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The London Lyceum is the premier center for analytic, baptist, and confessional theology. It seeks to foster serious thinking for a serious church by creating an intellectual culture of charity, curiosity, critical thinking, and cheerful confessionalism.
Who Should a Christian Collaborate With? - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 64
Jordan explores the concept of theological triage, particularly in the context of collaboration among Christians with differing theological views. He discusses the importance of understanding the levels of theological agreement and how they impact the ability to work together on various projects, especially in academic settings. The conversation delves into specific examples, such as collaborating with pro-choice academics and the implications of ecclesial versus non-ecclesial matters.
Resources:
1) Nine Tips for Disagreeing Well About Theology - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 54
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Resources:
1) Nine Tips for Disagreeing Well About Theology - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 54
: th-cam.com/video/flw4cn2KPdY/w-d-xo.html
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Is it Wrong to Call God a Mother? - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 63
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Jordan discusses the theological implications of referring to God as Father or Mother, addressing a recent controversy. He discusses the importance of understanding God’s nature, the role of metaphors in theology, and the need for respectful discourse in theological debates. Resources: 1) The Trinity, Gilles Emery: amzn.to/404uaYp 2) The Trinity, Thomas Joseph White: amzn.to/3Blp0O6 Scripture I...
ETS, Eats, and Encouragements - Generally Particular Ep. 36
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ETS, Eats, and Encouragements - Generally Particular Ep. 36
Where Theologians Fear to Tread: Retrieval and Social Pressures - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 62
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Jordan discusses the nature of retrieval, why it matters, and some recent criticisms of it. Resources: 1) Theological Retrieval for Evangelicals: Why We Need Our Past to Have a Future, Gavin Ortlund: amzn.to/4g1W6lf
Will the Church Make the Seminary Obsolete? - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 61
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Jordan discusses the location of theological education and whether external institutions are necessary for theological education to continue. Resources: “Advocates of an Educated Ministry”: James P. Boyce’s Recasting of Reformed Orthodoxy into a Southern Baptist Mold, Jake Stone: thelondonlyceum.com/advocates-of-an-educated-ministry-james-p-boyces-recasting-of-reformed-orthodoxy-into-a-southern...
Baptist Distinctives: Are Baptists Reformed, Catholic, and Orthodox? - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 60
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Jordan discusses Baptist distinctives and whether Baptists can be Reformed, catholic, or orthodox. Resources: 1) Recovering the Reformed Confession: Our Theology, Piety, and Practice, R. Scott Clark: amzn.to/3CkrFYe
Advice to Christian Philosophers - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 59
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In this episode of Kiffin's Keep, Jordan shares advice for aspiring Christian philosophers, drawing from the new book "Advice to Christian Philosophers: Reflections on the Past and Future of Christian Philosophy." Resources: 1) "Advice to Christian Philosophers: Reflections on the Past and Future of Christian Philosophy", edited by Christopher Woznicki: thelondonlyceum.com/product/advice-to-chr...
Baptists and the Reformation - Generally Particular Ep. 35
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Jake and Jesse discuss the relationship between Baptists and the Reformation. They argue that Baptists see themselves as heirs of the Reformation, sharing core beliefs like justification by faith alone but also recognizing that they aimed to extend these principles, especially in ecclesiology.
26 of The best Philosophy Resources - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 58
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In this episode, Jordan discusses essential resources for understanding philosophy, covering topics such as metaphysics, epistemology, moral theory, philosophy of mind, and logic. He also explores the necessity of formal education in philosophy. Resources: Philosophy: Philosophy, Jamie Dew and Paul Gould: amzn.to/4eEZxgP Metaphysics: Metaphysics: The Fundamentals, Tim Pickavance and Rob Koons: ...
Celebrating Mark Dever and 30 years at CHBC - Generally Particular Ep. 34
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Jake and Jesse discuss the ministry of Mark Dever.
Yes. Lying is Always a Sin - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 57
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In this episode Jordan delves into the topic of lying, exploring its moral implications from a Christian perspective. He discusses the nature of lying, biblical teachings, historical theological views, and the importance of truth in contemporary society. He argues for a resolute commitment to honesty, emphasizing that lying is universally condemned as a sin and that Christians must uphold the t...
