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A Comparative Study of Spin Technique in Shot Put and Discus Part 2
Normally I would post these over weeks and analyze each to death. Instead, just as last time in Part 1, this is compilation to show the similarities between throws in both shot put and discus.
Last time I showed throwers who use a longer right foot pick up and twist the feet together out of the back.
Here is shown what would be called an early right foot pick style. One where the right foot leads the throw. This style has the athlete wind and hold the X and then maintain virtually the same relationship between the feet the whole throw. The arms stay stretched out long as well. Ideally with forming 90° angles from the torso.
The left foot begins the the first turn by twisting and pushing the left heel around low. The left knee is over the toe and the left shoulder is over the knee hinged at the hips. The right foot picks up early and sweeps around wide, bent, and leading with instep (leg in external rotation).
The athletes with the most patience will turn the the left foot all the way round till it points down the left sector line before moving forward. This allows the hips/center of mass/gravity to be fully over the left foot and the hips pointing in the direction they need to go. Just as you would sprinting, you must be facing the direction you need to go, to go there quickly.
The right foot is over the middle of the circle when they push off the left leg. Typically and ideally the left knee never straitens out. The right foot lands somewhere between 270° and 0°. The thighs squeeze together, both knees bent, and the X is held. The hit the “Wall Drill” position and hold that till they land the left foot.
As the left foot comes down the right foot begins to turn. Ideally the right foot turns all they way to the direction of the throw before any pushing from the foot, knee, or hip begins. The left leg then straightens as they push, the block is held, and right arm rips through the finish.
The athletes in order: *=film edited to match position
Matty Denny vs Mya Lesnar*
Filip Mihaljević vs Dave Voorhees*
Cory Martin vs Wolfgang Schmidt
Payton Otterdahl vs Mac Wilkins
Dean Crouser vs Wolfgang Schmidt*
John Godina vs Géjza Valent
Turner Washington vs Turner Washington
Jay Silvester vs John Godina
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Discus Throw Information by Dan John
web.archive.org/web/20180104112441/danjohn.net/2009/11/all-things-discus/
A Contrarian Approach to the Discus Throw by Dan John
web.archive.org/web/20161213064003/danjohn.net/pdfs/book.pdf
Discus technical Article by Dan John and Ralph Maughan:
th-cam.com/video/d33ASP11xNo/w-d-xo.html
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Cory Martin 22.10m Shot Put Tucson 2010 2 Views
มุมมอง 1927 หลายเดือนก่อน
Two views provided by William Conwell (front view) and someone else(rear view)... I don’t know This throw ranks Cory in the #32 throw of all time. At the time it would have placed him at #14. That means 18 men have surpassed this in the least 14 years which is pretty crazy! He would only surpass the 70 foot barrier one more time a week later. He has pretty wide stance and only twists his should...
A Comparative Study of Spin Technique in Shotput and Discus PART 1
มุมมอง 1.9K7 หลายเดือนก่อน
Normally I would post many of these videos separately in dozens of posts over months. However I find this concept to be important enough to be compilation of film. It has been a common belief among throwers and their coaches that shot put and discus spins are some how different. I disagree. Their are of course some differences. -The shot has no radius like the discus, no orbit. -The circle is m...
Norbert Thiede Discus Throw 63.94m 1976
มุมมอง 2647 หลายเดือนก่อน
Thiede was a discus thrower for East Germany in the mid 70s. He would represent the GDR in the 1976 Olympics placing 4th. He would only compete one more year in 1977. His PR is 66.90m. He starts by winding all the way to the left with most of his weight on his right foot. You can actually see his left foot pick up and then get placed where he wants it. He stretches both arms out long, creating ...
Brian Oldfield Shot Put 1980 Big Guy Mountain Games
มุมมอง 2037 หลายเดือนก่อน
Been a while since I posted a video of Brian. This was at a time when he was suing to be allowed to compete at the Olympics. He eventually won and subsequently Jimmy Carter boycotted the 1980 Olympics. Brian would not be allowed to compete at the Olympic Trials again till 1988! Truly every Olympian nowadays owes Brian a thank you for having the guts to be paid openly when it was ‘banned’. Even ...
Wolfgang Schmidt 1976 Discus Practice 2 Angles
มุมมอง 4628 หลายเดือนก่อน
This was in my opinion his best year technique wise. The footage is little hard too see but it’s so rare to see his throw from behind the circle I wanted to share it. He winds up bending way over at the hips. This seems to help him, when he initiates the throw, to keep his shoulders over his knees through the first turn which keeps him in balance. His wind is maximum taking the discus far back ...
Augie Wolf vs Carol Cady 1984 Olympics Shotput Technical Comparison
มุมมอง 3108 หลายเดือนก่อน
19.74m vs 17.22m Both of these athletes were very good discus throwers as well as shot putters who spun. This is reflected in their style which I would call a “linear technique” much like the discus style. It is characterized by their twisting of the feet together in back spreading the knees apart and leaving the right foot down long. The left arm is outstretched yet the shoulders maintain the ...
