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We really feel for you @rosiereds4996 God is always good to His sheep. Pray for His leading. We looked around for you. Have you tried these? g3min.org/g3-church-network/map/?wpsl-search-input=colorado+springs&wpsl-radius=50&wpsl-results=25

The text we're dealing with here is Exodus 20-22. This was indentured servitude within Israel. We will certainly cover the other issue surrounding foreign slavery when we get there in the Bible. But be sure of this - Slaves could not be taken by kidnapping (Ex. 21) and while they were treated harsher than Israelite servants there were many reasons foreigners would become servants or slaves --- and they were to be loved and treated well, with Israel remembering what it was like to be slaves themselves in Egypt. We don't sugarcoat or avoid difficult texts but wrestle with them in the totality of Scripture. God clearly does not want people treated like property nor abused. Even the "harshest" Israelite legislation cannot compare to the cruel treatment in the ancient world for slaves nor the American South. We encourage you to read www.reasonablefaith.org/question-answer/P650/servitude-in-ancient-israel-pt-i

@@GraceRiverNH "Even the "harshest" Israelite legislation cannot compare to the cruel treatment in the ancient world for slaves nor the American South. " This is the fallacy many apologists commit: the fallacy of false equivalence. They compare the Mosaic Law with the actual tretment of slaves in other nations. That is fundamentally false and misleading. They draw a false picture based on this. You have to compare law by law different law collection dealing with slavery. You really can't compare the treatment in ancient Israel with the treatmant in the antebellum, South or ancient Near East since we do not have a sufficient amount of report from ancient times to get a complete picture. Therefore a comparison of the different law collection is the only solid basis for an aanalysis how similar or different (chattel) slavery was in different societies. Concerning your link. Paul Copan is one of the worst sources when it comes to the topic of slavery. He misunderstands passages and gives in general a wrong impression of the topic. I would higly recommend to change your source. I would suggest: "Did the Old Testament Endorse Slavery?" from Joshua Bowen. Make sure you get the 2nd edition. The bibliography and law collctions listed there give a great starting point for further invertigations of the topic of slavery.

@cygnusustus Did you listen to the clip? Try the full sermon th-cam.com/video/wI19HrKLmS8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=lDkelMAoBBTB4UFF

Your comments are always welcome!

Lies? You know Exodus 21 doesn't say that slave owners can beat their servants to death. Even if a tooth was broken they had to let them go completely free -- free from debt and service: 26 “If a man hits the eye of his male or female servant and destroys it, he will let the person go free because of the eye. 27 If he knocks out a tooth of his man or woman servant, he will let the person go free because of the tooth. Verse 20 is not referring most likely to abuse (for Israel was reminded to treat even servants as brothers) but punishment or defense -- it had to be limited.

@ So, you can owned children, women and men as property (ie Chattel Slavery) if you don’t beat them? Your moral compass is broken by the defense of your imaginary deity for fear of going to a fake hell. Your unholy book not only enslaved human beings, but command you to follow these inhuman laws and rules.

Bullshit ! Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property. Can slaves be beaten? Yes Can the be beaten almost to the point of death ? Yes If the slave recovers in a few days is the slaves master punished ? No Please stop lying ok ?

not UNDER mosaic law...other non-believers who perverted it and used it for their corrupt wants. they abused and perverted what MOSAIC LAW is SUPPOSED to be.. if you have to lie to defend your beliefs, it is time to get new beliefs

Amen @MikeSchmitt-y7p !

The Psalms are a good start, but even in a stricter Regulatory Principle we have no biblical basis for saying a church must "only" sing the Psalms. Thanks for the comment and support.

We really have no idea what you're upset about :) Yes, the Bible is clear about "back then and now" and what God was dealing with in Exodus 21 was indentured servitude and not the race-based slavery of the American South in the 16th-19th centuries. The pastor isn't saying God changes, but that you need to understand biblical context by understanding the original audience's history, culture, etc. This is called proper exegesis and hermeneutics. Thank you for engaging with us @Gilchrist247

Amen and amen! Thanks for the engagement.

Thanks for the good thoughts. A Christian can follow their own conscious and the Spirit regarding these matters. We don't/can't forbid people from making their own decision. We were stating why as a church we don't sing/recommend these artists. Individual songs might be OK but we don't want to support these ministries based on their poor theology (major issues) and associations with heresies and heretics. We are not "sowing further division" but testing the spirits and using Christian, Spirit-led and biblical discernment on what is wise, profitable, and best for our Body.

The biggest reason you should stop singing songs from Hillsong, Bethel, Jesus Culture, and Elevation is that their music embodies a false theology of worship. For more --> g3min.org/stop-singing-hillsong-bethel-jesus-culture-and-elevation/?srsltid=AfmBOoru6RWpcPwq688xC0yPBVwv4PcFyN7tH7QJ9geoayHy7Cmrn34W

@@GraceRiverNH False Theology of Worship? That's interesting! What I hear in Hillsong's music is a lot of thanks and praise both to and for our Saviour. Now how are you defining worship? I define it as to how we live our lives. I am not going to set myself as a judge of people I don't even know.