Reflecting on Judson - Generally Particular Ep. 33
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Jake and Jesse reflect on Adonirum Judson.
Research, Writing, and Time Management Tips For Academics (And Normal People) - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 56
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Jordan gives a range of advice for new PhD and Masters students thinking about how to best use their time and steward their studies. He also gives tips and advice for regular researchers and writers as well.
Baptist Buffet - Generally Particular Ep. 32
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Jake and Jesse discuss a range of Baptist topics and food.
Live Q&A The Future of The London Lyceum - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 55
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Live Q&A The Future of The London Lyceum - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 55
Nine Tips for Disagreeing Well About Theology - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 54
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Nine Tips for Disagreeing Well About Theology - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 54
Can We Ignore 1 Timothy 2:12 Outside the Church? - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 53
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Can We Ignore 1 Timothy 2:12 Outside the Church? - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 53
Jawin' with Jordan Steffaniak - Generally Particular Ep. 31
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Jawin' with Jordan Steffaniak - Generally Particular Ep. 31
How Can We Speak of God?: Aquinas and Scotus on Univocity and Analogy - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 52
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How Can We Speak of God?: Aquinas and Scotus on Univocity and Analogy - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 52
Baptist Books - Generally Particular Ep. 30
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Baptist Books - Generally Particular Ep. 30
Creedal Baptists: Why Creeds Do Not Usurp the Bible Or Baptist Polity - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 51
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Creedal Baptists: Why Creeds Do Not Usurp the Bible Or Baptist Polity - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 51
Baptist Bios: Benjamin Stinton - Generally Particular Ep. 29
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Baptist Bios: Benjamin Stinton - Generally Particular Ep. 29
Defending Accommodation: Why Its Not Equivocation, Deceit, or "Just Baby Talk”- Kiffin's Keep Ep. 50
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Defending Accommodation: Why Its Not Equivocation, Deceit, or "Just Baby Talk”- Kiffin's Keep Ep. 50
Jawin' with Dr. Tom Nettles - Generally Particular Ep. 28
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Jawin' with Dr. Tom Nettles - Generally Particular Ep. 28
Can Zombies Know Theology?: Unpacking the Sufficiency of Scripture (Again) - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 49
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Can Zombies Know Theology?: Unpacking the Sufficiency of Scripture (Again) - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 49
What Is a Real Relation? (Or, Is God Really Related to Creation?) - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 48
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What Is a Real Relation? (Or, Is God Really Related to Creation?) - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 48
Baptist Bios: Andrew Fuller - Generally Particular Ep. 27
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Baptist Bios: Andrew Fuller - Generally Particular Ep. 27
Are You a Good or Bad Confessionalist? - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 47
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Are You a Good or Bad Confessionalist? - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 47
Baptist Bios: Hanserd Knollys - Generally Particular Ep. 26
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Baptist Bios: Hanserd Knollys - Generally Particular Ep. 26
What Does Christian Courage Require? - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 46
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What Does Christian Courage Require? - Kiffin's Keep Ep. 46
“I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins.” - Sincerely the Nicene Creed. If someone denies the validity of infant baptism, then they cannot truly accept this sentence. To acknowledge the validity of infant baptism in any fashion means that one is no longer simply a Baptist but rather resembles a Classical Protestant who prefers to wait until a profession of faith before baptizing. Therefore, there is no need for division; the denominational walls should be broken down. In the Anglican, communion, one has a choice on whether to wait upon a profession of faith to baptize their children or to baptize them as infants, this is a duel practice method and is more historically accurate, however, once the position is truly understood, most people choose to let their children partake of the visible church. Baptism puts us on the Ark, 1 Peter 3:21 Noah was the only on on that ship who was said to have "received grace" however his family was still delivered through the flood. Thus, just like the art was a vessel of salvation, so is the church and therefore we bring our children with us for "such as these the Kingdom of heaven." Blessings 🙏
Honored by the answer, Jordan. I think I agree with your principle, even if I may differ on its application. I’m wrestling specifically with the extent to which Christians can cooperate intellectually with people who hold views that are morally abhorrent. There has to be some kind of balance between a retreatist who refuses to buy groceries from the non-Christian grocer and the person who feels no need to distinguish themselves from the world. I’m not specifically concerned about the pro choice example, it just functions as a helpful catalyst for these discussions. Especially in academic contexts where the libs (for lack of a better phrase) are running the show, it seems like a Christian academic has to decide between either only writing for/participating in Christian academic circles or thinking about where/how they can partner with and engage with non-Christian academics. Still not sure how I would approach every sort of scenario. But I’m also not writing any books so I’m glad I don’t have any practical pressure to think about these things! Appreciate your thoughts.
