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So appreciate this talk. If I'm hearing this correctly, the Council of Nicea used Plato and Neoplatonist to maybe interpret Jesus, possibly leading away from who Jesus really was, or what he was truly about. Hearing Jesus could be understood from the ground up, making him very practical, relatable to the average person is very interesting. Where as Plato more from the top down, a different perspective, and a community trying to form Christianity into a solid movement with a doctrine to hold it together, maybe mixed the two ideologies to get what they wanted. Looking from different view points including a historical view is so helpful. Thank you.

“Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge? Dress for action like a man; I will question you, and you make it known to me." - God (Job 38:2-3)

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Many are 'Making the NEWS'...who is 'Reporting the Truth'? Before i was born 'The Mighty One -Father of Abraham' knew me by name and Jesus told you i was coming. (Matt 24:27) For decades i have walked among you only to be censored and ignored but the message remains the same. "Recognize the 'Sign of Jonah' (Matt 12:41) and repent...Only liars censor because the Truth shall set you free." -Pope Vincent (Glory of the Olive) "Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life while all others are the unrighteous and self-righteous racing down a 2-lane highway to the 'Lake of Fire'." -Pope Vincent (Glory of the Olive) "Pride is a sin not a celebration. GOD gave the rainbow to all of humanity not gay people and Mental Illness isn't a Human Right. When you cut the balls off a bull you don't start calling it a cow and try milking it." -Pope Vincent (Glory of the Olive) "Only liars think the Truth hurts because it destroys their illusions and delusions but to those that 'Seek it' it is music to their ears." -Pope Vincent (Glory of the Olive) "Jesus never came to start a new religion but to remove that yoke from you and lead ALL (Jew & Gentile alike) back to GOD. Learn to 'Walk in the Way' as Christ taught. (Luke 9:3) (Matt 6:6)" -Pope Vincent (Glory of the Olive) "Before you can follow in the footsteps of any Master you must first learn to imitate their step." -Pope Vincent (Glory of the Olive) "Lie is at the center of believe because only the Truth shall set you free whether you believe it or not...Have Faith and 'Seek it'." -Pope Vincent (Glory of the Olive) "The 'Leap of Faith' is letting go of the 'Make Believe System' in order to 'Seek the Truth' in all things." -Pope Vincent (Glory of the Olive) "It is not for me to determine between the fools and the wise but to share my words equally that their actions show for themselves which they are." -Pope Vincent (Glory of the Olive) "Jesus loves the little children...He doesn't rape or bomb them." -Pope Vincent (Glory of the Olive)

JESUS was a JEW. HE was preaching the GOSPEL, confirming the REVELATIONS of MOSES. JESUS never heard the names jesus and Christianism in his lifetime. These were the invention of Paul. Paul have never seen the christ. He claimed that He appearead to him on his way to Damas. Jesus 's family and His apostles followed the teachings and the commandments of JESUS in according to the REVELATIONS of MOSES.. But Paul betrayed them, imposing by force his new religion he called christianism.

Wow! What an amazingly balanced and well informed ex Jesus on the exciting and challenging to The Secret Gospel of Mark.

Judeo-Christianity is based on a person's ability to talk themselves into illness.

"Ranching" gives me a Lonesome Dove or Yellowstone vibe. Shepherd/Sheep farming seems more accurate to me.

everyone who Loves Jesus should listen/read The Gospel of Thomas until they fully innerstand it... you will come to learn the god of this world is a demiurge... just learn the hidden history and look around... this is a fallen world run by demons...

Very much enjoyed the conversation - also, great last name, Dr. Zinner ;-)

Very interesting! I am reminded of Carl Jung who said, "...the psychic conditions which breed demons are as actively at work as ever. The demons have not really disappeared but have merely taken on another form: they have become unconscious psychic forces."

Norea died, plain and simple when she became one with Sophia.

The lost pages of the Gospel of Mary are very important, which is exactly why they are missing. I don't believe that they take any Glory away from Jesus. They just don't fit the narrative.

AJ, you are ALWAYS amazing!

Fascinating. Dr. Schacterle presents the arcane subject of how early monastic practices fit into the early church in such an accessible, engaging way. Well done.

I’ll share two quotes that Jesus said “If therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light" and "the kingdom of God is within you". When you experience this you will then know gnosis.

“Real” and “forgery” in Christian studies are interesting questions but are actually not very useful for basing one’s ideological positions unless one accepts the theory of apostolic authority. Many, if not the majority of early Christian and Christian adjacent texts are anonymous or likely forgeries, yet they have been and are still seen as authoritative for Christians. The Book of Mormon, for example, is an obvious forgery but millions still revere it and believe it is an accurate record of ancient history.

Don't think the Heavenly Father of Jesus would have ordered the genocide of innocent children and women that we find in the OT. As a military veteran and student of religious wars, it's not beyond belief that the military commanders and rulers of ancient Israel could have done the dastardly deeds, and then created the narrative that God told them to do it.

Vivid dreams, imaginations & deep intuitive insights can create new and innovative understandings, knowledge, and inspiration for creating artistic works of beauty.

Gnosis is an experience not an idea

Picking up on Jesus the stonemason. Josephus described Jesus as being hunch backed. Perhaps he injured his back (rolling a stone), had to give up his job age 27, then became a preacher instead. Note that rolling of stones was very common in antiquity. Column drums had a wagon wheel tied both sides, and were rolled from A to B. In that period, there was hundreds/thousands of columns being built in Israel and Egypt.

I bet she played on Bible Hill as a kid across from Mt. Zion.

