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Purely OCD
เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 29 ธ.ค. 2020
Lauren McMeikan Rosen, LMFT, and Kelley Franke, LMFT, are OCD Specialists living with OCD. They discuss the nuances of OCD treatment from their perspectives as Therapists and also share their lived experience navigating obsessions and compulsions. Live participation is welcomed weekly on Instagram Live, as Kelley and Lauren cover all things OCD, one subtype at a time. Join them as they bring a little humor and a lot of heart to the realm of recovery.
Please keep in mind that this is not therapy nor is it intended as a replacement for therapy. This is for educational purposes only.
Please keep in mind that this is not therapy nor is it intended as a replacement for therapy. This is for educational purposes only.
Ep 73 Existential OCD Part II
In this week's episode, Lauren Rosen, LMFT, and Kelley Franke, LMFT, discuss common compulsions in Existential OCD. They also discuss depression and its treatment, given that it commonly comes up in conjunction with this subtype.
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Thanks ! what about oure ocd workbook available on amazon ! any information !
Thank you for bringing light to Pure Ocd wishes more people talked about it
I LOVED the beginning!! Flying Lemon hahaha! 🙏💖
Sometimes you just turn into a flying lemon LOL
@@PurelyOCD HAHAHA!!! I have more to write, but I didn’t get a chance to finish the video yet. Besides the Flying Lemon, I am so thankful that you both have shared yourselves like this. It is so appreciated. You both look so beautiful and completely “normal”, so it’s wonderful to know that I am not alone and that everyone has a little, weird, flying lemon in them somewhere!! 😀🙏🍋 💖💖
You two are amazing, love your discussions!!
Great video. I’m a psychotherapist and among other things, I specialise in working with a form of OCD called Retroactive Jealousy where sufferers get distressed by their partner’s sexual and/or romantic history. Despite the name, one of the primary feelings is often disgust.
Asking philosophical questions is a pathology???
Not necessarily. As with any other diagnosis, the criteria of "clinically significant distress and impairment in social, occupational or other important areas of functioning" applies. We're talking about endless attempts to try to get definitive answers to philosophical questions. Nothing wrong with asking the questions or pondering them. There are people who make this their lives' work.
I know you guys are just trying to help people, but I just find this fascinating. So if the pursuit of philosophical questions is disruptive that's a type of OCD, but if you can turn it into a profession like being a professor then it's not OCD? I suppose I'm just shocked that people can not ask philosophical questions and makes one wonder about the construction of our entire social reality. Surely explains some things.@@PurelyOCD
@@lajphd- you are right in your assessment. We are trying to help people by talking about a condition (OCD) that has many presentations and is very misunderstood by much of the medical community. Were you in disagreement about the diagnostic criteria? I didn’t see any nod to that in your response. You essentially restated your initial thought. If there’s something I can help you to better understand please let me know, and I’ll be happy to clarify further. In an effort to explain what we are talking about here I can offer some more information. Excessive rumination regarding existential matters can be a symptom of OCD. It’s not pondering the question that’s the issue. It’s an insistence on a definitive answer as well as the dogged pursuit of one that can be so problematic. Yes, existential pondering is something courses are dedicated to, and I’ve no doubt the reflections of philosophers have been a benefit to our species. At the same token, you could say the same of sanitation and cleanliness. It has certainly benefited the species. Moreover, handwashing is an indispensable part of some jobs - like surgeons. Even so, handwashing to that degree outside of the context of scrubbing for surgery would likely be viewed as pathological because of the secondary impact of these behaviors on a person’s life. Excessive rumination is no different. It is all-consuming for some with OCD. This unending thinking can also come up in depression, too, and wreak havoc for those who struggle with it. Some become so caught up in rumination that they miss out on the present moment entirely. You can learn more about existential obsessions from some of the foremost experts in the field. Dr. Fred Penzel has an article on the topic. Jon Hershfield talks about it on the OCD stories. These are great resources that I encourage you to avail yourself of.