The morally abhorant qualifier is an apt and interesting addition. Should we cooperate with a Nazi? Well, that seems obvious! So why think abortion is different? Good question. Maybe we shouldn't, even on matters where we agree. Theology isnt purely politics so we shouldnt simply work on a pragmatic framework. But I also think you note an important aspect that depending on geography and social location, one may have little choice but to either partner in some senses or become a munk! That to say, I dont know if I can offer a complete and timeless principle besides it being case by case. ~ Jordan
It looks like I'll be done ABD the beginning of 2028 (60 crh) and then on to the dissertation. Of course, I'll be doing some research and writing along the way. I am grateful for your channel.
You and The London Lyceum are a tremendous blessing!
Given your triage pyramid, I wonder where you would place the gospel of justification by faith alone. In other words, in what ways can we collaborate with Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians? It's one thing to talk about scholarship on Trinitarianism, but what about in evangelistic ministry or other forms of ministry collaboration?
Hey John, thanks for watching and asking the best questions, as always! I think evangelistic ministries are best and most often parts of church ministries, so the collaboration between Rome and Geneva (or wherever, you get the idea) is unlikely. Could they collaborate to defend the Trinity against Muslims? I think so. That stated aim makes sense. No one needs to give up any beliefs to do that. But can they do a campus ministry to convert pagans? Probably not ideal. I do think its context dependent. ~ Jordan
Excellent and. Rey helpful! Thank you!
Yet another “our club is better” opinion. Where is the humility? They are different doctorates aimed at different outcomes. Just as MD is practicing medicines vs PhD in the lab. The sheer fact that you repeatedly said “you don’t have the right to be called ‘doctor’ so many times, reveals the arrogance of your heart. You deserve to be called “doctor” because of your degree - your other brothers are not worthy because they are not in your club. I sincerely hope you are not a pastor teaching that all are of equal value in Christ. As a fellow brother in Christ, I offer this advice. You should take this down. You should learn some humility, and you should honor your other brothers in Christ instead of looking down on them.
Jesse is awesome to bad we have to listen to a Calvinist lol just kidding Jake.
Is there video where you expound on the Covenant of Grace?
I dont have one, but our covenant theology roundtable is close as my view is very similar to Michael Beck. ~ Jordan
awesome advice, thanks brother!
Baptist Pastor from deep south texas. Always love the banter and appreciate your great conversations. Blessings! Marco A Garza Jr
Old Testament believers DID NOT go to heaven, Sam's position on the limbus patrum may not be the the position of traditional covenant theologians, but it is absolutely correct, and the view of historic christianity.
I find this helpful. I anticipate joining Princeton Seminary for Fall 2025
I know Jake’s view on Bunyan but am curious as to Jesse’s view. Jesse do you consider Bunyan a Baptist?
How can some preacher becoming more successful than people that have PHD/DMin in general...? On the other hand, some experience Cristhians prefer DMin over the PHD since they consider it more practical for the church needs at these days than doing research in theological research...? God bless everyone there and thank you for sharing. Shalom, Shalom
There are too many assumptions built in to this question. The better question is, is the seminary in its current form serving the church? Are the things taught at seminary necessary? Why is seminary a masters level project: should a person waste 4 years in undergrad first? Seminary has become the "christian" version of secular colleges: they exist to perpetuate themselves.