Example, you are God in heaven and here am I on earth, so let my words be few. Jesus, i am so in love with you. More like a love song than worship

@@MarkJohnson-jb6kn I don't think you know what worship is. What is greater than love? And Hillsong certainly haven't been short of words, so I don't think you know Hillsong's music either.

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Why is it, that after 37 likes, YOU are the only exception that did comment. Well, it's about damn time! Well, I believe GOD saw you do that, and I believe he is pleased with you today.

Thank you. We highly suggest you give this a quick read: g3min.org/stop-singing-hillsong-bethel-jesus-culture-and-elevation/?srsltid=AfmBOoru6RWpcPwq688xC0yPBVwv4PcFyN7tH7QJ9geoayHy7Cmrn34W

Forgiveness gives grace. Resentment and anger brings hurt.

@thor_2177 - Thanks for engaging. Certainly we don't condone bad parenting (neither does God!). The message is this: Christ gives us resources of mercy, patience, truth, grace and love by which we can love even "terrible" parents with His kind of love. In Christ, we are free from parental judgment and can heal from parental scars.

We agree with you! Thanks for taking the time to engage.

We can pray, "Lord, I do believe in you, help me in my unbelief." Faith is a free gift from God. So turn to God for more faith. He gifts us faith through God the Holy Spirit. Ephesians 2:8: "By grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast"

Faith is a gift from God, not earned through good deeds or kind words Faith is a supernatural gift that comes from God's grace and mercy Faith is a gift that provides assurance and security in our relationship with God

Thank you @rosemarietolentino3218 for the support and love. Amen, amen on Romans!

Amen, amen! Thank you for engaging with us and standing up for the gospel

Very well said, brother. May the church encounter the truth of the living God and His true Holy Spirit and lose their hunger for "experience," "manifestations," and "buzz"

Actually, Jesus says we're all by default "sons and daughters" of our father, Satan (John 8:44). In our fallen sinful nature, we are "children of wrath" (Ephesians 2:3) and NOT born as God's children. It is through faith alone, in Christ Jesus alone that we are blessed to become children of God: "He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God." - John 1:11-13

What? Do tell...

Thanks for the support and love and Gospel hope @adelnunez-g4p May the Lord bless and keep you until He comes back.

Thanks for the support and encouragement. Let's stay very thankful to our Father.

Amen, He is King of Kings, indeed!

Right back at ya! Thank you for your support.

Romans 3:19-20 Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. 20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

Whoa! We don't know what you're after friend. The Galatians were certainly not predominantly Jews by religion or ethnicity but pagan Greco-Romans at the time of Paul sharing the Gospel of Christ with them.

All of us are under the law, and subject to its penalties, apart from a faithful, trusting union with Christ Jesus, and this by grace. Galatians 4:4-5. The verse states, "But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law". Who do you think Paul is speaking about here?

@GraceRiverNH We were never ever under the law. Period. The fact that a church teaches that all humanity was subject to the law of Moses is scary. Paul is talking to scattered uncircumcised northern kingdom Israelites in Galatians. That's why he told them "we were kept under the law". Pagans were never under the law. Check this out: *He has revealed his word to Jacob, his laws and decrees to Israel. He has done this for NO other nation; they DO NOT know his laws. Pslam 147 That literally says the opposite of what you claim.

The church is not under the stipulations of the "Mosaic Law" but we are certainly under the penalty of God's moral, universal law. The Bible has several verses that discuss being under the law, including: Romans 6:14: "For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace" Galatians 5:18: "But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law" Galatians 3:23-25: "Before this faith came, we were held in custody under the law" Romans 10:4: "Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes" Romans 2:12: "All who sin apart from the law will perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law" Romans 3:23: "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" Explanation The phrase "under the law" refers to relying on good works for salvation, justification, and eternal life. The Bible teaches that Jesus came and enacted a new covenant that freed believers from living under the law. Believers are now under grace, which means they are not under the law.

@GraceRiverNH There is no such thing as "gods moral universal law". Paul said 'sin apart from the law (Mosaic law) is dead" Do you believe him?

@GraceRiverNH PS every verse you posted is contextually about old covenant Israel under all. The "gentiles" (ethnos) being redeemed in the first century were scattered uncircumcised northern kingdom Israelites. This is why Paul told them "we were kept under the law"...because they really were.

God bless you Kevin

If by "Catholic" you mean "catholic" = universal, yes indeed.

@GraceRiverNH Yes indeed. All the CATHOLIC Churches that were original at that time. With there bishops. With AUTHORITY. 🙏🏻🔑⛪️🍷🍞🕊✝️📖

Thanks for the confirmation and support! We appreciate it very much.

AMEN!

You're spot on. That's what's so great about understanding God the Son taking on a full humanity to His divinity. He is our great High Priest who really "gets" us.