John Godina 2004 Olympic Trials 21.08m 69ft 1.75in 🥉
มุมมอง 1438 หลายเดือนก่อน
Winslow Sightler sent me this video of John I had not seen before so I figured I’d share it. This is from the prime years of John’s technique from 2004-2005. John’s technical style is what I refer to as the Silvester style. I like how he keeps the shot pressed into the side of his neck with the elbow pointed straight out. This keeps his chest bigger and allows him to get more of a pull on the s...
Wind Aided Training Update: Road to 2028 Olympics
มุมมอง 4738 หลายเดือนก่อน
Threw a season record for myself in practice for the shot put. Wind was blowing so I don’t know if I’ll count it. On a more serious note, I have been working on my first turn out of the back. I’ve managed to move my left foot 95% through the 9 o’clock drop. This means I’m no longer straight legged and able to drop the left knee down low. This throwing practice was Saturday and I added the targe...
Wolfgang Schmidt Discus Throw 66.06m 1976
มุมมอง 5568 หลายเดือนก่อน
I think perhaps Wolfgang’s technique was best in the 70s. He seems much more dynamic. He starts his throw off with relaxed wind, twisting back, stretching the arms and setting the X. He is bent in the knees and hips. His left foot turns all the way right. He starts the first turn by twisting the left foot around on the inside of the big toe and picking up the right leg early. From the side you ...
Mykolas Alekna Discus Throw World Record Analysis 74.35m
มุมมอง 4.7K8 หลายเดือนก่อน
I think it’s fair to say I’ve made a lot of comparison videos with Mykolas and others. Today we look at the best throw in 38 years from two angles provided by @ThrowsUniversity He starts by winding up with a twist to the left. His left foot turns all the way right and his weight shifts mostly to his right foot. His knees and hips just are just unlocked. His arms stretch out and appear very rela...
Yaime Perez 73.09m A Comparative Analysis
มุมมอง 9378 หลายเดือนก่อน
It seems a lot of people don’t understand how or why Yaime can throw so far with her “unorthodox” technique. Plenty of comments under posts of her throws calling it sloppy or bad. The reality is that she just uses a style that isn’t commonplace anymore. The Linear Style. The feet twist/turn together out of the back. The right leg turns in and sweeps with the top of the thigh. The motion through...
Wolfgang Schmidt Shotput 1973 18.54m
มุมมอง 7038 หลายเดือนก่อน
Wolfgang was not only a tremendous discus thrower but a very good glide shot putter as well. He threw 19.19m in the same series to set the European Junior Record. He starts off by leaning over his right foot, bringing up his left leg, and rising onto his toes of his right. He then brings the left leg down and close to his right leg as he crouched down. Curiously he points his left toe up this w...
Wolfgang Schmidt 1974 Foul
มุมมอง 2568 หลายเดือนก่อน
According to Gerlof Holkema, who posted the raw footage, Wolfgang broke a bone in the middle of his foot on this throw and had to take 2 weeks off. Coincidentally he would land funky on his right foot 6 years later exactly the same way but sprained his ankle which cost him an Olympic medal. He starts off the throw with his down and up wind. This stretches the arms out as he sets up the X. He be...
Wolfgang Schmidt Stand Discus Throw 1975
มุมมอง 7369 หลายเดือนก่อน
I don’t know how far it went but I was most intrigued by how he replicates how he will finish in the full throw. He starts with back and forth swing and then winds the discus all the way back and into the high point. His chest is low over his right leg. He has a deep bend in both knees. The left arm is so low the hand is lower than the hips. He is flat on his right foot (he won’t do that in the...
Glenn Passey Vs Wolfgang Schmidt Discus Throw Comparison
มุมมอง 2379 หลายเดือนก่อน
Glenn Passey Vs Wolfgang Schmidt Discus Throw Comparison
Augie Wolf 1984 Olympic Trials Shotput
มุมมอง 1979 หลายเดือนก่อน
Augie Wolf 1984 Olympic Trials Shotput
Mitch Crouser 1984 Discus Throw Olympic Trials 62.99m 206ft 3in
มุมมอง 6709 หลายเดือนก่อน
Mitch Crouser 1984 Discus Throw Olympic Trials 62.99m 206ft 3in
The best thrower in town
มุมมอง 4159 หลายเดือนก่อน
The best thrower in town
Dave Laut 1983 World Championships Shotput
มุมมอง 2759 หลายเดือนก่อน
Dave Laut 1983 World Championships Shotput
Benjaimin Discus Throw Technical Analysis
มุมมอง 1119 หลายเดือนก่อน
Benjaimin Discus Throw Technical Analysis
Mac Wilkins Explains The Back of the circle in the Spin Shot
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Mac Wilkins Explains The Back of the circle in the Spin Shot
Wolfgang Schmidt Discus Throw 1972 57.54m
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Wolfgang Schmidt Discus Throw 1972 57.54m
Lift (Drive 2011 Parody)
มุมมอง 11310 หลายเดือนก่อน
Lift (Drive 2011 Parody)
Casey Discus Technique Analysis
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Casey Discus Technique Analysis
Carol Cady 1984 Olympics Shot Put 17.22m 7th place
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Carol Cady 1984 Olympics Shot Put 17.22m 7th place
Wolfgang Schmidt vs Géjza Valent Discus Throw Comparison
มุมมอง 40910 หลายเดือนก่อน
Wolfgang Schmidt vs Géjza Valent Discus Throw Comparison
Martina Opitz (Hellmann) 72.32m NR and 69.18m 1984
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Martina Opitz (Hellmann) 72.32m NR and 69.18m 1984
Throws Training Update Winter 2024
มุมมอง 23110 หลายเดือนก่อน
Throws Training Update Winter 2024
John Godina vs Géjza Valent Shotput vs Discus throw comparison
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John Godina vs Géjza Valent Shotput vs Discus throw comparison