Should Christian’s collaborate on academic projects pertaining to Christian theology/ethics/history with socially progressive academics? Should a confession ally Christian church historian, for example, coauthor a work on church history with a professing Christian academic who is pro choice? At what point do the social issues bear on whether or not a Christian academic can work with someone?
Great questions.
Good questions. I think I might make another video on this topic. In short, I would say it depends on the context. I'll work up something on this! :) ~ Jordan
Thanks for the thoughtful content, as always :)
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Your point at ~19:15 is crucial. Thank you brother. It is not a retreat to mentally commune with our Lord (ponder and feast on Christology), and then from that strength tackle everything else.
I think the definition of this is your own feelings on it and worst extreme examples of it. Kinda like when people label all Calvinists as hyper calvinists.
Ok! How else would you define it? This is a pretty standard definition in the literature and in no way labels everyone a biblicist. :) ~ Jordan
Thanks for this video. It was extremely helpful.
Do I think the Church could replace the Seminary? No. I *do* think there is something wrong in the idea of taking someone called by God to serve *in* the church, *at* the church, *out* of the church, to train *about* how to serve the Body he is called into. I grant this may be my own experience at having went to Bible College and Seminary most of a decade, only to see closed doors when I got out, and no help in placement. I think ministry training needs to be much closer to the assembly, with a clear view of not turning those called to be pastors into academicians divorced from the Church.
Yes, agree. I went to a Christian college and it was almost impossible to find anyone in the pastoral/biblical degree programs that was actually a member of a church. Very sad. ~ Jordan
Kinda wild how unorthodox it is to tell people it makes sense to stay up late sometimes since there are no kid/family interruptions. I agree. As long as you maintain good sleep habits overall (wake up at same time, no screens beside bed, etc)
Didn’t upset me- very measured. Thanks brother.
Indeed. I've been hearing about R.Scott Clark on this.
I purchased Recovering The Reformed Confession book as you strongly recommended it. Can you tell me what you find so strong about it? Obviously Reformed Presbyterians hold to infant baptism (which is not my position). I agree that it's a matter of conscience whether to rebaptize post conversion after infant baptism. I previously thought it was almost necessary but I have softened my position to optional on it.
Well I find his overall vision to be right on and he pushes back against several key elements of our modern context in ways I don't think others are doing. He doesn't honestly talk too much about infant baptism. It's more about confessional Reformed theology and their piety and practice. :) ~ Jordan
@thelondonlyceum thanks.
@thelondonlyceum I find my personal theology to be Reformed Baptist but I'm an active member of a local conservative non denominational church...so far the book is fascinating and yet some of the critiques of low church modern evangelicalism I find a bit challenging (challenging meaning forcing me to think and be a little uncomfortable which is a good thing).
simple answer: it's not
The issue between Clark and baptists is that Clark wants to deny that there is a lower-case R "reformed" tradition and that there is only capital "R" Reformed. And that all attempts (from any side) to turn the "Reformed Church" into the "reformed Church" is anathema. He's trying to protect and preserve his Reformed Church by saying other things can't use the R word if they don't hold to 100% of the tenets of the Westminster or Three Forms of Unity and the churches that adopt them. It's not worth having the argument because history shows that there obviously is a lower-case R reformed tradition and that the term is extremely useful and clarifying for saying in shorthand "We're with the reformers for the most part." I think Scott Clark is brilliant and great. Many of his writings are useful to me. But I wish people would acknowledge what the argument with him is about and acknowledge that he has set up a debate framework that only he can win. He will never concede to a reformed tradition that isn't purely the Reformed Tradition.
Of course even on his own terms of the debate, he's not Reformed, since he doesn't agree with the older confessions understanding of the civil magistrate. ~ Jordan
@@thelondonlyceum Haha! True! And I do understand his project. I think the London Lyceum is doing a similar thing: trying to clarify and reclaim Baptist heritage from the forces that have corrupted and watered it down over the last two centuries. So, I get it. Hes trying to do that same. He likely worries that if baptists can be "reformed" then it means nothing. The distinctives are meaningless. I wish we could just agree that he can have the capital R we can share the lower case r.