@@PurelyOCD I think I agree with you for the most part. Would it be your opinion that the pursuit of truth, if it leads to social and professional disruptions, is a pathology? What if your profession is built around discerning what the truth is? I’m just curious how the psychological community views such existential quests these days. Not trying to waste your time. Just learning from you.
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Can you do an episode on disgust? I don't necessarily have a consequence if I don't perform a compulsion but still have that overwhelming feeling of anxiety and fear when coming into contact with something I think is contaminated
this is tied to harm ocd...also to law of attraction mindsets
Absolutely - the law of attraction can be a huge trigger for people with superstitious ocd/magical thinking!
I am 30 and just found out about my OCD. This episode explains how badly I am feeling right now. Because of negotiations with my job who keeps harassing me, i have decided to quit my job, and I keep going back and forth between "is this a good choice or is it my mental health causing me to not think of any other option" "why can't my brain just comply" 😭 Thank you for this podcast. For answering a lot of my questions for bringing me topics to bring to my therapist ❤
So sorry to hear that you're having a difficult time, and so glad that you've found the podcast to be helpful! ❤
What if the contamination isnt magical?
Great video. Good topic
We're so glad that you think so!
Been married to my hubby for 53 years and he is very OCD and you guys are explaining so much about his expectations and how it effects his mood when things aren't going how he thinks it should in HIS brain. I often have to say to him "the police will not come to arrest you if it doesn't get done." He was soooo happy when the xmas lights came down and everything was back to the way it was prior to xmas. Most of the time I shake my head and let him be, but SOMETIMES it absolutely drives me bonkers!
It can be really difficult supporting someone with OCD. The good news is there are a lot of resources to support loved ones. Jon Hershfield's book "When a Family Member Has OCD" is a great way to start. We've also spoken about supporting a loved one in previous episodes. Thanks for sharing about your experience.
What about if you have intrusive thoughts that other people think you are gay?
The concern about what others may or may not think of a person's sexual orientation definitely can come up in the context of OCD. Unfortunately we cannot know anything with absolute certainty, including other people's thoughts. In the context of OCD recovery, the work is in learning to tolerate the fact that we cannot know what others think of us.
Thank you both for these series. Over the last past years I have checked multiple of your videos, but never actually wanted to thank you for the support I got from them back then (Sexual OCD). I have been diagnosed with OCD +- 13 years ago (while already suffering with it 8 years prior to that.. I never seeked help in those 8 years because I thought that this was puberty doing this stuff to my mind). I had been on medication for this disorder (also for 13 years). I have recently quited my medication (begin November 2023) and do not know if that has anything to do with what I have experienced yesterday. I certainly hope not to spike anyone, but yesterday my HarmOCD came combined with something I hear you say in the first part of this series "Determination", "Free Will" or "Destiny". My freaking mind .. sugar coated Harm OCD for my loving spouse and beautiful 3 year old son, by giving me intrusive thoughts about "Mabey it is fate that I will have to hurt/kill them.." 30 times - a day.... (this did not come after watching this episode B.T.W... because this is what I stumbled on when I was searching the World Wide Web to find out if I am the only person with this kind of OCD right now). This torturous thing came in such rude way that I instantly got a panic attack and are ruminating about everything what I am doing today: "Is this fate, do I have free Will, is everything that I do pre-destined" and it freaking sucks. I really don't know if I finally have lost my own sanity, and did try to take contact with my old therapist for Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, but she is on maternity leave for a couple of months. So (and I know that this is reassurance seeking, and I know it will never gonna help me in the long run) could the philosophical part "Doing it because of fate" .. "Or .. maby it is destiny that I will do..." also belong to the Existential subtype... Because I am so scared right now of my own mind.
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i have this problem where ocd affect emotions in my face due to guilt.
