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Any time a video ends with a prayer, it makes my heart happy. Thank you for that!! I've left after over fifty years and am doing well, thanks to hearing that it's not me and I'm NOT crazy as my narc has said for many, many years. God bless you.

Praying for our GMC friends❤️

So happy to see this

Excellent! Beyer's answer on the Inerrancy of the Bible is the best so far out of all the Bishop nominees. It is good to see that this bishop nominee agrees with, and is in line with, the Wesleyan Arminian theological tradition. (Small note: historically speaking, infallibility IS Inerrancy. However, people began to hijack the meaning of infallibility and redefined it. Thus those who held to the traditional view had to come up with a new term. This the term Inerrancy was born)

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Two great Wesleyan scholars!

I don’t like this plan with all due respect.

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It is good that Hidde-Gregory stated that she is okay with the language of inerrancy. However, I got the sense that she herself does not believe in it; especially when you consider that earlier she said she believed in infallibility and Biblical Authority, but not in the fundamentalists sense. (Which is a little ironic sense the Methodists were in fact the fundamentalists of Great Britain during the 18th century, just as the Puritans were a century earlier! In other words, Methodism and Fundamentalism are not exclusive of one another) According to Immanuel Kant, all of reality can be divided into two: the way reality truly is in of itself, and our perception of reality. Kant taught that no one actually knows how or what reality truly is, what is true truth, the universe and how God truly is. Rather, all we know, all we can speak of, is our own perceptions: our perception of reality, our own personal perception of the universe, our own perceptions of God, whether at the individual level, or at the community level (i.e., how this particular society, culture perceives God, morality, truth, etc....). In other words, Relativism in the West was reborn.... Friedrich Schleiermacher, the worse heretic of the 19th century, was the foot in the door by which Kant's relativism entered into the Christian Church. All subsequent forms of Theological Liberalism and its Post-Liberal decedents make the same foundational errors, and error in the framework of the discussion. Thus, for Schleiermacher and the Liberals, the Bible represents how a particular ancient community in the Mediterranean world *perceived* God, (or their feelings of dependence in Schleiermacher's case). But in any case, the Bible was just a group of peoples, a group of ancient writers, perception of God. But no one really knows what or how God is like, what God truly is. Karl Barth, despite all of his attacks against Schleiermacher, nevertheless and with some irony, operated within the very same erroneous framework and foundation as Schleiermacher! Karl Barth's false dichotomy, that Jesus is the Word of God, and that the Bible is just *human testimony about God* that is, human perceptions about God, is at its core, a Post-Kantian phenomenon. Karl Barth was a Modernist through and through and tried to bring back Orthodoxy within a Liberal Modernist framework. He totally failed. This is why, despite his tremendous influence, no one identifies as a Neo-Orthodox, and Neo-Orthodoxy was just a fad that gave way to Post-Liberal Theology. You can not build Orthodoxy upon a foundation of sand. My point in my long rambling is this: in the interview Hidde-Gregory stated that her purpose since ordination is to get the people called Methodists to reclaim what is to be Methodists and not be secular Methodists. This is a good thing, and I agree. However, I would press her to follow her own logic and reclaim the Methodist viewpoint on Biblical Authority prior to Immanuel Kant and Theological Liberalism. The traditional and Orthodox Methodists viewpoint on Biblical Authority was in fact *Inerrancy*

Good answers brother.

Good point about bishops becoming a distraction. He's right about shifting the focus to how conferences are going to interact with the laity in the local churches, because that is where the most important work of the church is done.

He sounds fun and caring.

“Legislations don’t lead to fruitfulness,” that hit home run for me.

thank you for this. interesting idea. we've been talking about a third option that would be helpful for our NonUs context. this very well might be pointing to such a direction. grateful for both of you

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The 25 Articles and EUB Confession do NOT say the same thing. The 25 Articles are an abridgement of the 39 Articles from the Protestant Reformation. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that the Bible alone is insufficient and that the Magisterium is needed; that tradition is equal in authority with the Bible. Our 25 Articles rejects this. Again, our 25 Articles does NOT limit the inspiration and authority of the Bible to matters pertaining to salvation only, *rather, it merely states that everything pertaining to salvation can be found therein* It is the EUB Confession that weakened our views on Biblical Authority. The EUB Confession was created in the 1960s by leftists EUB leaders who were more interested in merging with the Methodists (and hence the liberalization of their confession) then in preserving Orthodoxy or properly representing their more conservative lay people. Again, the EUB Confession's stance on Biblical Inspiration and Authority represents the Soft Liberalism (aka the Neo-Orthodoxy of Karl Barth) that was the popular fad in those days among theologians. The Original United Brethren Confession, which the EUB inherited and kept when it was created in the 1940s, and which was the main Confession of Faith for the EUB for most of its existence, did NOT make this error of Soft Liberalism. Also, I would point out that even though the term "Inerrancy" is new, the substance of it is not. Methodists have always affirmed inerrancy since the beginning. The substance of James Arminius' views on Biblical Authority is essentially inerrancy as well! Thus to say that the Bible "contains" the Word of God, or that it is only inspired and authoritative on matters pertaining to salvation, is neither Arminian, nor Wesleyan, but Socinian.

