I stayed with them in 2010 as a WWOOFer, and I never thought they would have authorized something like filming them and publishing the video on TH-cam!
Real Yeshua Community We need to make Real Yeshua Community. Yeshua is with us and is concentrating His Energy, Attention, Magnetism and Spirit on our Endeavor to make His New Community Sprout on the Earth! It is always a mystery the way Yeshua wins our Hearts to Him, to focus all our attention, energy, resources and love on Him and His Way. This is a new energy in the earth right now, that we are inspired and our hearts are turned to Him, and we are in Hope and Awe of what He can do on the earth through us because we need His Head, and He needs our bodies, and minds, and hearts, and resources to be focused on Him and His goal for this to succeed. And He is at the door. Knocking and hoping we will open our hearts to Him. and open our lives to be the demonstration of His Play. Because we believe in Him. And long to walk in His Way and to know His Wisdom.
The people in 12 tribes prey on the vulnerable and beat their children with a rod. Their leader Gene Spriggs preaches against homosexuality but likes to get pounded in the ass by young boys for real.
The twelve tribes community is a beautiful place. I only lived there for a year and i plan on returning in the next couple days but anyone who slanders the name of the tribes is wrong. Liars. I am not biased either, not brainwashed. We simply try to live the life that the first believers did some thousands of years ago. Apart from these videos.. we share meals together, we work HARD ( but its good for the soul ) we are commanded int eh scriptures to work 6 days and rest on the sabbath.. the sabbath consist of going on walks, sleeping, spending time with family, playing music, festivities, eating.. well everyhting apart from that is beautiful.. we praise our father twice a day morning and evening.. we lift our hands in prayers... we taLK about real life and how to get over and put our enemies (demons) under our feet and we confront them head on unlike most of the world who put them aside. the children are not beat they are very happy. they are diciplined with a flimsy thin wooden rod no larger than two full pencils.. The children after getting corrected or diciplined are almost immediately forgetful of it and go back to living a normal kid life being happy. the children here in the communities actyually have it better they grow up without being stained by the opreverse generation and technology that todays society is indulged in and they grow up with numerous other children and families to help and support them gorwing up.. The men and women are THE NICEST peiople you will ever meet in your lifetime. I say that with an unbiased and very serious heart. This life is not for everyone but if you can live it and want to, it will be the most rewarding and beautiful form of exasistence you will ever experience. - Randel Show less REPLY
"Place to be, the most amazing place to be." Everytime you visit these people they are casting spells on you. “Follow you, follow you,” these people are as bad as Jay Z or anyone else casting spells on people through language and music. Not nice. I'm not a saint yet nor perfect but they are imposters and will love you to death, literally . please write to your representative or community to have these people and one day all churches, Masonic temples, mosques, destroyed. We should all be dead now but by the grace of the Universal God we have been saved for future redemption. The twelve tribes are not the way, I've spent time with them. Love in fact is a spell they use to control and manipulate people. There is only one God(s) who has spoken and manifested to many people through Spirit at many different times. If you want to get to the source of what these people supposedly worship go to Israel and Mea Shearim in Jerusalem. That is closer but still not original. I've spent time with these people and they come across as being nice, loving and nurturing but they are harboring Spirits of Control. They say "don't you like THIS PLACE. ? You know WHERE we LIVE come back and visit us? You shouldn't leave US HERE." They Holy Spirit is not a PLACE you people. I pray to GOD that he will wake you up from your supposed annointing. Yeah, I am attacking that spirit just as you people attacked me and my family through witchcraft. By God I proclaim healing over me and my family and that I am protected. There is justice and it will be enacted at the appropriate time. Where I live there is talk of cancelling the permit for the yellow deli. Praise God for justice.
Bizarre In the next age, the apostle will rule over Israel restored to the land of promise, Gen. 15:18. They will sit on thrones judging these 12 tribes. Before that age comes, Israel today must not live like the gentiles , doing what the gentiles do their cows, chickens, goats and children. Nor should they eat anything that comes along. Some gentiles raise chickens in tiny pens and pump them full of things that make them grow to the size you can eat them in 14 weeks instead of the normal 6 months. Then people eat them and all the diseases of the nations come upon them. Paul told the Ephesians not to live like the nations in the futility of their minds. We know that God’s holy law will be fulfilled if we live by the power of the Spirit, in obedience to the commandments of YAHSHUA and the commandments of our God. Thus we will be that distinct people. - More on the First and Second Death Our emblem is (Rev. 12:1) a pregnant woman clothed with the sun and with the moon under her feet. The moon has always been known for its great effect upon the EMOTIONS of men. It is very true that the moon in its different phases has a dramatic effect on man’s behavior…. The tides of the earth, the growth of plants and trees, the birth of babies, etc., are all greatly effected by these pressures of the moon and stars. As men observed this, they were even able to chart men’s behavior in horoscopes by watching how people’s actions changed at different times. Women, who are “weaker vessels,” are more influenced by their emotions, are the ones who are chosen to be pictured in this sign who is effected by the moon or who must put the moon under her feet. But when woman does it (especially in a pregnant condition which is well known to be the time when a woman is the most emotional), men will also find the grace to rule over their feelings. These will be the violent people who take the kingdom. - Burnt Offering, Sus Giving our life as a living sacrifice, laying down our life, will bring about the end of Satan’s tyranny and dominion on this earth. Rom. 12:1-2; Gen. 1:26. We who live together for the cause of God on earth are the executioners of this fallen spiritual army, which has been the cause of the many woes of man for the past 6000 years. - Consequential Effect Apostasy is having doctrinal truth but not having faith! They hold an outward form of righteousness. They hold to their profession of Christian beliefs and go to church and “do good,” but inwardly they are vicious