Baptists are not reformed, catholic, or orthodox. And that's okay.
Why's that? ~ Jordan
Oh, this is Gold! What a blessing! 1. When I was a Baptist, I would have defined the regulative principle as it is laid out in the 1689 LBC and as Fred Malone laid it out in his book “The Baptism of Disciples Alone.” However, one of the central tenets of Fred’s book is that the WCF does not apply the regulative principle properly. He says that “good and necessary consequence” reflects the “normative principle” and not the regulative. As I pointed out in the second half of Ch2, Paragraph 6 of the 2LBC, it reflects the same thought of “good and necessary consequence” just reworded. It is a copy and paste of “good and necessary consequences” and justifies the normative principle in certain situations where scripture is unclear. So, to say that I don’t understand the regulative principle is to say that Fred Malone does not either. 2. Secondly, thank you for proving my point about subjective interpretation; given your response, I would ask a couple of questions. - Is your interpretation of “one baptism for the remission of sins” the consensus of the Baptist faith? - Would your interpretation be accepted by the signers of the 1641 LBC or the 1689 LBC? - Could you present this to any communion in the Baptist faith and be considered orthodox within the framework of the Baptist faith? - If you stood on the pulpit of the SBC annual convention and announced your view to the whole convention, would you be allowed on a pulpit again in the SBC? - Is your interpretation of the Nicene creed in keeping with what the writers of the creed itself believed? If you accept infant baptism and count it as valid and would not re-baptize, then you, by default, deny “Believer baptism” as laid out in every major Baptist confession ever written. You are officially not a Baptist, doctrinally. I think I know the answer to all of these. John Bunyan tried your view once and was excommunicated from the fellowship of the signers of 1689. So good luck, friend. I will be praying for you, brother. Lord willing, He will open your eyes and call you back to the one true holy catholic and apostolic faith. May the Lord bless you. (edit: citation of 2LBC in 1st paragraph.) Cheers.
Fred Malone doesn't understand it. You are correct. To your second point, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. To your last comment, I don't think you understand the credobaptist position nor do you understand Bunyan and the debate there. Just look at the appendix to the Second London Confession where they explicitely allow room for these views. Best wishes! ~ Jordan
Fred Malone was a Presbyterian pastor for years and currently works for both the International Reformed Baptist Seminary and Covenant Baptist Seminary. I believe he understands the Reformed perspective better than you, so that's worth considering. Additionally, you answered yes to all those points, but that's one of the most fallacious statements I've ever encountered. If you expressed those views, you would likely be fired from 90% of Baptist churches. Lastly, I know exactly what happened to John Bunyan-his entire church became paedobaptist. I never expected someone with such a respectable platform to hold such misguided views. This is frankly quite strange for me to witness.
Good video, Jordan. We use distinctives (plural) as a cocktail of views that taken together make someone Baptist (note the capital B; many baptistic non-denominational churches are presbyterian at the local, even if they don't have connectionalism; also Pentecostals affirm credobaptism and they seem to be a distinct theological system from the Baptists).
Ah! This is a good way to explain it and I don’t know why I’ve been so dense to not think of it that way. ~ Jordan
I think Clark's view actually entails a bit more than the idea that infant Baptism is required for one to be reformed. Clark seems to specifically say that Westminster (or three forms) Covenant Theology is essential to what it means to be reformed, and he would say that entails infant baptism. As I understand your view (I apologize, but I have not read your paper Reforming Cresibaptism) you would suggest that pedobaptism is not necessary to Reformed CT. I think that is the core of your disagreement with Clark.
Yes, agree. But I don't object to his understanding of covenant theology. ~ Jordan
@@thelondonlyceum You believe old and new covenants are different administrations of the one covenant of grace? 1689 federalism definitely rejects that view.
@@Minininja0412 Yes, that's my belief. No, it doesn't necessarily conflict with chapter 7 of the 2LCF. It's the minority reading, for sure. I've asked Sam Renihan his thoughts on this in the past. Now, speaking of the view of 1689 federalism as a reading of the 2LCF, yes, it conflicts with that. Obviously so. ~ Jordan
Thanks for the Free Will Baptist shout out! I am proud to consider myself Reformed, Baptist, and Arminian. I have the privilege to be part of my local association's credentials committee / ordaining council. A stronger associationalism will make stronger, healthier churches. This was a good video -- very helpful.