I have known Dr. John Beyers since 1986. We met in Seminary and I have watched him lead in all the years since. He is a truly gifted Wesleyan Evangelical Orthodox Christian. His knowledge of John Wesley is amazing, second only to his love of The Methodist Movement. He will make a great Episcopal leader!

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With Flordia Plan, We would end up with what we just left!

A weakness in the Florida Plan is that it might lead to Regionalization. However, what both the Florida Plan and the TLC Plan both get wrong is this: Doctrinal unity is not established by our church government, rather doctrinal unity is brought about by a shared Confession of Faith and Catechism. We Methodists lack a clearly defined faith spelled out in a Confession. Where is the Wesleyan-Arminian equivalent to the Calvinistic Westminster Confession of Faith or the Lutheran Augsburg Confession? It is no where to be found. We do have our 25 Articles but they lack our distinctives. Then our 52 Standard Sermons and NT Notes are too long to be effective. Most laypeople (and even clergy!?) will never read them. Then on top of that, our current GM Catechism is corrupted with Pelagianism and Socinianism. BUT if we had a Confession of Faith (and corrected Catechism) that clearly defined our beliefs, any lay person can read it and see if their pastor's sermon contradicts it. It will also be and excellent and succent way to teach lay people also. A Confession of Faith and Catechism gives laypeople "veto power". They themselves can see if something is out of line or not. Furthermore, a clear Confession and Catechism would give Annual Conferences, Bishops, and the General Conference a clear basis to judge if something is doctrinally out of line as well! Thus true unity is having a shared faith expressed succinctly in a Confession and Catechism. If we do this, then the argument against the Florida Plan (i.e., that it will lead to regionalization) is completely demolished and removed. (Further Note: As per our Restrictive Rule and the historic precedents set by the EUB, we can adopt a replacement confession to the EUB Confession, and adopt it along side our 25 Articles, 52 Standard Sermons and NT Notes. Thus preserving our trio of doctrinal standards given to us by John Wesley himself AND finally having a Wesleyan-Arminian Confession that can rival the Westminster and Augsburg Confessions AND honor our EUB heritage and merger by utilizing its very own historic precedents. Do this, and the argument made against the Florida Plan, the argument of regionalization, ceases to be an issue).

nevermind - got it. it's the one with Lowry.

Did he mention a book that he and Mark Webb authored?

LOVE this conversation. Orthodoxy is unifying, heresy is divisive.

We have to get David some neon lights.

There are some important questions that have not been resolved yet with the TLC's plan and its emphasis on the Bishops taking on a more spiritual and teaching/shepherding role. There are two things: 1.) The role of the Council of Bishops with the General Conference and 2.) the role of the Council of Bishops with Seminary Professors. 1. The General Conference and Bishops It has always been the power of General Conference to determine and set doctrine. But with this emphasis of the Bishops teaching and setting(?) doctrine, this then shifts the power of determining doctrine away from the General Conference and onto the Council of Bishops. If one responds that they merely interpret the meaning of our doctrinal standards, or that they are the ones that determine if someone is out of line with those standards then that de facto places them in supreme power to determine the doctrine of the Global Methodist Church, thereby taking the power away from the General Conference. This also narrowly places the power of determining doctrine in the hands of a very small handful of people -especially in the TLC plan. 2. Academic Theologians and Bishops Under the TLC plan, Bishops are to be the Spiritual and Doctrinal leaders of the Global Methodist Church. But will they actually be? Even now, with some of the current candidates for Bishop, some often defer tough academic questions to a trusted theology professor (often a personal friend). Many, if not most of the Bishops, are not academic theologians and often turn to theology professors for the answer. Who then is leading the church? The Bishop or the Theologian? Will the Bishops be the doctrinal leaders of the church, or will they really be leading from behind?

I have no idea what Townsend's views are on Inerrancy. He seemed to deny it then implied he misspoke. However when Miller pressed him in it Townsend didn't actually say if he believed in Inerrancy or not! This ambiguity on Biblical Authority is itself a problem and NOT what we need moving forward

Dr. Watson has identified some keys to a flourishing GMC: Excellent spiritual leadership and catechesis. Too many nominal Methodists are not well educated on what it means to be a Methodist. There is a strong need for orthodox, traditional Christian education for laity, seminarians, and unfortunately, possibly some clergy. Historically, it seems that movements that were strong spiritually and theologically grew rapidly.