wolves. - Apostasy - Apostate Israel This is the time of the day we remember Him. Right at the end of the Sabbath and the beginning of the first day. When the sun goes down, the Sabbath ends and the first day begins. It is obvious that Christianity has the wrong person (who died on Friday and rose on Sunday). But the real, Savior spent three days and three nights in death (not one and a half). - Out of His Side All lawlessness comes under 3 heads: 1. Fornication 2. Avarice 3. Service of the belly - The 10th Commandment Do not just listen to the word and deceive yourself, but do what it says. We look in the mirror to see what is wrong with us, not to see how beautiful we are. If we see something hanging out our nose and don’t clean it, we will shame our Master’s name. We take care of what is wrong; we don’t walk away. - Desire Millet is one of the most wonderful foods you can eat. Millet has laetrile in it - it combats cancer. Birds love it. Some people say it’s for the birds. Birds aren’t dying of cancer - but men are. The whole world is under the power of the evil one - a deluding influence. So we can eat millet every day - like manna. If we have eggs from our own chickens we can eat it with eggs sometimes, but with the awful things they do to chicken to produce eggs, we don’t want to eat so many of them. We should drink enough water so that our urine is not yellow and smelly. This will save us great amounts of money and we will not have to flush the toilet so much. - Brazil When parental authority is rebelled against, it opens the door to come against all constituted authority. Honoring those who are over you, those who are honorable (especially parents) releases a special hormone from your brain, permeating your body, that gives long life. If you don’t do this that hormone dries up and your bones dry up. The disobedient don’t live long. The life span of a homosexual is about 40 years. This is not because of AIDS. They die of a bad conscience. - Desire Meat markets are deplorable; rotted meats, corrupted hamburger, (embalmed meats), sick cows already dead but kept alive by pumping them full of medicines. - Concerning Food There is no use praying for colds if you are not sleeping with your window open. It is a breeding place for all kinds of viruses, etc. You deserve colds and everything else if you do not do this. This is how you revitalize yourself, because your body gives off poisons as you rest and you need new air coming in. That’s why people who live outside all the time seldom get colds. You do not have to get crazy and open it all the way up on the coldest night. But use common sense. But it is always something we are doing wrong - coughing in people’s faces or something. If you can help it suppress your cough. The more you suppress it, the better it is. 75% of the time you do not have to cough. And drink your water too. Native Vermonters exposed their children to the cold weather a little bit, with common sense. We have been raised like sissies, so we get colds and sneezes. If you do not try to resist these things, they just come upon you. You cannot just receive these things, but resist it. The brain controls the body. - Breaking of Bread 11/25/89 They all called out on the name of the Son, YAHSHUA, who is powerful to save. It says in (Mt. 1:21) that Yahshua would come to save His people from their sins, so we are protected by using His name (Jn. 17:12). There is no name more powerful, and it is given to us as our protection from any evil. - Willing 11/13/92 I Peter 2:11-12 speaks of a day before the printing press and mass media - U.P.I, A.P; T.V. networks and telephones and modern communications, but God is still not hindered by any means. A miscommunication within the church, a failure to pick up a person on time is exploited and blown out of all proportion by the false witness of the day, the press and the media. - 5th Commandment All the nations are ever going to see of God is us. - The Trinity 7/94 This love is Ahavah and Agape love (they are the same). The word Agape rarely occurs in the Greek manuscripts - because they don’t have God. They can’t comprehend or relate to it. Only the Hebrew brings it out as a “raging fire.” - What it Means to be Justified by Faith 6/19/94
I got into some trouble and was afraid to tell. I told one of the other youth and told her not to tell. She saved my life and told on me. - Youth Confessions 6/26/94 You’re to tell on your husband, tell on your brothers and sisters. That’s love. To not do this is hate and then you’re a murderer because you are robbing them of life. - Seeking First His Kingdom/Washings/The Narrow Road, 4/1/94 If you see brother or sister doing something that is not right and you spare them and don’t say anything even though you know they are lifting up their soul to idols then you become guilty. Ezek. 3:18-21 His blood is on your hands. We must blow the trumpet. - Diligence/ Expose the Deeds of Darkness There is no underground in the Edah. It can’t even be tolerated in your own family with your own (husband or wife). Somehow our children grew up in the underground. Love your brothers and sisters and tell on them. Then you won’t be deceived and they will live because they heeded your warning. - Diligence/Expose the Deeds of Darkness 3/30/94 If we’re not diligent, we’re not secure. We have people around who don’t love us enough to blow the whistle on us. - Diligence/Expose the Deeds of Darkness 3/30/94 We have to be cleansed from our dullness and never allow a brother to drift off. Don’t be afraid to tell on a brother. Am I my brother’s keeper? Or am I a murderer? - Diligence/Expose the Deeds of Darkness Tell on one another - get help for people - don’t pass by one another - be a good Samaritan. - Seeking First His Kingdom - No “Underground” 4/14/94
On that sunday long ago in Tennessee, had Elbert Eugene Spriggs only taken a deep breath and counted to ten, then phoned up his minister and asked if he could watch the Superbowl with him, maybe Spriggs would have learned the meaning of fellowship. Instead he got angry and made a decision, in anger, to start his own religion. So you see gentle readers, Twelve Tribes religious cult, friend to pedophiles and child beaters, was born out of anger, an angry emotional reaction and we can only conclude that any so called spiritual movement born out of anger, is a miscreant religion, and carries no spiritual or divine authority. Spriggs acted out of spite and fury because his minister decided to watch a football game instead of a sermon. That is how Twelve Tribes was born, out of the anger of a disgruntled man child with a very small mind and an axe to grind. Twelve Tribes is a false religion and as such is doomed to self destruction. In fact it is already decaying and rotting from the inside. Members are leaving in droves, especially the younger folk, who have had enough of the control freak elders and the child abuse requirements, in fact many of these young members were born into the cult and have had the sense and intelligence to know that the life of abuse they lived is not the norm by any means in any society.
