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2:40 the lack of empathy in this statement!!!! False allegations CAN push someone to the very edge. Specially if that person is a public figure. Not to mention the doxxing and harassments lucas and his family got. Chinese antis literally reported his brother telling that he participated in HK protest. These kind of acts might cause sevior damage to his whole family. So it is not surprising if he felt like giving up. Just shut the hell up if you don't know about something or do your research.

not surprised at all, to this day seungri still has supporters even though he was found guilty of the shit he did and even went to jail, only men have that privilege in this industry, that's why the Kpop community is and always will be shit

It's soo easy for kpop fans to judge idols when they don't even know the truth. Wait till you go through it yourself. Just bitter people trying to put idols down just to feel better about their own failed lives. Give idols a break they are humans too.

FLOP

wannabe ajanugu LMAO 😂

I can’t listen to you anymore. You’re a weirdo!!! Your comments are just dumb 🤦🏻‍♀️

i can hear the saliva spitting out of ur mouth as u speak

Conviction? Get real!

No comment on Lucas. I honestly just wonder what the other members think of the whole thing. Especially Taeyong since he's the leader.

You need to see a therapist. The suicide admissions actually do the opposite. I don't even know why you are talking about this lol

People are too suspicious and against him for allegations that are years old and still no proof. I thought we’d let proof come out first before we ruin people’s lives. Lucas’ experience is valid and its honestly amazing he still wants to return to this toxic industry. People believe the most ridiculous lies online and dont look further into it before they start to tear apart people’s lives.

I can almost heard the saliva of your mouth when you speak

PEOPLE LIKE YOU SHOULD BE BANNED FROM TH-cam...! AND HOW DARE YOU SAY HE'S A WEIRD ASS MAN (at 5:06)!?!

she should not be fined for being straight.

Boring, outdated, cheap, like 80% of k-pop right now.

As a casual listener of her it does feel kinda average but i think it is still good for what it is. The chorus is a bit weird at first listen but not particularly in the bad way. For me it's like pink venom, i disliked it at first but now i love it the more i listen to it. Plus the whole song isn't that bad that she should just dissappear because of it. Update a day later: i love it

Why do you hate Lucas so much? Seriously, how many American hip hop artists have beaten and put their girlfriends in the hospital (like Chris Brown) and still have a music career? What Lucas did wasn't right, but he was young and he can learn from his mistakes. When I was 21 I wasn't always honest with the guys I was dating, but I am older now and I know how to be a better person. You're acting like Lucas is a 34 year old man who beat Rhianna unconscious and put her in the hospital. Get over yourself.

I won't stan him

What on earth make people want to took their own life by their own hand due to fault allegations?!!!!!!!!!!! Your words are so insensitive. You assume people willl never be sad because of that?? Crazyyyyy Don't tell me you have never heard of people who were accused actually kill themselves Me one of the people you mentioned. I have suicidal thoughts because of faults allegations. I'm not saying Lc is clean but your opinion about this is weird.

what....

it honestly sounds like u recorded this on a weekend being bored not knowing what to post so u just wrote some illogical weird dumb script, one time u say lucas is a weird ass ni*** and then u don't explain why u just say there's no doubt about it AND THE WHOLE VIDEO u'r just stating affirmations , there's absolutely no arguments or reasoning in what u're saying and u sound just really confused.. and like did u really just ask what could push someone to end his own life due to false allegations, clearly u have no idea how mental health works and guilt could come from different reasons, he might have said that he disappointed his members becoz he couldn't get back on his feet after what has happened and couldn't get it together and be strong enough to fight this off while promoting with the group hence him leaving the group..there are a lot of clues in these documentaries ,some pointing to him being innocent and some proving the allegations so it could go both ways and nothing was clearly stated so why are u directly accusing him as if u were there and u didn't even explain ur point of view , u're just whining the whole video..what's so hard about taking a neutral standpoint until the truth comes out like why u gotta swear at someone and abuse them on the internet when u don't even know them...

Kpop fans will defend anything their idols do so I’m not suprised the sm redemption arc is working

Do you know bisexual ppl exists?? You just can't affirm she's straight because she he has never admitted it, just say "she isn't a lesbian" that's the only thing we know.