Thanks for sharing, brother!! Love my free will baptist brothers and sisters. :) ~ Jordan
Excellent!
Many thanks! ~ Jordan
If I had a dollar for every time I heard someone say "Baptists can't be Reformed" my mortgage would be paid off. Great content as always, Jordan. The London Lyceum is starting to destroy my "Baptist shame" that I have subconsciously adopted due to Baptists usually being the butt of the joke in most reformed circles. Keep it up, brother.
What an incredibly kind comment to receive. Thank you so much, brother!! ~Jordan
Jesus doesn't baptize with water - He baptizes with fire and the Holy Spirit. Apostle Paul didn't do water baptisms either. The men in Acts below, who had partaken of John's water baptism, didn't receive the Holy Spirit, they hadn't even heard about such a thing. When told the meaning of water baptism, the Israelites were preparing to believe in the One coming who can take away sins, they wanted to be baptized in Him. After Paul placed his hands on them, they received the Holy Spirit (and eternal life), no water required. I also find it interesting that every recorded baptism in the New Testament, as this one, was in the name of the Lord Jesus only, not in a trinity of names. Acts 19:2-6 MEV and said to them, "Have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed?" They said to him, "No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit." [3] He said to them, "Into what then were you baptized?" They said, "Into John's baptism." [4] Paul said, "John indeed baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people that they should believe in the One coming after him, that is, in Christ Jesus." [5] When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. [6] When Paul had laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in other tongues and prophesied.
Thanks go sharing. I would say Religious Liberty is a Baptist Distinctive. Because it ties into our anti-Establishmentarianism, and the more restrained view of the Civil Magistrate. But that's a quibble. And otherwise, I agree.
I get that! I think we probably just quibble over semantics. :) ~ Jordan
I like Gavin Ortlund. He holds to the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith, which is mostly Westminster.
Gavin does not hold to the 1689.
Excellent information here Jordan! I may need to check out the book. Any news on when the Abridged Body of Divinity will be available to pre-order as well?
Thanks brother! Abridged volume is moving to typesetting next week. We will determine a realistic release date and then add for pre order. I anticipate sometime by the end of this month!
@@thelondonlyceum Awesome! Thanks for replying! The work you're all doing is huge. Anytime I have someone asking for Podcasts yours is always my first recommendation! Keep up the great work!
@@chaseopsahl Thanks man! That's very kind.
Ah philosophy the disciple that gave us the phlogiston theory of combustion. The idea that the sun orbits earth. Medicine based on blood letting. Philosophy a system of thought placed in the dust bin of history by the rise of induction. Philosophy a dead system of thought that only survives in universities like a living museum of the past. A dead discipline that has no part of modern life. How many philosophers do you need if you set up a new town? None. You might need construction people, planners, doctors shop keepers but you need no philosophers at all. Unless you want a reminder of how effective science has been.
Lol. You don't know what philosophy is, do you? Best wishes ~ Jordan
I wanted to reach out after watching your recent video on the Doctor of Ministry (D.Min.) degree. I’m currently pursuing my master’s in Christian apologetics and have been considering options for furthering my education, including a D.Min. As I look at different doctoral paths, I find it frustrating that there seems to be a stigma attached to professional doctorates, particularly the D.Min., compared to the Ph.D. or other academic doctorates. It’s as if the applied focus of a D.Min. makes it less worthy in the eyes of some, despite the real value it provides to those working in ministry. What I find especially challenging is that this divide in academic recognition seems to mirror dynamics in other fields. For example, my wife holds a Doctor of Physical Therapy (DPT) degree and has experienced similar “second-class” treatment compared to other healthcare professionals. Although her work profoundly impacts her patients, it can be overshadowed by those who believe her training lacks rigor simply because it’s a different type of doctorate. That same dismissive attitude toward professional doctorates, such as the D.Min. or DPT, overlooks the significant expertise and experience these paths cultivate. Historically, education in many cultures carried a title of “doctor” with far less academic division-those with advanced learning were respected for the knowledge they brought, not the specific letters after their name. In today’s landscape, however, it feels that the emphasis has shifted more to classification than to contribution, creating an unnecessary hierarchy. This undermines the purpose and dignity of degrees that are applied in nature, whether in ministry, healthcare, or other fields. Ultimately, my hope is to see the value of each doctorate, including the D.Min., recognized for its unique strengths. If the aim is truly to benefit the community-whether in a church, clinic, or classroom-then it seems short-sighted to denigrate one path just because it doesn’t fit a narrow academic mold. All paths of advanced learning require commitment, and each offers something crucial to the people they serve. Thank you for your thoughts on this subject, and I appreciate your work sparking these discussions.
