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Actually this build it’s wrong ahha

I have a deck very similar to the zig-zag deck but in Axiom. However, in certain match ups, I play it like a classic control deck, just stalling until getting Rare Hive. It does pretty well, though. I've been getting around 4-2 in the Swiss tournaments I've been participating in, so it doesn't seem terrible, although it does have some problems that hopefully get solved in future sets.

What about Celebration Day + Grand Endeavor?

Control needs overstated creatures with defender and gigantic and maybe even tough. Basically a boardwipe that blanks out progression on both exbiditons without actually wiping the board

I think there is a miss concept related to altered, altered is not a value game, altered is a control game. Put a character in play is a controll decision not a value decision because the character are removed from play, there is no value that remains in play. You are constantly trying to counter your opponent. E.g. Put any character counter other character. The exception of this are permanent, they can create value because they remain in play. And i think they are really balanced. If play in the right moment they can create a snow ball effect. The effect of discard cards from play or game are super strong in this game, because a card can be play multiple times, so you cant compare it with magic, maybe a closest game will be you gi oh, where card has a rol of resource too but yugi also dont have hand discard effects. What you are talking about or want to say in your video is find a way to play using only spell instead of character. But thats not control is just play spells. Related to ideas of "controll" card, it could be a card that create a token that have the same statistics that opponent character plus one, but it has defender. This card could be a low cost card to "control" the game and wait until play the win card condition, but the game is on a early state and us as player need to learn to count first Finally i think the prison strategy is also really bad for the game, we are watching it with robin hood and his +1 cost effect, in altered this kind of startegic are difficult to implement because in your turn you have just a few action you can take becouse hand size and resource limits In other word is really difficult to make that a game persist for many turn Finally, Regarding of what a say here, is a really good video that give an start point to try to understand altered Thanks for your work and effort

Please make a deck build or guide for sigismar

An aspect of control for magic is also in stealing the opponents spells and minions. Back in the old days of magic you had Bribery, which let you play your opponents best creatures from their deck. And you had Treachery, which was gain control of an opponents creature, while untapping your mana you used on the spell. There was also effects like Pestilence, which let you drain mana into a repeating ability which effects all creatures more each time you use it again. But would go away when the board was empty. Another thing could be a way to use mana as a creature and not have to use your cards each turn as a character.

I would recommend Board Game Arena

I think control players will get additional pieces and I actually hope that this looks at being able to take out 0 and 1 cost cards (maybe 2 or less). At present most strategies seem to revolve around having 0-3 cost cards in the deck and nickel and diming for wins on a side. You rarely seem that many 4+ cost cards and are incentivized from playing them because creating advantage from 'free' tokens and low cost value cards is the best way to go. Robin Hood is the main counter to this as playing lots of cards will add one per card. However Robin is not fun for anyone to play against, so a better solution is required.

`Goff you go is probably just about okay. I think Teamwork Training is strong and that is not terrible up against it. Wraken's Krath is busted however and not a spell I want to see. It completely breaks the principles of the game and not something I'm keen to see. Footh Tairy is another card I don't want to see. Way too strong for the effect. You are getting double value for the same cost. Discarding a card is worth 2 mana. Sabotage is worth 1 mana. Plus you are getting a 1/1/1 on top of that. Too strong, sorry. Baku is not overcosted. Badigir is fine. I think that wouldn't cause any issues, though I suspect they wouldn't put it in Yzmir 🙂. I would have the rare ability make it cost 5 at common at 4 at rare though.

Think there are some good points in the video, but a big miss/not a fair representation is "Removal is overcosted". Sure it's partially true when looking at lower cost characters or including robin hood tax, but the removal currently available in altered has a HUGE impact on decks and what cards are even viable. If removal was truly overcosted, we would see things like Kraken, Hydra, and Kaibara, and anchored characters (more on them later) dominating the play space because removal wouldn't be worth running in the first place and larger characters would be left to do their thing. The reason removal FEELs overcosted, is that right now the best characters and strategies are all just better than paying the combined equivalent mana for one big play because removal is actually fairly cheap relative to the cost of those larger threats. The meta has adapted to mitigate the power of removal by just playing lower cost characters and permanents that all gain immediate value or aren't worth using a removal card on, but that doesn't mean removal is "overcosted". There is a reason why there is a dearth of Muna in the top placements; the faction as a whole is reliant on characters (anchored) or permanents (festival) sticking around to gain value turn over turn but the current removal cards available just invalidate that strategy because they DO devalue those plays to the point where the Muna player can be blown out by a simple removal spell devaluing their plays to the nth degree.