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I would love to see an interview of Dr. Clarke with Emerson Eggrich. The later's book is fuel to a narc man in a "christian" marriage.

Excellent he supports Inerrancy and said nothing that would contradict our 25 Articles. Furthermore i liked his conservative disposition; that is, he is right in saying we should not change our Discipline every time the wind changes direction! That being said, I would press every one to rethink our current bad proposals to change or alter our 25 Articles. That would be the very opposite of a conservative disposition. It would constitute a Jacobin Revolution. John Wesley gave us a trio of doctrinal standards: the 25 Articles, 52 Standard Sermons and the New Testament Notes. We should keep them. We should NOT obliterate our past and try to redefine ourselves anew (like the jacobins of the French revolution did)

Excellent, he supports the language of the Chicago Statement. He likewise said nothing that would contradict the 25 Articles. Note: I would add this, yes it is true that we should offer an alternative to Calvinism. This alternative is called "Arminianism." We Methodist were, prior to the infiltration of Theological Liberalism, at the forefront of promoting Arminianism.

As a Pastor Levingston's congregation member at Jones Memorial, I hear a consistent and applicable Word of God. This consistent and anointed Word of God has absolutely helped me gain a closer relationship with our God. I love God, and I enjoy living my life in a very practical way as prescribed by our Lord and Savior. Pastor Levingston is a gift from God for the people of God!

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Such an important point about the culture of distrust in leadership. Laity is paying more attention to denominational governance, and it seems that the extent to which leaders are willing to engage with all members in the free exchange of ideas is being established right now. We're coming out of a culture without openness. Consensus was determined behind closed doors, and if you wanted to be an insider, you didn't speak freely; you showed loyalty to fellow insiders by carrying out a unified message. This was alienating, terrible for connectionalism. We are all stakeholders in a community that is seeking to establish something good. I pray that leaders will not treat others trying to engage as "harming unity," rather engage them in public discourse so that we may all feel that we had an opportunity to shape the outcome.

This nominee's answer on Biblical Authority is weak, Socinian, and corrupted by Neo-Orthodoxy (a.k.a. Soft Liberalism). Also, does Barnett hold to an Orthodox understanding of the Trinity? Or Sabellianism? If a bishop is to be the spiritual leader of the denomination, it is important that they understand and subscribe to our Wesleyan-Arminian theological tradition....

So glad we got this interview! her affirmation of inerrancy (even with the caveat )put away many reservations I had about her! We need more interviews to get to know these people I had no idea before!

He might not want to Politic but without this interview I would have known nothing of him since I live in TN. I’m wish our “Bishops “ would get out in the public support more! I need this guy talking about issues representing us.

If this guy is not elected I don’t know what we are doing. He is perfect for someone guarding our spiritual l life! In all I’m on Bishop Levingston

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Had the great pleasure of hearing Pastor Kenneth Levingston at our church's revival last spring. He has a heart for God and preaches the Gospel. Pastor Kenneth you are welcome at PVMC any day.

Excellent. He is okay with Inerrancy which is very important for the Global Methodist Church moving forward. Levingston likewise said nothing that would contradict our 25 Articles and appears to be in alignment with our Wesleyan-Arminian theological tradition.

Excellent. By supporting Inerrancy, she is in agreement with our own Wesleyan-Arminian theological tradition (prior to its corruption by Liberalism). Moore said nothing in this interview that would contradict our 25 Articles of Religion. She appears to be a Methodist bishop nominee that is in agreement with Methodist theology.

She was excellent at Bible Conference

I hope in your interviews with the bishop nominees you press them on doctrinal issues.... Where do they stand on Inerrancy? Penal Substitution? Prevenient Grace and Total Depravity? Lord's Supper? Infant Baptism? Do they agree and support the 25 Articles of Religion of the Methodist Church? Etc....

I’m so inspired by the life of Pastor Roberto. I’ve shared his testimony w my mom to encourage her to never stop praying for all her children 🙏💙🦋

I don't see Christians being the people of lament in any of these comments. I see people taking sides and pointing fingers. If Christians don't stand between the combatants and be the people of peace then they are failing in their Kingdom duty. The christian church in the bloodbath that could have been South Africa 30 years ago, separated thd combatants. And peace was found. The love of God for all is not a negotiable position. Hence we lament. We do not justify wrongdoing of any kind.

What a blessing N. T. Wright is. Thank you for this podcast.