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  • @candyland4021
    @candyland4021 หลายเดือนก่อน

    💛💚🧡

  • @fredbrickner7102
    @fredbrickner7102 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Am I seeing a higher right knee in his drive phase? foot further off the ground? We were teaching this years ago but critics convinced throwers to "stay closer to the ground". Just asking because sometimes the image is distorted by the camera angles.

    • @TheGudeGym
      @TheGudeGym หลายเดือนก่อน

      His right knee is very bent but it is not "high". He grounds his right foot very quickly and minimizes flight time. Excessive time spent in the air slows down the athlete.

  • @danlove4270
    @danlove4270 หลายเดือนก่อน

    RIP

  • @reymundorodriguezg
    @reymundorodriguezg 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where do you throw for discus? I find myself struggling to find a place to throw

    • @TheGudeGym
      @TheGudeGym 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      at a local highschool

    • @reymundorodriguezg
      @reymundorodriguezg 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheGudeGym I struggle with that because all the local highschools in my town are closed fields so I have to jump over a wall through a sketchy looking alley to practice

    • @TheGudeGym
      @TheGudeGym 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@reymundorodriguezg then that’s what you have to do

    • @reymundorodriguezg
      @reymundorodriguezg 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheGudeGym you’re right

  • @stanley16fttapemeasure38
    @stanley16fttapemeasure38 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is this dragon soul lol

    • @TheGudeGym
      @TheGudeGym 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yep

    • @stanley16fttapemeasure38
      @stanley16fttapemeasure38 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheGudeGym that is so unironically cool lol gonna do my turns to this now

  • @joethrows9427
    @joethrows9427 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is great

  • @captainh3831
    @captainh3831 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's crazy that the world record now exceeds this throw by 2 feet.

  • @parkerbohnn
    @parkerbohnn 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I remember Brian from the series The Superstars when he easily won the overhead press.

  • @quintinvanrooyen2599
    @quintinvanrooyen2599 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What was the wind speed? Seems like a Flo-Jo world record to me. I wonder if Ceh and Stahl had competed that day what distances would have been thrown... If we don't measure throws against the wind speed, doesn't it become storm chasers? Regardless, I am happy at least that we have a 74m + throw filmed with a camera and not a toaster.

    • @TheGudeGym
      @TheGudeGym 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wind is utterly irrelevant and has been chased since the inception of discus throwing. Getting a wind to aid you does not detract from performance. It s a skill in itself. Hence why many throwers did NOT throw PRs at the same meet.

    • @quintinvanrooyen2599
      @quintinvanrooyen2599 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      (Sorry, my comments keep disappearing and I dont know why). Nice video and amazing technique and all. I do genuinely have to disagree on impact of wind here, and would love to hear your thoughts. My research finds evidence that discus creates an airfoil and generates lift, which is augmented my head winds. You can see difference in the flight path compared to shot put or hammer. And there were many other PRs thrown at same event, including Yaime Peres 73.09m.

    • @TheGudeGym
      @TheGudeGym 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@quintinvanrooyen2599 Yes it’s an air foil and designed to be that way. As far as headwind goes the only other 74m throw was thrown in a tail wind. There is no definitive benefit to throwing in wind. Most people can’t handle it and lack the skill to adjust to the wind. Even at the top.