Hi Brother, thanks for reaching out and sharing your thoughts! I think the DMin is a fine degree so long as you understand it's purpose. However, I think most that are seeking additional education could be better served by alternative degrees like the ThM. I wouldn't compare the DMin to a DPT. My issues with the DMin are not that it has a different focus or is "professional" but that it lacks the quality that should be expected of a degree of its stature. However, like you said, if the aim is truly to benefit the community, and if all education is good, then yes, one for the DMin! ~ Jordan
@@thelondonlyceum Hey Jordan, thanks for reaching out and sharing your thoughts! Since watching the video and making my first comment, I’ve taken some time to do a deeper dive into this subject-not so much about the D.Min. being viewed as “less than,” but about the different paths available now. I’m not sure when you completed your studies, but it looks like there are now several directions for those pursuing a D.Min. After reflecting on it, I’ve decided that once I finish my master’s, I’ll be switching schools to pursue an M.Div. I’m realizing that, like you pointed out, I value a practical, hands-on education that emphasizes preaching and ministry skills. I hadn’t even planned on returning to school for my master’s, but the situation made it necessary. So once I wrap up my current courses, the M.Div. feels like the right step to gain the practical experience I’m looking for. As for a Ph.D., I don’t see myself as an educator and don’t have the desire to go that route. It’s unfortunate that some larger churches focus on having a doctorate for certain roles, regardless of one’s actual abilities. Some of the best preachers I know don’t have advanced degrees, and it hasn’t limited their impact. If you have the calling and ability, the title shouldn’t matter as much. Anyway, thanks again for the discussion, and I hope you have a blessed week!
@nickcrayne6702 thanks for listening
If you want a consistent regulative principle, you'd better go to the church of Christ because several things within the Baptist, faith and confessions, are not consistent with the regulative principle. Subjective interpretation is king in Baptist life; anyone who us truly consistent will see that. I do get tired of this argument being used to justify historical accretion. With in the 1689 LBC there is literally a re-worded section on "good and nessisary consequence." When yall can affirm the Nicene creed without twisting yourselves into pretzels to do it then the rest of the church will hear you. Grace and peace brothers. I love your evangelism and zeal, however your ecclesialogy is trash.