4:02

and the way you wrote you made this video following the 'conviction of abuse' and you give yourself the right to call someone mentally challenged?? can't decide if you're shamelessly lying in 4k or just plain dumb

what crimes are you talking about and mentioning jessica is so dumb because it happened 10 years ago and it was a mutual decision between the company and 8 other people to get rid of her. they spent years with her and obviously had reasons to demand something like that. now she's writing some petty books and talking about snsd because otherwise nobody gaf about whatever she's doing and her fans are no better. it's usually taeyeon getting villainised and dragged by you losers but just recently you all discovered how you could use this lucas hate train to your advantage and won't shut up

you're so full of shit. the purpose of this doc wasn't to protect lucas because if that was the case they wouldn't have let people drag him to hell and back for more than two years and call him a fucking rapist on the internet even though it was never even a part of the accusations. they brought him out to say how thankful he was to the staff and chris lee came out as this saviour because THEY received a lot of critisism on how they handled this situation. bringing up jessica and every other idol under the sun to victimise them and redirect the harted towards lucas as if he hasn't had enough. worst case scenario he was some kind of fuckboy and so what? does he deserve to lose his career and get sent dth threats and racists insults every day because of it? 70 percent of international kpop stans are fans of some kind of western celebrities that are known for sleeping around and having groupies but the reactions aren't the same. talk about double standards

What? This video is insanely chronically online. This discourse really only exists in twitter, within a tiny subset of queer Aespa stans. 99.999% of Karina’s fanbase had no idea about this, neither did they think she was lesbian. It was a few chinese fans who sent the protest trucks, and they never mentioned anything gay. Those delulu stans are against her dating in general. Her chinese fandom are hugely influential because they bulk buy albums and pcs. She wouldn’t apologise for pissing off a few thousand delusional american lesbians. SM probably made her apologise because her chinese fanbases were already starting to boycott because of the dating news, and their stocks dropped significantly. But yes those people who were disappointed she is dating a man are very delusional. It’s because the kpop industry is so anti-dating people can project whatever they want onto the idols. She gave no indication that she’s a lesbian but because idols don’t talk about love, outside the love for their fans and their members, people make this stuff up in their minds. Then get mad their own baseless assumptions were false.

certain kpop fans don't actually love the kpop idols they claim to love. they just love having a perfect little marionette they can control and morph into whatever they want them to be in their head. there's been so many campaigns forcing idols to apologize for this and that but it's time for the fans to start apologizing.

Since when being straight is not fine 💀

Its just delusional k pop stans on twitter the main outrage was because she was dating that’s what korean/Chinese netizens were outraged about

Girl

Your voice and idiotic reasoning is pushing me to take my own life. The only mentally challenged weirdo around here is you. Jessica left SNSD ten years ago. It is time for you to move on.

as someone who has been following aespa & has been karina biased for the most part, this whole ordeal has been so embarrassing to witness. even from debut she had said she didnt really like performing fanservice & would often become physically embarrassed when she had to. as we came from confine & aespa had to interact with, more & more fanservice wad pushed on them. karina was alwayd caring & touchy with her members, to the point they themselves called her motherly, but it slowly started to become more... sexual?? flirtatious might be the better word. i can only imagine. rumors of her being only interested in girls in school started popping up too. it always left me little confused because it was well-known she was very popular for being very kind & standing up for others. of course she would have a lot of friends. she just always cane off to me as someone who really cherishes & values female relationships in her life, always mentioning her mom & her sister when asked about her personal life. what's made it worse for me, is that all this outrage has come from her dating. just dating in general. not even being in love or anything because they barely just met in january this year. both female & male fans are so upset because she dared see someone & got caught. chinese fans are sending trucks to the sm building telling her if she doesn't break they will stop buying aespa albums. this isn't even the first time she has been caught in dating scandals, even as she was about to debut, people were making rumors of her just getting into sm to date half of nct. ever make idol winter, ningning or giselle have been linked to, karina was linked to since debut. if sm hadn't said anything this time around, this would've been another dating rumor on karina's list. again, they're so mad at her for dating openly. they're mad at that but not at her posing & posting her starbucks cup during a strike. even giselle apologized for her mcdonald's posts & went back & deleted them. but karina's fans have even made excuses for her for posting starbucks & chosen in their humble hearts to forgiven her (even tho it's not their place to) yet they can't take her dating someone else who isn't them, specifically. that too much, she should know better than to have a personal romantic life by now, i guess.