This is not an attack on their style of conversing about harm OCD, I just mean to express what grabbed my attention the most in this. I had an ocd flare up when a favorite podcast covered someone who killed his entire family. I worked my way through it, but the feeling of stress is still fresh. A few w days later and I find this video where they describe watching the same kind of videos and not feeling anything. It’s petty, I know but it felt like being a kid in time out watching others play.
since it was mentioned, my existential OCD was primed by catholic upbringing then at 8 years old I thought too hard about eternity and infinity and couldn't stop so I cried myself to sleep. ever since then nothing has terrified me more than eternity and the idea of an afterlife. since then so much of my thoughts and energy went to those topics.
Yes, this can be so challenging! Ultimately, whatever the trigger, OCD is usually terrifying to the individual experiencing it.
As a Catholic, I know this one well. Oh yeah, definitely. I think some secular therapists and even some priests in confession have pointed out to me that those thoughts are Nirmal an the fear of the thought is what makes it stick.
Thank you so much amazing videos and so helpful
Oh wonderful! We're so glad to hear that you've found them to be helpful! Living with OCD can be so challenging and lonely. That said, it's possible to recover :)
Super intuitive conversation, sometimes these urges are so strong, feel like an itch that keeps poking in my lower back. The fear makes things so much worse
We're so glad that you found the conversation to be supportive! It is difficult to refrain from compulsions - no doubt! Fear is often the motivating factor.
It seems the exposure is the compulsion, to me, and have difficulty separating the two. I’ll do the exposure and find myself unable to resist using the exposure to figure out stuff and the spiral downward goes faster.
You are spot on, it's the same for me. I tried ERP with professional help and it didn't work for me, and it definitely doesnt work for me now trying it on my own... (psychiatric care is moving so slow...) That's why recently I've been looking into trying ACT instead and maybe after i get that down, I'll give ERP another try.
Yes, exposures can elicit a compulsive response. It's important to remember the response prevention part of exposures. Without response prevention, exposures are simply triggers.
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Likewise!
thankyou so much!
Absolutely! :)
I am the "boss" viewing this video trying to better understand my colleague who appears to have OCD. Your description of requesting constant reassurance is spot on for my situation, and causing a lot of frustration for me as the supervisor. Is there anything I can do to facilitate change and improvement?
Hi @cathyjackson2373! Thank you for your comment. What a wonderful boss you are to be trying to help your employee. We can't give direct advice on this platform. There is a wonderful book by Jon Hershfield called "When a Family Member has OCD" that is a great resource for those supporting individuals with OCD. That said, what's appropriate for family members might not be for bosses. Talking with HR could be important here, too. We wish you the best on your journey with this!
Besides Hershfield's book, Jonathan Abramowitz's The family guide to getting over OCD is an excellent source of information for the co-worker or family member point-of-view.
Welcome back!
Thank you for this interesting video. I’m wondering whether existential OCD could be summarized in a choice between two options: “I’ll stop looking for answers to my existential questions when it’s reasonable to stop, whether I found them or not” versus “I’ll stop looking for answers when I find them”. The first option is distressing first because it requires me to tolerate some uncertainty. However, it’s satisfying in the long term because I choose a balance approach (Primum vivere, deinde philosophari - First live, then do philosophy). The second option is satisfying first because I don’t give up my search and I justify it as a means to return to a normal life. However, it’s distressing in the long term because problems keep accumulating in my life as I sacrifice everything else in the search for an elusive answer. Eventually, I lose control because the search for answers has become, in my eyes, the only way out. What do you think?
Thank you for sharing about your thoughts and experience! I think you've really summarized a lot of our approach to OCD recovery here. Generally speaking, the search for certainty is satiating in the short term but harmful in the long term, while accepting uncertainty is challenging at first but ultimately so much more fulfilling.
It’s tough to think about OCD when you both are so beautiful! Sorry…but thanks for this episode.
