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Yeah we measured it on a track walk, its 8.5 feet from the wall to the spike tip, a Z is about 7.5 feet wide in my configuration so I knew there was space to try it. Car was fine, but I agree not too much different from before speed wise if you take the wide line. I think the first attempt line would only work as a desperate pass but its not saving anyone any time.

Have to disagree with you on this one, probably the most fun part of this track to drive in my opinion. Also Tommy isn't the sole reason for this add, primarily NASCAR accidents (the big one being McDuffie's fatality the year prior). To each their own I guess.

TK didn't "blow it", you nonce, he had huge mechanical failure.

Its a great time, really well maintained and fun track.

If you're talking about the NASA day, I'll be leading the DE1 classroom with another one of my good friends

No they wouldn't. Things start changing here a little bit when you start adding serious amounts of aero or are very high HP. I assume from your pic that you are talking about the Cayman, this is a good baseline for that car.

Yep 981 Cayman GTS, good spot. I currently drive a GTI, but am looking for a Cayman to track. @@radratracing3225

Yeah, the organization I run with (NASA) pretty much holds exclusively multi class stuff on road course. The exception is usually the national championships where each class gets their own race, but it takes place over a few days.

I took the class in 2001 there was a veteran champion from the scca division teaching that was very good. Do uou know of him? I cant remember name

Throwaway does not mean slow, just that you compromise your line to get more speed later. If you try to drive it as fast as you can, you will end up off the track as the marbles all go to the hill side in between the turns. Actually you will lose the rear and shoot across the track and end up off driver’s left.

Hah, well if you're at the NASA day I'll be there. Also there Sunday. Hope you have a good time

In a Miata, Lightning hands down. I think, in general, Lightning is a more rewarding track to drive but Thunder really has some fun fast corners.

It's something you have to work up to but pretty much anything can take turn 3 wide open as long as you have the brakes to stop for turn 4. Thats the real limiting factor on turn 3. The supercharged BRZ I was using in this video has no aero and I do about 125 through there foot all the way down. That said, dont show up on day 1 and think "yeah I can do this wide open I saw it on the internet" you still have to build into that speed since, like I point out in the video, theres a pretty massive bump for where the NASCAR safer barriers get installed.

@@radratracing3225 I understand but I have been to Pocono North Many times I ran it 55.1 and I don’t see how you can that the turn flat out at 130MPH that’s 208 km/h the bump/deep is huge across the whole entry I will not believe it until I see it…. Maybe with 2 tons Aero and with 0 bump the it’s a possibility

@@IgorekGQ While I appreciate your perspective, I have several hundred laps on Pocono north, run races there and instructed with several organizations. You are correct that the bump is the width of the track but it is much more severe on the far right of the entry. Since the track was damp the day I shot this and I never go full tilt when I'm filming for these videos, I lifted to about 50% throttle for turn 3 in the laps shown, but I can assure you that on a normal dry day I take that wide open at 125-130 with 0 areo on my car. Again I want to stress that is not something you should attempt on your first outing here, but it is possible for most vehicles.

Trust me I am all for it when you do so please let me see the Logs I would love to see it and if it’s true then I can run there probably 52-53 second.

Actually planned to shoot a Summit video last year but I melted the cats in my BRZ and blocked the entire exhaust. Hoping to get to it this year. Glad this one was helpful and good luck!

@@radratracing3225 Question is this track suitable for IndyCar

Looks like they did in September of '22. Good catch, I hadn't heard this news yet. Pretty fitting name.

I have a paul story to. As a fresh out of high school and working at a print shop on bethel danbury line bob sharp moved his race shop from wilton to his new dealership next door shop was in the back left which was just out the window of my press. I watched a lot while the tge press ran. And way i saw paul was there and went out to get closer . Loved kool hand luke and was told opening seen where he is cutting the parking meters off wa filmed behind our apartment next to the big gas ball. In downtown danbury. I dont know if true but it looks like the area. Anyway paul signed a bob sharp picture with the famed 33 datsun 240 or 260 z for me .i have no idea where that ended up. One more thing the printshop i worked at was united reproductions and Big tom the owner also owned and sponsered . Chick stockwells famed 3 window 34 coupe at Danbury 151

The short answer is yes, especially turns 2 and 7 I turn in earlier compared to the tutorial video. Now to expand on that, for my tutorial videos I tend to show what someone who NEVER has been to the track before should be aiming to drive. GENERALLY, its safer to turn into a corner later because it reduces your entry speed to the corner turn in point and you dont slingshot yourself into the grass on exit. Once you know where the car is going to be on exit compared to where you turn in, you start backing the turn in up a little bit to carry more speed through the apex and exit. I will tell a student maybe to take it easy on the curbs (and because the tutorial videos are aimed at new drivers I use less curb there) but there is no such thing as "too much" curb. If you're gonna give me another 2 widths I can carry speed onto (like the exit of turn 2 here) I'm going to use it, because its ultimately faster. Its a matter of teaching safe, repeatable lines in the tutorials vs going as fast as I can in the race (and taking whats given to me space wise). Have fun at TB.

@@radratracing3225 Very interesting and helpful, thanks for your detailed response!

I do actually, I will be instructing that event as well.

@@radratracing3225 what course layout is used for the school? Do the add the chicanes?

Thanks! I actually tried to shoot Limerock earlier this year, but there was literally hail. Hope to have it end of summer or at the latest early next spring.

@@radratracing3225 The event in April? I was there too. I had the blue 1981 Corolla

@@JamesSeal Yep, I saw that car. I think I saw you at lightning as well. I'll try to shoot LRP again in the July event.

Sorry for the wildly late reply on this. The group I raced with at the time (and instruct for now) utilize whats called multi class racing. The idea is much like 24 hours LeMans or Daytona, there are several classes on track at once all having their individual races. Some times if the field is large enough, only Spec Miata will be present on the track, but typically there isnt enough time in the day for every class to have its own race, so we condense them into two multi class races.

Hahaha I believe you were in lightening tho.