Protect the Abuser The Twelve Tribes sect defends its own -- aiding accused child molesters )By Eric Alan Barton Thursday, Jun 3 2004 On a spring morning two years ago, Kimberly Peck saw something shocking in the hut where her daughters were sleeping. Peck, then a member of the Twelve Tribes religious cult, lived with her family in Quonset-style huts on a Central Florida compound. Her new husband, Jeff Leonard, went over to her daughters' tent every morning to wake the girls, and that, she says, was when she witnessed the abuse firsthand. As Peck watched in fear, 45-year-old Leonard began caressing one of the girls, kissing his stepdaughter intimately and rubbing his hands over places he shouldn't, she told authorities later. When he was finished, he moved over to her younger sister, Peck claims. Peck said she would've tried to stop it if she weren't so alone in the woods. Soon, Peck would learn how alone she was. Peck spoke to her children, and all three of them -- two daughters and a son -- said they had been molested by their stepfather. Peck went to the elders in Twelve Tribes. She wanted justice. Instead, the tribe elders -- who claim to be so strict about carnal relations that couples found holding hands are forced to marry -- covered up the abuse and protected Leonard from criminal charges. They hid him at another of the cult's properties in Georgia, Peck says, with the concurrence of prosecutors and police. Jeff Leonard, looking good in stripes Peck fled from Twelve Tribes in part so she could see Leonard prosecuted. He is now in the DeSoto County Jail facing charges of sexual battery and lewd and lascivious acts, which could send him to prison for decades. Leonard may also face charges in West Palm Beach, where Peck says he molested her son. The case is one of two strikingly similar criminal investigations in Florida against members of the reclusive Twelve Tribes cult. Another tribe member, David Drews, faces charges of fondling a girl at the cult's compound in West Palm Beach. The charges, if proved true, would seem to support claims by the group's many critics that Twelve Tribes often ignores child abuse and protects its members from criminal charges. Police and prosecutors in DeSoto County say the tribe's leaders ignored Peck's reports that her children had been assaulted and took efforts to hamper the criminal case. "Investigators have had difficulties with the Twelve Tribes," says Lon Arend, the assistant state attorney prosecuting Leonard. "They have taken steps to impede the investigation." The tribe's compound in Arcadia opened two years ago as the group began moving from its West Palm Beach location, which served as its Florida headquarters for the past five years. Only a couple of members still live in the West Palm compound off Southern Boulevard on Willis Road that consists of several modest brown buildings surrounded by a weed-filled yard. The group still plans to recruit members in South Florida, even after it closes the West Palm branch in the next few months. Twelve Tribes owns land in Fort Myers, Orlando, and Highlands Beach, where members have actively recruited, mainly among devout religious organizations. The Florida locations are among 22 facilities in the United States and 11 more across the globe, housing a total of about 3,000 members. The 30-year-old group is the brainchild of Elbert Eugene Spriggs, a former factory executive and scoutmaster from Tennessee who now goes by the name Yoneq. Spriggs conceived of the organization after serving a stint as a carnival worker, where he says he saw sin firsthand and sought a life that would avoid it. Yoneq's whereabouts are known only to church elders, though there have been reports that he lives a lavish lifestyle in the Mediterranean. The cult practices a mix of Christian and Jewish beliefs, celebrating both Sunday services and a Friday Sabbath with fireside dancing and a feast. Members must sign over all their possessions to join and are discouraged from independent thought that strays from Yoneq's biblical teachings. They claim to live simple and strictly devout lives, with little contact with the outside world, often in tents or trailers on remote farms or in communal homes. While members say they seek a life following the laws taught in the Bible, ex-members say leaders have corrupted that dream by tightening the rules, forcing women and young children into servitude and men into submission to elders. Former members say the group helps converts hide their children from spouses, shuffling members to other locations to avoid criminal charges, and ignoring reports of child abuse. But members have rarely, if ever, been convicted of child abuse, despite rampant claims by ex-members, says Bob Pardon, director of the New England Institute of Religious Studies. One of the institute's missions is to expose cults. "This is the classic thought reform environment," Pardon says from his office in Massachusetts. "Members have little freedom." Former members say the abuse occurs because Twelve Tribes adults are encouraged to discipline children they have seen committing sin, often using resin-covered whips to administer punishment. Current tribe members deny these claims, saying that they spank only disobedient children. The two Florida branches are run by four elders, including Steve Nelson, who spoke of the abuse cases last week while sitting under an oak tree at the Arcadia compound. The abuse allegations are a test from God, Nelson says. "The very reason our God had us come together is so that we can help each other," says the Vietnam veteran, a member for 22 years. "We will help these men get through this." Nelson, an intense, bearded man who speaks with obvious conviction, says that the tribe confronted Leonard and that he confessed to having thoughts of molesting the children. But Nelson says Leonard denied touching them, so the tribe decided against bringing him to authorities. Instead, it sent Leonard to live on a tribe-owned ship called the Avany inBrunswick, Georgia, where he worked in the group's boat repair business. Peck told investigators she tried to divorce Leonard about six months after she reported the abuse. Tribe members told her they had made the decision that she could not get a divorce and that she should join her husband in Georgia, according to court documents. Peck fled the tribe and now lives in North Florida. Like the Leonard case, the West Palm Beach charges stem from the claims of a 6-year-old girl who says she was abused by 25-year-old David Drews. The girl told investigators Drews began sexually assaulting her the day her family moved into the tribe's West Palm Beach compound in 2001 and continued until they left months later. Drews lived in the room next door and fondled the girl during games of hide-and-seek, she told investigators. Afraid to report the abuse to tribe elders, the girl instead told her story in February to a counselor with the Department of Children and Families. Eric Alan Barton A Palm Beach County Sheriff's Officedetective questioned Drews on May 13, and according to court documents, he confessed to molesting the girl. A judge agreed earlier this month to release Drews on house arrest, but he's still being held at the Palm Beach County Jail waiting for paperwork to be processed. Meanwhile, in an Arcadia courtroom last week, Leonard asked Circuit Court Judge James S. Parker to release him on bail before his trial. Like others in Twelve Tribes, Leonard wore his jet-black hair in a short ponytail, and his scraggly beard nearly touched his chest. He told the judge that tribe members would likely post his bail. "I have limited assets -- a van, tools," he said. "By our beliefs, we hold all things in common." The judge agreed to set a $250,000 bail for Leonard. Tribe elder Nelson says members haven't decided whether to post the bail, since they would likely have to put up some of the tribe's property as collateral. As Nelson spoke, several members worked in the blazing afternoon sun building what looked like a drainage ditch to the goat pen, and a woman in an Amish-style dress brought them water in a bucket. Nelson said the tribe will help members like Leonard face their sin. "He had come to the place where he had surrendered himself to God, Yeshua, so we will always help him," Nelson said. "It seemed he [Leonard] was being very up-front and honest about his situation." As for whether to post the bail, Nelson said the answer will come with prayer. "It is not like we hear voices out of heaven," he said. "We know God speaks to his followers and gives his wisdom to many counselors, so we will listen to him on this matter".