I have alot of grafic intrusive thoughts of cuting People heads..it really helps when my psyhiatric smiles with me, and knowing it is Just ocd ..;)
I have alot of grafic intrusive thoughts of cuting People heads..it really helps when my psyhiatric smiles with me, and knowing it is Just ocd ..;)
How do I know I’m not “imagining” you guys discussing this because everything is a reflection of my subconscious so I “imagined” people talking about topics that distress me hmmm ? 🤣
The tricky thing about uncertainty is that we can't "know" anything with 100% assuredness.
I really struggle with this. It really triggers me about going to work every day and what's the point of all this to do the same things over and over
I'm so sorry to hear that you're struggling. It can be so challenging. That said, learning how to navigate triggers can change the nature of our experience with them. There is lots and lots of hope.
I lalit myself I have been suffering from a disease called existential OCD for a very long time. I continuously ask questions from myself about life and language like especially language like who made the language how he knew the particular word will be pronounced in a certain way. What does happen mean ? What does want means and why do we want anything and why do we imagine about something and who told us to imagine what its relevance . I know this may sound illogical to you and it is illogical for a normal person at a certain point of time everyone can encounter these types of questions which are acceptable to a certain extent it creates a problem when the questions start running in your mind 24 × 7 over the same question over and again and hampers your daily activities, your personal life and most importantly your ability to think logically. I hope i would overcome from this problem one day. One day is not certain
men dont feel bad im having the same issue with language same thing 😢 sometimes i think im going crazy greetings from guatemala
I'm so sorry to hear you're struggling. The attempts to answer these questions can totally overtake a person's life. That said, it's possible to learn to live without the answers which gives the freedom to stop trying to resolve uncertainty. This is the essence of freedom from OCD.
New subbie here ✋This video was amazing. Thank you ladies so much for taking the time to do these talks ❤ I've had OCD since i was a child and it has impacted my life in so many ways, some I'm aware of.. some im still uncovering. Videos like these help me to not feel alone and it helps me make sense of what's happening inside. Thanks again
@strawberrydiamond5886 - Thank you so much for your comment! We are thrilled to know that you've found our content to be helpful. You are absolutely not alone!
Congratulations to Lauren Rosen and family! Thank you for doing this topic of Existentialism before the grand "pause". Topics I get stuck in... Fear of existence without a body if there is an afterlife, fear of having no control in the afterlife and horrific suffering and being lost. Fear of choosing the wrong religion, philosophy, or mindset in which to live my life and finding out at the end when it's too late. Absolutely paralyzing.
Thank you so much for the congratulations and for sharing your experience!! It is so helpful for people to see that they’re not alone ❤️
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Informative and funny 🙏
So glad that you found it to be informative and funny ❤️
Thank you so much amazing as allways
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Is it me or does Kelley look like Demi Moore?
Hey guys I know your channel doesn’t have crazy headway like some other OCD channels, but I just wanted to say, you guys are awesome and are doing a really solid job. I’ve been in an OCD spiral lately and videos like this are extremely helpful. Please don’t ever think you’re not making an impact. You mean the world to us. Best Wishes Troy
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I came across your podcast on Spotify, having so much difficulty with my pure-o that ive stabbed someone with glass it came out of nowhere last year, cant decide in my head if its a false memory or real? And it makes me terrified everything is a uphill battle aniexty is overwhelming and its even painful to talk n laugh its i dont deserve due to being a bad person. Im stuck in this nightmare n life is unbearable 😢
You guys are amazing :)
Well that's so kind of you to say!! We hope you find our videos to be helpful ❤
Thanks a lot I’m struggling with ocd about if I’m doing compulsion or not and the knife thing i totally recognise myself in that example I don’t know what I should do lol but I just decided that I would do it anyway and screw it. Maybe it’s a compulsion ? Who knows
Thanks so much for sharing your experience! Living with this disorder can be challenging and it's so helpful for people to know they're not alone!
Thank you for sharing your story! You’re helping so many.
Happy Monday!!
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This is so me!
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