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nice game dave , would be nice seeing u around ron for some std 85

Great, I just played this game, and I thought it would all be automatic. But actually it's not. War tactics of you really empress me. Over all, it's just a pc game, but I have to play a chase board game. Thank you for your skills.

Thank you for making this. I found it very helpful!

Even from the thumbnail i can see this "REDACTED"39 individual spamming the chat

heroes 2 may has wtf moments but heroes 3 has wtf mods

2:05 The knight was just staring....Menacingly

Somehow I was not aware that you can drop off resources in any building even after years of playing. I always asked vills to drop off whatever in "correct" point or tc before going forward. Thanks man

That's cool. Better than 1 monk per group cause they all get converting points faster

from thumbnail i thought this was aoc

It wouldn't have hurt as much if he found his sheep earlier too. Unlucky aoe2 moment for sure

Saw that live. Definitely sucks, I expected an admin re coming but apparently didn't happen. I bet I would have resigned and conceded as well.

Waouh. Great tournament (even funnier I thought it would be) and great edit. Very well done!

Are you a fan or somehow affiliated to the organizer team? If just a fan, hats off to your dedication!

Everything you edited there was sooo high level

Amazing tournament. Completely different. Thanks for these

amazing vid <3 will there be also a highlight compilation from what Jonslow missed?

Delete this right now 🤬🤬🤭😋

Wow! I will use it in every game now for next 20 yearsm i love monks

Nice vid man. Could you teach how to attack simoultaneously with x60 melee units with +1 range?

And now the survivalist method: all other military units on patrol and monks get in range then press "select idle military unit">"click convert" on repeat. ❤🎉 Thanks for the video, Dave

Good tips from a non sub 2k fat loser ❤

I can only imagine how good the monk micro is in a video about microing monks like a pro

What an OP trash cock unit, Knights should counter monks!

Sitaux got REKT!

Summon monks....is OP..

yo dave hello idk if u still play ron but i had a question idk if u could help me everyime u select a control group it doesnt zoom in , cuz for me it zooms in , is there an option to have lt like u ?

I think the jist of it is that monks are a *frustrating* unit more than an OP unit. Losing vs. monks is probably the most frustrating manner to lose in AoE2. This makes the unit a very controversial one and means opinions are naturally going to be magnified. It's easy to call them 'OP' when you lose to them, because you built up a nice army and your opponent can just convert your key units to their side. Feels way worse than losing your army in an honest fight. But as you point out, it's very hard to achieve this as the monk player. You need great timing, reading of the game, heavy micro and you *still* take a big risk by going for (a lot of) monks. Viper phrased it well when he said the RNG aspect of it is probably the thing that drives people mad. Conversion times take between 5-12.5s (4-10 'conversion intervals'; each is about 1.25s) to convert a regular unit (so: non-scout, eagle,...) which is, IMHO, **way** too big of an interval. Make the interval 7.5-10s (6-8 CIs) and it will be much less frustrating to play against them (or with them!). That's the simplest solution. I would also like to see a change to Monastrery techs. * Faith. It is ridiculously expensive: dramatically lower the cost of it (250 food, 250 gold?) and make it available in Castle Age with an additional upgrade for it in imp. * To offset that, I'd like more upgrades in Imperial Age to make monks a bit faster and sturdier (fervor & sanctity upgrades, just like the blacksmith has upgrades for armour types), with possibly an upgrade similar to Inquisition for a few civs instead of just for Spanish. Less RNG + more tech options for monk and anti-monk plays would make everyone happy, I'd hope.

Mobilon jobb és gyorsabb.

Jó analízis. Egy dolog maradt szerintem ki, ami fontos szempont. A papokat az említett mikró igény miatt és sérülékenység miatt alacsony ELO-n eleve nem nagyon használják / nehezebben tanulható, mint a sima meta. Na ha erre még rávarr a játék még egy nerfet akkor a "majdnem lehetetlen" kategóriába eshet a dolog, ami árthat az utánpótlásnak szerintem. Amúgy ha OP lenne a monk, akkor nem a monk-playről elhíresült valakik lennének a top10-ben? Szerintem nem azok vannak ott, akiknek a legjobb a monk micro-ja / play-je, csak max használnak ők is monkot (de természetes, hogy egy játékban felhasználod az egységeket).

Playing monks in AoE2 is a gateway to gambling addiction

New to the game. But from what I have experienced every basic/universal units seems fair. Edit: Only militia seem weak.

All good points when taken on their own, but the problem is that Monks are typically used to defend/Boom, and most of your arguments go out the window in this scenario. Doesn't matter they are slow when beside TC's, enemy units are coming to them, they can Garrison if things get hairy, low hp, np Just jump in a tc etc. Scales poorly, doesn't matter if used to defend a boom you only need 2 - 3, you are not going for a monk army, same with slow production, not such a big deal if you only want 2-3. I could go on. I gotta say though i'm an aggressive player, so it annoys me, as I dont typically make them, only to grab a relic or two. The problem I see it overall is that they stop aggro, and this = boring games.

Who are you anyway.

na monks are broken af

great stuff. much logic. imagine sound and valid well presented arguments in 2023

Great video dude. Love ur insight

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If monks were OP, then missionaries wouldn't be a meme unit that almost no one uses, especially in a game where unit speed is too important when evaluating a unit.

Really nice video

really excellent video!

Most reagált a Viper a videódra ^^

Good vid! And nice to see someone who prefers the older identical trees mod (made by me) :D

Excellent analysis. I would further note that some civs, most notably legacy civs (the initial ones) have abysmal monk tech tree (e.g. Goths, Huns, Vikings, etc). Vikings is something very rarely seen in drafts nowadays, owing to bad Stable and bad Monastery. Many civs that are just powerful in general (e.g. Lithuanians) have full tech trees, while struggling civs (e.g. Huns) have complete garbage. My suggestion would be to give Atonement to all civs, to at least have some counterplay if it's Mango vs Mango, but they have Redemption and you have neither Redemption nor Atonement.

I 100% see what you mean and what you're talking about. At the same time, i honestly wouldn't argue if they ended up costing 125 gold at some point down the line.

Instead of going into the full breakdown as you did I kept it simple. Yo is considered.the best monk pro player yet he is not dominating. The best monk civs are not top 10 with maybe the exception of Aztecs. Before the cost of crossbows were increased the best micro players were dominating.

what a troll, saying monks are not op and that they die to mangudai while showing the dominatig mangudai an winning a game. the charging on buildings was broken. good fix.

I'm with you on this one dave

Very thorough analysis. The problem is how would you approach the nerfing of monks. Better to leave it be

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Nice one, dave. I think most, if not all, that needed to be said was said. Aoe2, at its core, is a game of tradeoffs. In their attempt to try and speed up the meta in the early game with insane 18 pop scouts, 17 pop archers, and the like into super fast Castle times with minimal army, pros didn’t factor in the fact that monks, which excel against minimal army numbers, become proportionally more powerful in a typical game. They basically want to play this way with impunity. And now that they’re seeing the drawbacks of their precious new meta, they can’t take it, deflect, and misdiagnose monks as the issue. What they REALLY should be doing is slowing down their meta. But we all know that’s not gonna happen with the likes of Hera, Margougou, and all the other high-profile complainers. Takes less brain power to complain that something is OP rather than trying to reassess and reform their meta.