By traditional control you are talking about MtG control and to be frank I'm glad that it doesn't exist. The way Altered is set up the whole design of the game is different and leads to very different decisions in how gameplay works. If I wanted to play with that kind of control in the game then I'd have stayed playing MtG. The Altered GDs have to come up with untraditional ways of control, such as things like After You. Now I'm not saying that they got it 100% correct and seem to have erred on the side of removal being a touch weak, but I am glad they did. Too effective mass removal spells for instance would make the game feel very different and a lot more feel bad.

I really like the Zig-Zag Akesha list you linked. I also had trouble making Akesha work quite as well as I wanted on BGA ranked (evidence in my own vids haha). I still love the hero and will continue to play it more. Great vid.

I think Equinox's design philosophy is to try not to make too much control in the game so you don't feel too bad about not playing your game. This was the reason cited for looking at nerfing Robin Hood. Hand hate is also negative interaction and I was suprised when they revealed Baku as its a feel bad card.

Great video, and I’m glad someone finally cleared the air of what is actually control. For your points, I do agree with a lot of them, one of the first things I complained about control was why Kraken’s Wrath was so restrictive lol. I think our tools are a bit better than what you’ve suggested, but I do agree that what we have now are too weak to answer the major threats in a game. Also appreciate you mentioning ZigZag Akesha, it is prob the best example of a tempo build of Alesha rn and I’m looking forward to seeing how it evolves.

I've been ranked 85th at Angers tournament, doing 7-3. I lost last match by timeout, with 5 more mins i was 100% winning and going 8-2, so maybe somewhere around top 50. I was playing an Akesha Kadigir, on my 10 match, i fought 4 times vs Waru (2 win - 2 lose) and 3 times vs Sigismar (2 - 1). Ordis is really the worst possible matchup for my list, considering this, i felt like it was very consistent. To talk about the "Control system" on altered, you are absolutely right to say that at this point of the game, the whole majority of mechanism at our disposal are worthless. It took me a lot of effort to figure out a way to balance my control deck and have a positive winrate with it, and now i've reached this point where there is hardly any variation i could try that wouldn't break it... Because there is just not enough good cards to do the job. To explain quickly my strategy : - First objective is to control "as good as possible" to stay alive up to the 8 mana turn ( it's still ok if i won 0 expedition at this point, as long as i'am not dead ). I achieve this by Zou! turn 1 and again turn 2 (opponent will most likely win 0 or 1 expe each turn). I can also put some Alice or Kadigir Alchimist to block one exp. My uniques almost all have the "send to reserve a character that cost 3 or less, allowing me to control one opponent body while blocking another one with my stats. - Second objective is to draw a LOT I have to figure out the best moment to give up on both expeditions in order to draw as much as possible (playing the rare conjuration seal and/or magical training). - Third phase is when i reach 8 mana (or 7mana if i have a reduction cost in reserve, that i can have with some of my uniques). At this point i stall as long as possible, with my akesha power, then with Alice's support ability. If my opponent dont have enough low cost, he may have deplete enough mana to not be able to counter my incoming combo. I play Kadigir Bastion (rare), then i use it for a celebration Day. - Fourth phase : now the first Kadigir is up, its time to consolidate. If i'am first player, i just replay my Celebration Day from reserve, using my Kadigir ( before my opponent remove my Kadigir eventually ) If i'am second player and my opponent remove my Kadigir, then i just put another Kadigir to replace, and i play the Celebration Day anyway. If opponent sabotage the Celebration Day, then i hope to have another one in hand ( thats why i draw a ton of cards during the turn before ). I have be able to put down a second Kadigir to go to the last phase. - Fifth phase : i now have 2 Kadigir, its time to win the game. Basic combo is, first Kadigir play small step, second Kadigir play Celebration Day, my mana is used to play Conjuring seal 2 times in a row and cycle my deck. at this point i should have 12+ cards in hand at any moment, cycling my deck while moving forward step by step and preventing him to do anything. when i'am 4 expedition away from winning, i can play 4 small step in one turn ( require 12+ mana and 2 kadigir up ). Conclusion : there is a lot more tips and tricks to learn to be able to be consistent with this deck, the complexity goes higher when opponents have answers in hand (permanent removal, lots of sabotage). The number of missplays you could make is big, and you wont feel comfortable playing it unless you trained for 50+ games. ( dont fool yourself you wont reach 75% winrate on ladder with this deck but you can definitly be positive ) The golden rule before 8 mana is : "never play a single card with the intent of winning an expedition"... you should absolutely use every single ressources you have to prevent the opponent from moving forward. (yes, there is a huge difference) Even playing a tiny body on a open field after the opponent passed could be a mistake if you are not sure to have enough to handle what's next. TY for reading, here is the list i used for the tournament (my most recent version is slightly different) : ibb.co/mHQpFBs

This is such an important video, gonna have to share and react. There is potentially a conversation to be had about what control COULD look like in Altered versus What it SHOULD look like. but all your points are very good. a friend and I are trying to do Kojo Control and the comment about the zigzag akesha strat is similar to what we came up with.