A lot of different ideas being shared here.... 1) It's not clear to me from what you said here what a Baptist can't affirm about the regulative principle. What exactly is inconsistent in the confessions? 2) Who said subjective interpretation is king in Baptist life? Not all Baptists are like the one you met down the street. It's not just Baptists that have subjective interpretations today, anyway. Welcome to modern American religion. 3) Yes, the changed the terminology slightly in their confession from WCF. It doesn't change the original point of WCF. 4) What does the Nicene creed have to do with any of this? What can't a Baptist affirm? ~ Jordan
@@thelondonlyceum Ok, I’ll keep this short. Debates are not best had in the comment session; they are an inadequate forum. 1. If you are to properly apply the regulative principle as laid out in the 1689 LBC confession without taking language from the WCF of “good and necessary consequence” or affirming a theology that allows for anything other than something “either expressly set down or necessarily contained in the Holy Scripture,” then you must get rid of the rest of Ch2: Ph6 which says:” there are some circumstances concerning the worship of God, and government of the church, common to human actions and societies, which are to be ordered by the light of nature and Christian prudence, according to the general rules of the Word, which are always to be observed.” That my brother… is “good and necessary consequence” reskinned. Is dancing in worship or any type of musical instrument expressly talked about as being used in NT worship? If not, then your presuppositions are flawed from the start, and the Church of Christ is correct and applies your interpretation of the regulative principle more adequately than you. 2. I’ve been to many Reformed Baptist churches, my friend, and all of them will teach a different doctrine or a different interpretation of the confession. If you have no ecclesiological structure to regulate the interpretation of the confession for the congregation, then unfortunately, no matter how well you understand the confession, your interpretation is subjective and will vary from person to person and church to church. This is why you had several “Reformed Baptists” recently deny the Asiety of God. I will add as well that the Baptist interpretation of scripture itself is novel and only really came about 389 years ago with the drawing of the Baptist in London unless you want to be like your brother and claim the Anabaptist, which I would not recommend. Any good student of Church history knows this to be true. Your faith is not the historic faith. It is a novel interpretation of the Holy Scripture. 3. I handled this in point one. 4. Can you affirm “one Baptism for the remission of sins?” how? If you can, why do you re-baptize people like the Donotist? If you say, “It's not a re-baptism,” I would ask you, Is your view consistent with what the formularies of the creed meant by “one baptism for the remission of sins”? If you say yes, then historically, show me which one of the Fathers supported your baptism theology that is not a heretic of an apostate. You are a historical accretion. The faster you see that, the faster we can have unity in the body.
Good Lord.... almost 20 mins of nonsense.... yall wonder why classical Protestants don't take Baptist seriously.
Lol. It's the style of this show. Plenty of others like it. Nothing to do with being Baptist. Cheers. ~ Jordan
The only nonsense was Jake talking about Alabama.....
@faithseekingcatholicity FIRST: Why take the Lord’s name in vain? It’s not a good look. SECOND: One man’s “nonsense” is another man’s charming. THIRD: What is a “classical Protestant?” A Lutheran?
@@JimDoubleYa 1) Not in vain; that was a genuine cry for mercy and understanding. 2) This is a theological conversation, not ESPN bro edition. 3) Any other historical protestant faith outside the of radical reformers, I.E., anyone who can affirm the Nicene creed line by line without wincing.
I’m very interested in Baptist catholicity. What would be a good entry point for someone wanting to learn about our theological rigorous roots?
Great question. My suggestion (Jordan here! - I can ask Jake and Jesse) in terms of contemporary resources is probably the new edited volume "Baptists and the Christian Tradition" (amzn.to/48guHbS). Steve Harmon has an older valuable work from a different perspective "Towards Baptist Catholicity" (amzn.to/3A6a6dV). There are also a few important essays in the Journal for Biblical and Theological Studies on baptism and if that prohibits Baptists from practicing catholicity. ~ Jordan
Baptist theology is an accretion. - said in a Gavin Ortland voice.
What do you think of Poythress’s book on logic? Thanks for the video.
I've had it forever but never actually read it. So I'm not sure I could give a good answer. It's big, though! :) ~ Jordan
Jordan, what's up brother. We used to interact a little on Twitter when I was there years ago, hope you're doing well. Great vid and selections here. There's so much I'd like to share here, but I'll say that my fav intro to philosophy was O'Sullivan's (a true intro to other intros), and Henri Renard's The Philosophy of Being.
Big Mike! :) I of course remember. The glory days. I haven't read O'Sullivan. I'll have to check it out. Thanks man. Hope things are well and you're dry. ~ Jordan
So Jesse, why are there so few historical General Baptist / Free Will Baptist works on church polity and ecclesiology?
English General Baptists did produce works on polity/ecclesiology. Francis Stanley’s Christianity Indeed is excellent. I hope to make that and some others available in the future. Regarding modern Free Will Baptists, we did not produce much on ecclesiology in the last century. I think that will change in the next decade.
@@jesseowens771 Stephen Ashby and I talked about us needing one when I took two of his classes from Randall (Hillsdale at the time, 2005-2006). He thought that would be a great pursuit.