A letter from the Apostle Shaul to the Disciples in the Twelve Tribes Communities... 1Shaul, an apostle-sent not from men nor by a man, but by Yahshua Ha' Mashiach and God the Father, who raised him from the dead- and all the brothers and sisters with me, To the churches in the Twelve Tribes Communities: 3Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Messiah Yahshua, who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. No Other Gospel 6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Messiah and are turning to a different gospel- 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Messiah. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse! 10 Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Messiah. Shaul Called by God 11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Yahshua Ha' Mashiach. 13 For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it. 14 I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers. 15 But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me by his grace, was pleased 16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, my immediate response was not to consult any human being. 17 I did not go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went into Arabia. Later I returned to Damascus. 18 Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Cephas and stayed with him fifteen days. 19 I saw none of the other apostles-only James, the Lord’s brother. 20 I assure you before God that what I am writing you is no lie. 21 Then I went to Syria and Cilicia. 22 I was personally unknown to the churches of Judea that are in Christ. 23 They only heard the report: “The man who formerly persecuted us is now preaching the faith he once tried to destroy.” 24 And they praised God because of me. Paul Accepted by the Apostles 2Then after fourteen years, I went up again to Jerusalem, this time with Barnabas. I took Titus along also. I went in response to a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not running and had not been running my race in vain. Yet not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, even though he was a Greek. This matter arose because some false believers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Yahshua Ha' Mashiach and to make us slaves. We did not give in to them for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you. 6As for those who were held in high esteem-whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not show favoritism-they added nothing to my message. 7On the contrary, they recognized that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised,just as Peter had been to the circumcised. 8 For God, who was at work in Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, was also at work in me as an apostle to the Gentiles. 9James, Cephas and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised. 10 All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor, the very thing I had been eager to do all along. Paul Opposes Cephas 11 When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group (natural seed). 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray. 14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? 15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Yahshua Ha' Mashiach. So we, too, have put our faith in Yahshua Ha' Mashiach that we may be justified by faith in Messiah and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified. 17“But if, in seeking to be justified in Messiah, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Messiah promotes sin? Absolutely not! If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker. 19“For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Messiah and I no longer live, but Messiah lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Messiah died for nothing!” Faith or Works of the Law 3You foolish disciples of the Twelve Tribes! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Yahshua Ha' Mashiach was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? Have you experienced so much in vain-if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” 7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. (natural or spiritual) 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. 10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”(living by the LAW) 13 Messiah redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Yahshua Ha' Mashiach, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
Child Discipline “When there is a stubborn child you should shorten the child’s life?” Whether is a stubborn child you should shorten the child’s life. It limits the family. - Training up our children in the way they should go Yesterday I was down at the river and Yochanan (Haggai’s son) was swimming and I saw that he had stripes on his bottom. I thought that if there were other people there and they saw those marks, they would know that he has a father who loves his him. - Breaking of Bread 7/15/89 From the cradle to the grave you must discipline your children. From the age of 6 months you would start disciplining them with a rod on the palm of their hands and then you would stop when they are about one year old. From there you would discipline the children with a rod on their buttocks until they submit ….. Elbert Spriggs (Yoneq) Our children need to fear the rod. The severity of our discipline should cause them to never want to be disciplined again. Don’t be afraid of your “baby.” That he is going to be more than you can handle if you confront his bad attitudes or deal with his disobedience. For we have no other purpose than to deal with our children… So, take action and “beat the tar out of him.” - Letter from Abel 4/6/85 The method needs to be controlled, slow and hard. He should never want another wippen (sic) as long as he lives. Elders Meeting 2/11/78 Reproof gives wisdom to the child. Submission comes only through reverent submission (fear) of the Lord. Execute judgment and draw blood. - Elders Meeting 2/11/78 A six month old baby can be trained what no means. Lightly use the rod and your hand. When the baby is wiggling when their diaper is changed, spank them to stop wiggling. - Apostolic Workers Meeting 3/16/88 A man who beats his son frequently will reap the benefits. He will be proud of him among his acquaintances. - Letter from Abel 4/6/85 Bend his neck and bruise his ribs while he is young. Allow him no independence in childhood, or he will hurt you very deeply. Be strict with your son and persevere if not then you will nurture his insolence. - Letter from Abel 4/6/85
I posted a comment/question on this Twelve Tribes media video called When the spanking stopped all hell broke loose th-cam.com/video/idKaZlcwWtc/w-d-xo.html and they took it out. I was politely asking and since they can't censure this comment I will ask again, ANY MEMBER WANTS TO ANSWER THIS POLITE QUESTION PLEASE:?" yOU MENTION IN YOUR VIDEO When spanking stopped all hell broke loose that spanking kids was once just the norm. You are affirming this implying that the Twelve Tribes spank their kids the good old fashioned way, before society went very liberal and out of bounds of good morality. My question to you, member of the Twelve Tribes : In what time or epoch did parents spank their kids from 6 months old as Eugene Spriggs orders parents to do and has been reported to be in effect in all communities?
That's so unfair, being far away from people of heart, love, and peace.. ;) I ll report this to God to make me meet all of you asap 12 Tribes, brothers & sisters.. :p Word speaks empty, heart speaks love.. Love one another..
I am happy for you guys you got to spend some lovely times in Winnipeg, it's always good to meet people when travelling. Sorry to pop your bubble but as an ex-member of this group I have to point to the fact you are unwittingly providing free advertisement for what is a cult. Free lovely food, dancing, rejoicing, happy children's faces...they even let the guest play his instrument. They break their own rules, they'll work overtime, they'll overcome their rotten feelings and their tiredness...they'll do anything to make you feel at home and make you feel loved. To them it is a small price to pay in view of the goods in sight: a new member who will hand them out their money and possessions, all the years of their life until they either die or leave, produce much income, children for them brainwash once they've married you off to you lovely submissive wife they will provide for you. Oh boy...talking about conartists, these people have it down to fine art. The most pernicious of this is: most of them don't con you maliciously...they just think they love you and want to save your soul from eternal torment...
CB for someone who knows nothing about Twelve Tribes you sure go out of your way to defend them against indefensible fact based accusations. So much that I am identifying you as a member of Twelve Tribes.
I said i dont know 'enough' about them,not 'nothing'.But you obviously think you "know it all".So is everyone else that comments in their favor TT members?seems like they have people outside of their group who are for them.Wake up alcrow. You call them a cult but i would say you are apart of a cult if you are spreading propaganda.To be honest with you i am not interested in your petty debates about them..So please stop messaging me.
for extensive info, videos, articles, ex-members testimonies and news on this cult check out question12tribes.com and twelvetribes-ex.com. Based in locations all over the US, in Canada, France, Spain, UK, Czech Rep., Argentina, Germany, Australia, Brazil they recruit through their cafes called Common Ground, Yellow Deli, Preserved Seed, Mate Factor, various enterprises they run, through WOOF, HelpX, Workaway, Couchsurfing, Intentional Communities Fellowship and through all the many festivals and markets they go to in search for more converts.
How do you become a fake church to avoid paying taxes? Asking for myself.
I was there for 3 years. So glad I'm out.
I stayed with them in 2010 as a WWOOFer, and I never thought they would have authorized something like filming them and publishing the video on TH-cam!
Do you have a community in Michigan?