Great Video! Really insightful. I like decklists and gamplay but theorycrafting videos is something i now crave more of :)

Waru is the controle archetype of set 1

Strong video. I like the way you explained what control is about and what it is missing at the moment. Specifically the names of the cards are probably spot on 👌💪

I don't fully agree. The fundamental misconception some players make is that one part of the control plan is to be reactive instead of proactive, and usually wins through exhaustion, a thing you could totally do in Altered, as at some points characters will not draw enough cards per turn. Control CAN use bodies. In Altered you can - or could - deny your opponent's plays by playing matching stats for a lower cost, essentially with characters with "Defenders". But these characters are poorly stated (turtle/archivist) and cannot really contest expeditions. A classic removal like fatal push would then be like a 2/2/2 with defender for 1/1 that conditionally get 2 boosts. As you pointed though, there are not much alternative win conditions yet, or they are a bit too much expensive and/or easy to break. I also think that the core mechanics of the game favour low-costed characters and that playstyle is not really punishable in the first set (except with Robin). In that sens Gulrang would be the ultimate control hero. (And generally Ordis and not Yzmiz which is more supposed to be tempo oriented)

I wonder as to if they’ll expand upon removal options in the next set. But that aside, I feel like they wanted to encourage sort of the “normal” play they’d set for Altered, where it’s all about having the better stats in an expedition, and for now or maybe still going forward are refraining from flooding the game with control pieces. Also have to keep in mind how there’s no instant speed, which definitely hurts control in this game.

this random txg just poped up on my utube feed today looks so cool cant wait for tmorow to go and get myself a deck

hahah how you can say in waru that playing something awake its a mistake.... the opposite its allways a mistake

As a Muna player, Mana Channeling along with Bountiful Meadow puts you in a great state. Unless your opponent is ramping too, they simply can't keep up.

i have to complain. You are not doing enough videos!! i want more gameplay, even with the same decks!!

Thanks for mentioning me ❤ I absolutely love this archetype. Playing this deck has some crazy plays. Even without foundry you can do really well. I’ve been tinkering with ratios of rare slots. But haven and foundry are sure two of.

I can't wait to build this deck. Someone at my locals is also building it and it looks fun!

I just started experimenting with Foundry in Axiom and it's such a cool card. You can get so much value out of it. Absolutely underrated card and totally gonna play around with it more. Still don't own 3 copies though, which is pretty sad.

25:37 you didn’t do the play in the game because of spindle 😂 I’m sure you were thinking about that then but probably not during editing

Sir, I had literally been looking over cards for this strategy last night, and now here you are, having posted a video on it! XD Also, having become bored with how… Samey things feel with MtG, the amount of strategy variety that Altered offers even with this first set is such a breath of fresh air.

Babe wake up, new KojoMain video just dropped

I like that you show gameplay of the deck. I think that's super important but I do feel like the deck tech part of the video is a little empty. Maybe you could go more in depth into the deck tech with like numbers. Maybe show us the deck list on screen for a couple moments and talk about some of the choices and then do the gameplay

Robin hood is not strong per se but the fact that he is a bureaucrat and the fact that exists a leader that gives sleep to bureaucrat is what makes this combo powerful. Changing the subtype in "human" instead of bureaucrat will halve the power of this card.

Today i got 4 of these promo booster in an event. I was expecting only 1. Very nice

is nice to show the defeats too, i like it, cause is a good way to learn about it, so much thanks <3 keep it

Preach it. Deck is good, but it's boring.

The Foundry Kojo ? 😏

So defender only keeps your expedition from moving forward? Or does it keep both sides from moving?

Great video! I disagree about Team Work training it murders me when i play Basira

Enjoying your videos, good job! Just wondering why you don't use Board Game Arena for your games? Its automated, so you won't use the wrong ones and displays boots and stuff more clearly - plus you can review your game and step through it so you can get screenshots. it does have the 'disadvantage' of linking to your Altered Account so can only use cards you own so there's less 'uber' decks

Crazy...... Putting basira in D tier.

in second game, copelia is a robot, she should have had 2 boosts from Brassbug Hives

Nice deck! I'll be building Gulrang myself because of this!

"Waru is the deck to beat" {Doesn't have a video on Waru}

Thanks for another banger video! Somehow you get to do all the heroes I also like play! Gulrang seems very interesting to build! Looking forward to play against you sometimes! Keep up the good work.

Nice video, you tested atlas build?

I like this build!

Jean creates only 1 bug on each side, coppelia gets boosted for the hives and probably other stuff i forgot

Thank you for another video. Quite a few game changing errors in this one. Recommend using BGA if you can as it automatically does a lot of the game management. Jeanne d'Arc in Axiom only makes one big on each side, not two.