Aled Jones's challenge for learning to drum in 5mths or a Led Zep band was the other great episode & best shows ever aired on UK TV Rock School featuring Gene Simmons is another on the short list ;)
Christ was this 1999?! I remember watching this as a kid and loving it, thanks so much for uploading!
Do you know where I can find the other two episodes ?
I'd like to see them myself - I wonder if they're lost forever? I kept this because I was mad keen on racing at the time. I recall one episode they worked as advertising creatives. Can't remember the other (lol edit - just read my own description - old age is catching up fast!). Pauline Quirke and Linda Robson did a companion "jobs for the girls" series as well.
The advert one is on TH-cam as watched it last night.
They did another one recording music video for Bananarama. It was set in Greenwich along the river showing post industrial rundown, before yuppie flats built by the power station. Id love to see thst episode again, as a Greenwich boy. As i recall Bananarama didn't like the result and filmed another one for distribution. (Cant recall song, maybe cruel summer?)
@@josephcoen665 think that was a program called In at the Deep end with Paul Heiney off Thats Life
Did a polo one two
Norman Pace did very good Job with Commentary
Proves the jockey's account that there is no way most of them could have known it was a false start. That said, I always remember Dick Pitman recalling that he could hear the course commentary in the country in 1973. In this film you can hear the course commentary carrying on as normal. Why on earth did they not start broadcasting that it was a void race as soon as possible. Windy or not [Charlie Swan said it was too windy to hear] they would have surely eventually heard the callers telling them to stop by Bechers. I'm also convinced John White knew at half way it wasn't a race. He pulled Esha Ness up and then kicked off again. Who knows. if folk had been thinking straight, the 1993 Grand National should have been re run at the November meeting that year.
Interesting thoughts. In those days the course broadcast the Radio 2 commentary so they would not have been able to tell them what to say, but they could I guess have switched over to their own PA - but I bet in the chaos, they'd have never been able to get themselves together in time to take such decisive action. It would have been easier to co-ordinate a few course marshalls to stop them, but they could even get that right! I also think that the jockeys knew what was happening just after the water jump - which is why so many jocks pulled up including the level headed Peter Scudamore. My guess is that the hot heads ignored this and pushed on regardless.
Absolutely no doubt as both Peter Scudamore [Captain Dibble] and Robbie Supple [Zeta's Lad] have both since said that the first circuit was the best ride each had ever experienced in the national and [though a lot can happen second circuit] both have always held strong convictions they would each have been hard to beat had it been a genuine National. Certainly both do show the look of the stereotype National winner at the point they stopped. Both jumping well, cruising and staying in the van, waiting to kick on in the second circuit. They both pulled up at the end of the first circuit leaving potential glory hunters to fight out the second circuit and get some headlines.
@@TheGiantKillers Peter Scudamore only pulled up because he saw Martin Pipe trying to get him to stop. He would have continued otherwise. It might be Martin Pipe at 5.58 in the video as someone who a bit like him from a distance is waving in the general direction of Captain Dibble who immediately is pulled up by Scudamore. Many jockeys thought that the people trying to stop them at the Chair were protesters.
@@davebesag I agree that does look very much like Pipe - very distinctive gait.
You can just hear the racecourse commentary in the background - in those days for some reason the BBC Radio 2 commentary was piped out at the course: Lee McKenzie over the first three fences getting very excited, I think Tony O'Hehir at Bechers, John Penney on the back straight. Peter Bromley the lead commentator. I'd love to hear that commentary.
Thinking the same about hearing the Radio commentary
It would have been nice for someone to tell the BBC commentator to tell them to fucking stop.
fully agree ... CLEAR to hear between GGs words, the racecourse commentary mentioning ''25 horses SEEM to have set off in the Grand National''
Agree, thanks for uploading. As you can see quite clearly from this alternative shot, not a recall man in sight for the second false start.
Fascinating. Never heard that commentary nor seen it with those cameras before.
Can you imagine that, thinking you won the grand national and 1 week later you're in jail