I grew up here as did my parents. We left in 2009. Good people, horrible ideology
Real Yeshua Community We need to make Real Yeshua Community. Yeshua is with us and is concentrating His Energy, Attention, Magnetism and Spirit on our Endeavor to make His New Community Sprout on the Earth! It is always a mystery the way Yeshua wins our Hearts to Him, to focus all our attention, energy, resources and love on Him and His Way. This is a new energy in the earth right now, that we are inspired and our hearts are turned to Him, and we are in Hope and Awe of what He can do on the earth through us because we need His Head, and He needs our bodies, and minds, and hearts, and resources to be focused on Him and His goal for this to succeed. And He is at the door. Knocking and hoping we will open our hearts to Him. and open our lives to be the demonstration of His Play. Because we believe in Him. And long to walk in His Way and to know His Wisdom.
The people in 12 tribes prey on the vulnerable and beat their children with a rod. Their leader Gene Spriggs preaches against homosexuality but likes to get pounded in the ass by young boys for real.
Is this like a Jewish tribe ?
The twelve tribes community is a beautiful place. I only lived there for a year and i plan on returning in the next couple days but anyone who slanders the name of the tribes is wrong. Liars. I am not biased either, not brainwashed. We simply try to live the life that the first believers did some thousands of years ago. Apart from these videos.. we share meals together, we work HARD ( but its good for the soul ) we are commanded int eh scriptures to work 6 days and rest on the sabbath.. the sabbath consist of going on walks, sleeping, spending time with family, playing music, festivities, eating.. well everyhting apart from that is beautiful.. we praise our father twice a day morning and evening.. we lift our hands in prayers... we taLK about real life and how to get over and put our enemies (demons) under our feet and we confront them head on unlike most of the world who put them aside. the children are not beat they are very happy. they are diciplined with a flimsy thin wooden rod no larger than two full pencils.. The children after getting corrected or diciplined are almost immediately forgetful of it and go back to living a normal kid life being happy. the children here in the communities actyually have it better they grow up without being stained by the opreverse generation and technology that todays society is indulged in and they grow up with numerous other children and families to help and support them gorwing up.. The men and women are THE NICEST peiople you will ever meet in your lifetime. I say that with an unbiased and very serious heart. This life is not for everyone but if you can live it and want to, it will be the most rewarding and beautiful form of exasistence you will ever experience. - Randel Show less REPLY
"Place to be, the most amazing place to be." Everytime you visit these people they are casting spells on you. “Follow you, follow you,” these people are as bad as Jay Z or anyone else casting spells on people through language and music. Not nice. I'm not a saint yet nor perfect but they are imposters and will love you to death, literally . please write to your representative or community to have these people and one day all churches, Masonic temples, mosques, destroyed. We should all be dead now but by the grace of the Universal God we have been saved for future redemption. The twelve tribes are not the way, I've spent time with them. Love in fact is a spell they use to control and manipulate people. There is only one God(s) who has spoken and manifested to many people through Spirit at many different times. If you want to get to the source of what these people supposedly worship go to Israel and Mea Shearim in Jerusalem. That is closer but still not original. I've spent time with these people and they come across as being nice, loving and nurturing but they are harboring Spirits of Control. They say "don't you like THIS PLACE. ? You know WHERE we LIVE come back and visit us? You shouldn't leave US HERE." They Holy Spirit is not a PLACE you people. I pray to GOD that he will wake you up from your supposed annointing. Yeah, I am attacking that spirit just as you people attacked me and my family through witchcraft. By God I proclaim healing over me and my family and that I am protected. There is justice and it will be enacted at the appropriate time. Where I live there is talk of cancelling the permit for the yellow deli. Praise God for justice.
The 12 tribes must have a lot of patience to be able to put up with these obnoxious, loud mouthed, over bearing visitors.
Bizarre In the next age, the apostle will rule over Israel restored to the land of promise, Gen. 15:18. They will sit on thrones judging these 12 tribes. Before that age comes, Israel today must not live like the gentiles , doing what the gentiles do their cows, chickens, goats and children. Nor should they eat anything that comes along. Some gentiles raise chickens in tiny pens and pump them full of things that make them grow to the size you can eat them in 14 weeks instead of the normal 6 months. Then people eat them and all the diseases of the nations come upon them. Paul told the Ephesians not to live like the nations in the futility of their minds. We know that God’s holy law will be fulfilled if we live by the power of the Spirit, in obedience to the commandments of YAHSHUA and the commandments of our God. Thus we will be that distinct people. - More on the First and Second Death Our emblem is (Rev. 12:1) a pregnant woman clothed with the sun and with the moon under her feet. The moon has always been known for its great effect upon the EMOTIONS of men. It is very true that the moon in its different phases has a dramatic effect on man’s behavior…. The tides of the earth, the growth of plants and trees, the birth of babies, etc., are all greatly effected by these pressures of the moon and stars. As men observed this, they were even able to chart men’s behavior in horoscopes by watching how people’s actions changed at different times. Women, who are “weaker vessels,” are more influenced by their emotions, are the ones who are chosen to be pictured in this sign who is effected by the moon or who must put the moon under her feet. But when woman does it (especially in a pregnant condition which is well known to be the time when a woman is the most emotional), men will also find the grace to rule over their feelings. These will be the violent people who take the kingdom. - Burnt Offering, Sus Giving our life as a living sacrifice, laying down our life, will bring about the end of Satan’s tyranny and dominion on this earth. Rom. 12:1-2; Gen. 1:26. We who live together for the cause of God on earth are the executioners of this fallen spiritual army, which has been the cause of the many woes of man for the past 6000 years. - Consequential Effect Apostasy is having doctrinal truth but not having faith! They hold an outward form of righteousness. They hold to their profession of Christian beliefs and go to church and “do