fans did NOT come for her with protest trucks because she wasn’t a lesbian. she did not write that apology because she wasn’t a lesbian. she wrote because “fans” were pissed she was dating in general. you cannot say that karina is straight just like you can’t say that she is gay. it’s not our place too. sexuality is spectrum and where ever karina falls on it is something that’s is insanely personal and something only she should share. you are just as toxic for pushing the straightness on her as other fans are for pushing queerness, because frankly it is none of our fucking business and anyone who thinks it is needs to get psychological help.

Imagine being triggered that someone isn’t a lesbian. Some of y’all need to seek therapy.

At this point I have to assume this guy knows where the bodies are buried or something, like he has compromising photos of the executives locked away in a safe somewhere and is threatening to release them if management doesn't cover for him. Why else invest this much time and effort when there's so much pushback from fans? They're letting Taemin walk away over what based on what he's said publicly would have been easy issues to resolve, and going to bat for this guy? After also letting Baekhyun walk, who's worth way more money? It's baffling.

The erasure of bisexuals is insane, we don’t know what her sexuality is therefore we shouldn’t assume and we shouldn’t care who she’s dating cause that’s none of our business

bahiyyih can sing lmfao like the only time she didnt get proper lines was in wadada and we fresh (only TWO songs out of their whole discography) and has decent singing in lines in every other song AND has recorded 3 covers but u do u ig!

huh?

Sis, you hit it right on the head because what was that documentary....Defending someone because you are a fan is insanity. I feel like it was sort of gaslighting... like yeah I did it but...I also wanted to s word myself because I felt bad... like okay...Go ahead heal but trying to do a pity PR move is wild.

I love that Red Velvet is nowhere to be seen :D Edit ok just listened to the intro and backing out slowly now.

People will never know unless they walk in his shoes.

you gotta be kidding me lol wasted 2 minutes of my life here ☠ people like you lead them to suicide. false or right. the police there deals harshly wit celebs so if there would have been something going its their job to investigate and they did it. So who are we to judge him more?

2:33 Lee Sunkyun ended his life because of false allegations. The girl who accused him also lies about having a child with 3 different man for a child support.

I hope someone do a black magic to the Fly To The Moon. She deserves it! She hate Lucas because he exposed her on bubble. Now she can stalk Yangyang freely without Lucas exposing her on bubble. Recently, she got interested in NCT Wish. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Lucas leaving NCT must be a good thing for non Lumis, but don’t be too happy because your idol might be the next one. If she can do that to Lucas, 100% sure that she can do the same to others.

no comments on the situation as I don't know the facts just want to clear up one assumption: false allegations can and have pushed people to end their own lives, unfortunately I've witnessed it play out that way in real life, so we shouldn't make light of what he went through... allegations like that can ruin a life regardless of guilt

Lucas is always a funny topic. He as admitted to "doing it", but we don't know exactly he did, which, quite honestly, just proves he fucked up, but we don't know to what extent. On the other hand, we have the crazy stans who think their poor baby is innocent and paying for crimes he didn't commit, using some nonsensical twitter threads for proof (that prove nothing). in the end, he was probably just a shitty boyfriend to a bunch of girls. Not enough to cancel him for life, but definitely enough to kick him out of NCT.

Odio a Fly to the moon por que por ella paso todo esto 💀

bro if this was true, you and I and the rest of the K-pop community know that there would have been legitimate charges and/or arrests. however, there have been NONE and private investigators were hired to prove his innocence. on top of all of that, he would've been BLACKLISTED from K-pop as a whole and would've never come back to SM. I am all for defending women who have gone through abuse but women that try to tear down the image of a person who didn't do anything like the allegations claim to be, that is really pushing feminism to a dangerous place and it is not what we stand for. I was all for the girls but when the truth came out, I realized how truly crazy and psychotic the K-pop community can get. he was the nct member that rose to fame almost instantly and some solo stans did not like the attention he was getting and came up with the biggest lie that derailed his career and put a mark on his honor for life. this is the truth, and whoever still believes the lies is nothing short of a pseudo-feminist. you all are fake.