    • @quintinvanrooyen2599
      @quintinvanrooyen2599 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fair enough, so adjusting your attack angle and release point based on the wind on the day? Now that would truly be an extraordinary skill.

    • @TheGudeGym
      @TheGudeGym 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@quintinvanrooyen2599 it is a somewhat lost skill today. The generation of the 80s and earlier had more control in accounting for wind. Very difficult.

  • @shotparrot
    @shotparrot 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow thanks for posting pre glide Obrien! And didn't know he was the first to go off the fingers! Things we take for granted.

  • @joethrows9427
    @joethrows9427 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you think Denny can win the Olympics?

    • @TheGudeGym
      @TheGudeGym 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@joethrows9427 yep, it’s possible for Denny, Mykolas, Ceh, and Stahl to all take the gold. It’ll be interesting to watch

  • @candyland4021
    @candyland4021 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🧡

  •  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    multi mac ...legend!

  • @pickletron2004
    @pickletron2004 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can cross my eyes and it perfectly aligns until the reverse 🤯🤯🤯

  • @martmuru
    @martmuru 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Could you explain your sentence: "using the center of the body as a fulcrum vs the left side as John does. This allows John to lengthen his pull and make up for shorter leverages" ?

    • @TheGudeGym
      @TheGudeGym 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@martmuru I’m referring to a class 1 lever system. The pivot point(fulcrum) can either be the spine or the left side of the body. This changes the output lever by lengthening the distance between the fulcrum and the discus.

    • @martmuru
      @martmuru 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheGudeGym How does one learn and practice it? Do you offer consulting service?

    • @TheGudeGym
      @TheGudeGym 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@martmuru learn by doing, doing a lot, studying the throw, feeling the throw. I do online and in person throws coaching too, links in description.

  • @martmuru
    @martmuru 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    He threw 71.26m with no wide right leg sweep. He basically stepped straight into the middle. Do you think wide right leg is overemphasized by coaches? I am the same height as he was and I'm also fast. I find it hard to be long and wide in the circle.

    • @TheGudeGym
      @TheGudeGym 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@martmuru I would agree it’s over emphasized. A wide right leg can be an advantage but it depends on the person. I tried to throw like John but I’m the opposite of him and found a wide leg better for me.

  • @Simpliitocax
    @Simpliitocax 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    GUYS ADAM SETLIFF IS MY DAD

  • @candyland4021
    @candyland4021 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    💛

  • @candyland4021
    @candyland4021 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    💚

  • @pianowithDaniel
    @pianowithDaniel 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    amazing vid, please send the link to your playlist, recently been getting into rock

    • @TheGudeGym
      @TheGudeGym 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have no playlist though I think you'd enjoy def leppard, fire house, lion, dokken, and thunder if you like this kinda rock

  • @Abcdefghijklmn123jai
    @Abcdefghijklmn123jai 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mys lesner?

  • @candyland4021
    @candyland4021 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🧡

  • @candyland4021
    @candyland4021 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    💛

  • @mariablick6586
    @mariablick6586 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Norbert … wir waren in Zippendorf … im KJS-Internat 😂

  • @candyland4021
    @candyland4021 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    💚

  • @candyland4021
    @candyland4021 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    💚💛🧡

  • @candyland4021
    @candyland4021 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    💚

  • @candyland4021
    @candyland4021 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    💛

  • @martinh5402
    @martinh5402 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks Travis, this is awesome I have not seen this throw before! Cory was a seriously talented dude with a 75 m hammer PR as well love the analysis of his very likeable technique!!

  • @candyland4021
    @candyland4021 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🧡

  • @candyland4021
    @candyland4021 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🧡

  • @candyland4021
    @candyland4021 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🧡

  • @maciejkmicinski4089
    @maciejkmicinski4089 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It looks so easy and light

  • @themcadamsminute8494
    @themcadamsminute8494 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why don’t they make those kind of throwing shoes anymore?

  • @candyland4021
    @candyland4021 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🧡

  • @you2vertigo
    @you2vertigo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I still wonder what would become his results in the shot put with all that energi and speed..?..unfortunately he was forced to change to discus due to a broken hand injury. This guy trained hard like no one, and his body payed the price ( lots of pain = pain killers = premature death)....so sad !

  • @martmuru
    @martmuru 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you know what his standing throw record was?

    • @TheGudeGym
      @TheGudeGym 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No I don't

  • @jksmithiii
    @jksmithiii 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Miss the speed of that right knee screw instead of the usual foot drag.

  • @Diseaseisreversible
    @Diseaseisreversible 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazing!

  • @candyland4021
    @candyland4021 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🧡

  • @victorvena6087
    @victorvena6087 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think Tony showed us as John Powell did that there is more than one way to achieve greatness.