good,” but inwardly they are vicious wolves. - Apostasy - Apostate Israel This is the time of the day we remember Him. Right at the end of the Sabbath and the beginning of the first day. When the sun goes down, the Sabbath ends and the first day begins. It is obvious that Christianity has the wrong person (who died on Friday and rose on Sunday). But the real, Savior spent three days and three nights in death (not one and a half). - Out of His Side All lawlessness comes under 3 heads: 1. Fornication 2. Avarice 3. Service of the belly - The 10th Commandment Do not just listen to the word and deceive yourself, but do what it says. We look in the mirror to see what is wrong with us, not to see how beautiful we are. If we see something hanging out our nose and don’t clean it, we will shame our Master’s name. We take care of what is wrong; we don’t walk away. - Desire Millet is one of the most wonderful foods you can eat. Millet has laetrile in it - it combats cancer. Birds love it. Some people say it’s for the birds. Birds aren’t dying of cancer - but men are. The whole world is under the power of the evil one - a deluding influence. So we can eat millet every day - like manna. If we have eggs from our own chickens we can eat it with eggs sometimes, but with the awful things they do to chicken to produce eggs, we don’t want to eat so many of them. We should drink enough water so that our urine is not yellow and smelly. This will save us great amounts of money and we will not have to flush the toilet so much. - Brazil When parental authority is rebelled against, it opens the door to come against all constituted authority. Honoring those who are over you, those who are honorable (especially parents) releases a special hormone from your brain, permeating your body, that gives long life. If you don’t do this that hormone dries up and your bones dry up. The disobedient don’t live long. The life span of a homosexual is about 40 years. This is not because of AIDS. They die of a bad conscience. - Desire Meat markets are deplorable; rotted meats, corrupted hamburger, (embalmed meats), sick cows already dead but kept alive by pumping them full of medicines. - Concerning Food There is no use praying for colds if you are not sleeping with your window open. It is a breeding place for all kinds of viruses, etc. You deserve colds and everything else if you do not do this. This is how you revitalize yourself, because your body gives off poisons as you rest and you need new air coming in. That’s why people who live outside all the time seldom get colds. You do not have to get crazy and open it all the way up on the coldest night. But use common sense. But it is always something we are doing wrong - coughing in people’s faces or something. If you can help it suppress your cough. The more you suppress it, the better it is. 75% of the time you do not have to cough. And drink your water too. Native Vermonters exposed their children to the cold weather a little bit, with common sense. We have been raised like sissies, so we get colds and sneezes. If you do not try to resist these things, they just come upon you. You cannot just receive these things, but resist it. The brain controls the body. - Breaking of Bread 11/25/89 They all called out on the name of the Son, YAHSHUA, who is powerful to save. It says in (Mt. 1:21) that Yahshua would come to save His people from their sins, so we are protected by using His name (Jn. 17:12). There is no name more powerful, and it is given to us as our protection from any evil. - Willing 11/13/92 I Peter 2:11-12 speaks of a day before the printing press and mass media - U.P.I, A.P; T.V. networks and telephones and modern communications, but God is still not hindered by any means. A miscommunication within the church, a failure to pick up a person on time is exploited and blown out of all proportion by the false witness of the day, the press and the media. - 5th Commandment All the nations are ever going to see of God is us. - The Trinity 7/94 This love is Ahavah and Agape love (they are the same). The word Agape rarely occurs in the Greek manuscripts - because they don’t have God. They can’t comprehend or relate to it. Only the Hebrew brings it out as a “raging fire.” - What it Means to be Justified by Faith 6/19/94
I got into some trouble and was afraid to tell. I told one of the other youth and told her not to tell. She saved my life and told on me. - Youth Confessions 6/26/94 You’re to tell on your husband, tell on your brothers and sisters. That’s love. To not do this is hate and then you’re a murderer because you are robbing them of life. - Seeking First His Kingdom/Washings/The Narrow Road, 4/1/94 If you see brother or sister doing something that is not right and you spare them and don’t say anything even though you know they are lifting up their soul to idols then you become guilty. Ezek. 3:18-21 His blood is on your hands. We must blow the trumpet. - Diligence/ Expose the Deeds of Darkness There is no underground in the Edah. It can’t even be tolerated in your own family with your own (husband or wife). Somehow our children grew up in the underground. Love your brothers and sisters and tell on them. Then you won’t be deceived and they will live because they heeded your warning. - Diligence/Expose the Deeds of Darkness 3/30/94 If we’re not diligent, we’re not secure. We have people around who don’t love us enough to blow the whistle on us. - Diligence/Expose the Deeds of Darkness 3/30/94 We have to be cleansed from our dullness and never allow a brother to drift off. Don’t be afraid to tell on a brother. Am I my brother’s keeper? Or am I a murderer? - Diligence/Expose the Deeds of Darkness Tell on one another - get help for people - don’t pass by one another - be a good Samaritan. - Seeking First His Kingdom - No “Underground” 4/14/94
On that sunday long ago in Tennessee, had Elbert Eugene Spriggs only taken a deep breath and counted to ten, then phoned up his minister and asked if he could watch the Superbowl with him, maybe Spriggs would have learned the meaning of fellowship. Instead he got angry and made a decision, in anger, to start his own religion. So you see gentle readers, Twelve Tribes religious cult, friend to pedophiles and child beaters, was born out of anger, an angry emotional reaction and we can only conclude that any so called spiritual movement born out of anger, is a miscreant religion, and carries no spiritual or divine authority. Spriggs acted out of spite and fury because his minister decided to watch a football game instead of a sermon. That is how Twelve Tribes was born, out of the anger of a disgruntled man child with a very small mind and an axe to grind. Twelve Tribes is a false religion and as such is doomed to self destruction. In fact it is already decaying and rotting from the inside. Members are leaving in droves, especially the younger folk, who have had enough of the control freak elders and the child abuse requirements, in fact many of these young members were born into the cult and have had the sense and intelligence to know that the life of abuse they lived is not the norm by any means in any society.
Protect the Abuser The Twelve Tribes sect defends its own -- aiding accused child molesters )By Eric Alan Barton Thursday, Jun 3 2004 On a spring morning two years ago, Kimberly Peck saw something shocking in the hut where her daughters were sleeping. Peck, then a member of the Twelve Tribes religious cult, lived with her family in Quonset-style huts on a Central Florida compound. Her new husband, Jeff Leonard, went over to her daughters' tent every morning to wake the girls, and that, she says, was when she witnessed the abuse firsthand. As Peck watched in fear, 45-year-old Leonard began caressing one of the girls, kissing his stepdaughter intimately and rubbing his hands over places he shouldn't, she told authorities later. When he was finished, he moved over to her younger sister, Peck claims. Peck said she would've tried to stop it if she weren't so alone in the woods. Soon, Peck would learn how alone she was. Peck spoke to her children, and all three of them -- two daughters and a son -- said they had been molested by their stepfather. Peck went to the elders in Twelve Tribes. She wanted justice. Instead, the tribe elders -- who claim to be so strict about carnal relations that couples found holding hands are forced to marry -- covered up the abuse and protected Leonard from criminal charges. They hid him at another of the cult's properties in Georgia, Peck says, with the concurrence of prosecutors and police. Jeff Leonard, looking good in stripes Peck fled from Twelve Tribes in part so she could see Leonard prosecuted. He is now in the DeSoto County Jail facing charges of sexual battery and lewd and lascivious acts, which could send him to prison for decades. Leonard may also face charges in West Palm Beach, where Peck says he molested her son. The case is one of two strikingly similar criminal investigations in Florida against members of the reclusive Twelve Tribes cult. Another tribe member, David Drews, faces charges of fondling a girl at the cult's compound in West Palm Beach. The charges, if proved true, would seem to support claims by the group's many critics that Twelve Tribes often ignores child abuse and protects its members from criminal charges. Police and prosecutors in DeSoto County say the tribe's leaders ignored Peck's reports that her children had been assaulted and took efforts to hamper the criminal case. "Investigators have had difficulties with the Twelve Tribes," says Lon Arend, the assistant state attorney prosecuting Leonard. "They have taken steps to impede the investigation." The tribe's compound in Arcadia opened two years ago as the group began moving from its West Palm Beach location, which served as its Florida headquarters for the past five years. Only a couple of members still live in the West Palm compound off Southern Boulevard on Willis Road that consists of several modest brown buildings surrounded by a weed-filled yard. The group still plans to recruit members in South Florida, even after it closes the West Palm branch in the next few months. Twelve Tribes owns land in Fort Myers, Orlando, and Highlands Beach, where members have actively recruited, mainly among devout religious organizations. The Florida locations are among 22 facilities in the United States and 11 more across the globe, housing a total of about 3,000 members. The 30-year-old group is the brainchild of Elbert Eugene Spriggs, a former factory executive and scoutmaster from Tennessee who now goes by the name Yoneq. Spriggs conceived of the organization after serving a stint as a carnival worker, where he says he saw sin firsthand and sought a life that would avoid it. Yoneq's whereabouts are known only to church elders, though there have been reports that he lives a lavish lifestyle in the Mediterranean. The cult practices a mix of Christian and Jewish beliefs, celebrating both Sunday services and a Friday Sabbath with fireside dancing and a feast. Members must sign over all their possessions to join and are discouraged from independent thought that strays from Yoneq's biblical teachings. They claim to live simple and strictly devout lives, with little contact with the outside world, often in tents or trailers on remote farms or in communal homes. While members say they seek a life following the laws taught in the Bible, ex-members say leaders have corrupted that dream by tightening the rules, forcing women and young children into servitude and men into submission to elders. Former members say the group helps converts hide their children from spouses, shuffling members to other locations to avoid criminal charges, and ignoring reports of child abuse. But members have rarely, if ever, been convicted of child abuse, despite rampant claims by ex-members, says Bob Pardon, director of the New England Institute of Religious Studies. One of the institute's missions is to expose cults. "This is the classic thought reform environment," Pardon says from his office in Massachusetts. "Members have little freedom." Former members say the abuse occurs because Twelve Tribes adults are encouraged to discipline children they have seen committing sin, often using resin-covered whips to administer punishment. Current tribe members deny these claims, saying that they spank only disobedient children. The two Florida branches are run by four elders, including Steve Nelson, who spoke of the abuse cases last week while sitting under an oak tree at the Arcadia compound. The abuse allegations are a test from God, Nelson says. "The very reason our God had us come together is so that we can help each other," says the Vietnam veteran, a member for 22 years. "We will help these men get through this." Nelson, an intense, bearded man who speaks with obvious conviction, says that the tribe confronted Leonard and that he confessed to having thoughts of molesting the children. But Nelson says Leonard denied touching them, so the tribe decided against bringing him to authorities. Instead, it sent Leonard to live on a tribe-owned ship called the Avany inBrunswick, Georgia, where he worked in the group's boat repair business. Peck told investigators she tried to divorce Leonard about six months after she reported the abuse. Tribe members told her they had made the decision that she could not get a divorce and that she should join her husband in Georgia, according to court documents. Peck fled the tribe and now lives in North Florida. Like the Leonard case, the West Palm Beach charges stem from the claims of a 6-year-old girl who says she was abused by 25-year-old David Drews. The girl told investigators Drews began sexually assaulting her the day her family moved into the tribe's West Palm Beach compound in 2001 and continued until they left months later. Drews lived in the room next door and fondled the girl during games of hide-and-seek, she told investigators. Afraid to report the abuse to tribe elders, the girl instead told her story in February to a counselor with the Department of Children and Families. Eric Alan Barton A Palm Beach County Sheriff's Officedetective questioned Drews on May 13, and according to court documents, he confessed to molesting the girl. A judge agreed earlier this month to release Drews on house arrest, but he's still being held at the Palm Beach County Jail waiting for paperwork to be processed. Meanwhile, in an Arcadia courtroom last week, Leonard asked Circuit Court Judge James S. Parker to release him on bail before his trial. Like others in Twelve Tribes, Leonard wore his jet-black hair in a short ponytail, and his scraggly beard nearly touched his chest. He told the judge that tribe members would likely post his bail. "I have limited assets -- a van, tools," he said. "By our beliefs, we hold all things in common." The judge agreed to set a $250,000 bail for Leonard. Tribe elder Nelson says members haven't decided whether to post the bail, since they would likely have to put up some of the tribe's property as collateral. As Nelson spoke, several members worked in the blazing afternoon sun building what looked like a drainage ditch to the goat pen, and a woman in an Amish-style dress brought them water in a bucket. Nelson said the tribe will help members like Leonard face their sin. "He had come to the place where he had surrendered himself to God, Yeshua, so we will always help him," Nelson said. "It seemed he [Leonard] was being very up-front and honest about his situation." As for whether to post the bail, Nelson said the answer will come with prayer. "It is not like we hear voices out of heaven," he said. "We know God speaks to his followers and gives his wisdom to many counselors, so we will listen to him on this matter".
A letter from the Apostle Shaul to the Disciples in the Twelve Tribes Communities... 1Shaul, an apostle-sent not from men nor by a man, but by Yahshua Ha' Mashiach and God the Father, who raised him from the dead- and all the brothers and sisters with me, To the churches in the Twelve Tribes Communities: 3Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Messiah Yahshua, who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. No Other Gospel 6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Messiah and are turning to a different gospel- 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Messiah. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse! 10 Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Messiah. Shaul Called by God 11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Yahshua Ha' Mashiach. 13 For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it. 14 I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers. 15 But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me by his grace, was pleased 16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, my immediate response was not to consult any human being. 17 I did not go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went into Arabia. Later I returned to Damascus. 18 Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Cephas and stayed with him fifteen days. 19 I saw none of the other apostles-only James, the Lord’s brother. 20 I assure you before God that what I am writing you is no lie. 21 Then I went to Syria and Cilicia. 22 I was personally unknown to the churches of Judea that are in Christ. 23 They only heard the report: “The man who formerly persecuted us is now preaching the faith he once tried to destroy.” 24 And they praised God because of me. Paul Accepted by the Apostles 2Then after fourteen years, I went up again to Jerusalem, this time with Barnabas. I took Titus along also. I went in response to a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not running and had not been running my race in vain. Yet not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, even though he was a Greek. This matter arose because some false believers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Yahshua Ha' Mashiach and to make us slaves. We did not give in to them for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you. 6As for those who were held in high esteem-whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not show favoritism-they added nothing to my message. 7On the contrary, they recognized that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised,just as Peter had been to the circumcised. 8 For God, who was at work in Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, was also at work in me as an apostle to the Gentiles. 9James, Cephas and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised. 10 All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor, the very thing I had been eager to do all along. Paul Opposes Cephas 11 When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group (natural seed). 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray. 14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? 15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Yahshua Ha' Mashiach. So we, too, have put our faith in Yahshua Ha' Mashiach that we may be justified by faith in Messiah and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified. 17“But if, in seeking to be justified in Messiah, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Messiah promotes sin? Absolutely not! If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker. 19“For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Messiah and I no longer live, but Messiah lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Messiah died for nothing!” Faith or Works of the Law 3You foolish disciples of the Twelve Tribes! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Yahshua Ha' Mashiach was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? Have you experienced so much in vain-if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” 7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. (natural or spiritual) 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. 10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”(living by the LAW) 13 Messiah redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Yahshua Ha' Mashiach, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
Child Discipline “When there is a stubborn child you should shorten the child’s life?” Whether is a stubborn child you should shorten the child’s life. It limits the family. - Training up our children in the way they should go Yesterday I was down at the river and Yochanan (Haggai’s son) was swimming and I saw that he had stripes on his bottom. I thought that if there were other people there and they saw those marks, they would know that he has a father who loves his him. - Breaking of Bread 7/15/89 From the cradle to the grave you must discipline your children. From the age of 6 months you would start disciplining them with a rod on the palm of their hands and then you would stop when they are about one year old. From there you would discipline the children with a rod on their buttocks until they submit ….. Elbert Spriggs (Yoneq) Our children need to fear the rod. The severity of our discipline should cause them to never want to be disciplined again. Don’t be afraid of your “baby.” That he is going to be more than you can handle if you confront his bad attitudes or deal with his disobedience. For we have no other purpose than to deal with our children… So, take action and “beat the tar out of him.” - Letter from Abel 4/6/85 The method needs to be controlled, slow and hard. He should never want another wippen (sic) as long as he lives. Elders Meeting 2/11/78 Reproof gives wisdom to the child. Submission comes only through reverent submission (fear) of the Lord. Execute judgment and draw blood. - Elders Meeting 2/11/78 A six month old baby can be trained what no means. Lightly use the rod and your hand. When the baby is wiggling when their diaper is changed, spank them to stop wiggling. - Apostolic Workers Meeting 3/16/88 A man who beats his son frequently will reap the benefits. He will be proud of him among his acquaintances. - Letter from Abel 4/6/85 Bend his neck and bruise his ribs while he is young. Allow him no independence in childhood, or he will hurt you very deeply. Be strict with your son and persevere if not then you will nurture his insolence. - Letter from Abel 4/6/85
Omer now one should want to live with them warning if you have a nice life with a wife and kids DO NOT COME HERE
I posted a comment/question on this Twelve Tribes media video called When the spanking stopped all hell broke loose th-cam.com/video/idKaZlcwWtc/w-d-xo.html and they took it out. I was politely asking and since they can't censure this comment I will ask again, ANY MEMBER WANTS TO ANSWER THIS POLITE QUESTION PLEASE:?" yOU MENTION IN YOUR VIDEO When spanking stopped all hell broke loose that spanking kids was once just the norm. You are affirming this implying that the Twelve Tribes spank their kids the good old fashioned way, before society went very liberal and out of bounds of good morality. My question to you, member of the Twelve Tribes : In what time or epoch did parents spank their kids from 6 months old as Eugene Spriggs orders parents to do and has been reported to be in effect in all communities?
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That's so unfair, being far away from people of heart, love, and peace.. ;) I ll report this to God to make me meet all of you asap 12 Tribes, brothers & sisters.. :p Word speaks empty, heart speaks love.. Love one another..
:) I miss you all my friends. keep well. shannon
I am happy for you guys you got to spend some lovely times in Winnipeg, it's always good to meet people when travelling. Sorry to pop your bubble but as an ex-member of this group I have to point to the fact you are unwittingly providing free advertisement for what is a cult. Free lovely food, dancing, rejoicing, happy children's faces...they even let the guest play his instrument. They break their own rules, they'll work overtime, they'll overcome their rotten feelings and their tiredness...they'll do anything to make you feel at home and make you feel loved. To them it is a small price to pay in view of the goods in sight: a new member who will hand them out their money and possessions, all the years of their life until they either die or leave, produce much income, children for them brainwash once they've married you off to you lovely submissive wife they will provide for you. Oh boy...talking about conartists, these people have it down to fine art. The most pernicious of this is: most of them don't con you maliciously...they just think they love you and want to save your soul from eternal torment...
+naturalmystic you're a misguided coward.
Boo naturalmystic.
Natural mystic do not be fooled
CB for someone who knows nothing about Twelve Tribes you sure go out of your way to defend them against indefensible fact based accusations. So much that I am identifying you as a member of Twelve Tribes.
I said i dont know 'enough' about them,not 'nothing'.But you obviously think you "know it all".So is everyone else that comments in their favor TT members?seems like they have people outside of their group who are for them.Wake up alcrow. You call them a cult but i would say you are apart of a cult if you are spreading propaganda.To be honest with you i am not interested in your petty debates about them..So please stop messaging me.
for extensive info, videos, articles, ex-members testimonies and news on this cult check out question12tribes.com and twelvetribes-ex.com. Based in locations all over the US, in Canada, France, Spain, UK, Czech Rep., Argentina, Germany, Australia, Brazil they recruit through their cafes called Common Ground, Yellow Deli, Preserved Seed, Mate Factor, various enterprises they run, through WOOF, HelpX, Workaway, Couchsurfing, Intentional Communities Fellowship and through all the many festivals and markets they go to in search for more converts.