Anyone with any moral sense, who reads the Bible, will conclude that the "God" of the Old Testament is an EVIL entity. He's vengeful, jealous, and genocidal. He's a bloodthirsty god, who demands bloody sacrifices to appease his wrath. He punishes the innocent for the sins of the guilty. He not only condones, but REQUIRES, his alleged "Chosen People" to wage wars of annihilation. Truly, with a "God" like that, who needs a "Devil"? But Jesus comes along, and teaches about a God who is loving & merciful. And the "Gnostics" maintained that Jesus was sent by the TRUE God, to free people from bondage to that O.T. monster. Whether or not the small details of their theology are true, their basic premise makes perfect sense, and enables a Christian to remain Christian, and retain faith in God, after overcoming the brainwashing they received as children.

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Great interview! Thank you

Read Luke 11, 52 and try to see what gnosis means in that context, all the rest is ignorance, especially what theologians do say about it since that sentence was expressed... blind leading blind... who said it first?

My life has been all about GNAWING AT GNOSIS (copyright, haha) 😅

Very interesting concepts, a lot going on, really good for opening up our thinking to the many ways people were thinking after Jesus, intertwined with Roman occupation and the feeling that someone / religion had to have all the answers, instead of learning from one another.

I love the idea that the portrayal of someone who lives to be 900 years is a cryptic way of describing someone who is close to God and thus immortal. Anyway, that’s my take on what was shared.

1. The interrupted ascension idea reminds me of when Mary saw Jesus outside of the tomb and told her not to touch him bcs he had not yet ascended. Could the unbelieving thought or the thought with limited understanding (simply bcs not experiencing the same thing) cast a shadow on the ascending experience if given a chance to influence the thought of them who are ascending? I know that I choose not to be around folks that have negative approach to life bcs I don’t want their dark thoughts to influence my own. Or we want our kids to interact those who would be a good influence on them when they are just starting out to form their own judgments of the world. 2. As far as the strangeness goes of this experience of going back and forth to heaven, could it not be showing the influence of Greek thought with immortal gods that turn into men when on earth? I’m not versed in Greek mythology, but this is the impression that I have. 3. The idea of a parody makes perfect sense to me thanks to your explanation of why it would be a useful tool in the competition between different interpreting groups. It makes sense that there would have been conflicting views about Jesus, given that we all bring our own sensibilities to the table on such things. Great talk. Thank you!

i pray that we find an undamaged gospel of mary soon, and i can read and understand the wisdom. it is truly upsetting her writings are lost. afterall, she was close to jesus.

Thank you for this video. What a remarkable guest. For the first time it actually made sense to me what Jesus meant when He said He would make Mary a man. This channel needs more views.

You teach heretical Apocryphal works as if they are gospel! Your website and yoru channel teach the gospel of thomas which was proven heretical many times yet you stand on it! Let all know who have the eyes to see.

Early Christian? I dont know about that. Unless you mean that it is related to the Christos Aeon. Other than that, I dont see any connection between this text and the Christian Church. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that the reason it was hidden away for so long is because the Christians of the time would have burned the writer alive for creating this. I dont mean to bash on anybodys beliefs nor their faith. I just keep looking at Christianity through all times other than the life of Jesus Christ. When I take this approach, I only seem to see despicable acts of evil carried out in the name of a rabid, selfish, and petty "god." Not to mention the basis of the religion is that one must give up any and all agency and responsibility for one's life if one is to be "saved." So if we are all giving up our authority, then which individuals exist that actually are able to know that they have chosen this religion on their own account rather than because it is what they have been told they must do..kinda takes any magic out of the could-have-been religion that was created based on a truly inspiring force such as the son of man. I think you are all good people, though. I love individuals, but I do not love institutions or crowds so much.

Chesterton writes, "Christianity is the only frame for pagan freedom," because guilt is what allows us to truly enjoy pagan pleasures. Augustine knows this better than anyone!

Top-quality guests on this channel!

James is one of my fav scholars really looking forward to this book!

Marvelous as always w/Dr. McGrath, looking forward to both books!

Amazing scholarship of both! Thanks for sharing this interview!

My questions are were there any references to this work in the surviving church father writings. Any evidence of it being used by churches? Was it debated during the counsels that determined the cannon. If not then can it be considered a church document? What do you mean by authentic? The Bible is the church’s book and if it wasn’t used by the church then it isn’t authentic in that way, although it may be an interesting curio. Also the timing is important, usually gnostic texts were written later although there are some that may have been written earlier like the gospel of Thomas (which includes some troubling writings about women that those who don’t accept the received cannon have fun wrestling with [quite humorous]. I am very interested in the writings that influenced scripture which includes pagan poets, philosophy, and the general culture of the Mediterranean. But often scholars like these over play the significance. Of course the most important influence on the Bible is the general Jewish culture that the NT was born from. The good old second temple Judaism.

It's a forgery.

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Absolutely beautiful and true. It's the real path toward world love, peace and justice for ALL!!

Yes they were. at least that is what they claimed. Important point is that there were many versions of Christianity. There were never one pure form. This is totally unrealistic, unreal and non historical.

Thank you Ladies. G-D Bless.

Thank you very much.

This podcast illustrates -- for me -- yet again that one of the best attributes for a scholar of Christianity is to be open-minded, as well as discerning and humble . . . .

I agree this text was spiralled down by someone who wanted to claim the scripture as her own. She is lacking the wisdom and desires the strength and this too is in error.

She is wisdom our Mother and where you have Father and Son you have Mother and Daughter. Where the Father and Son are one and the same so too the Mother and Daughter though the Mother and Daughter know they have come forth from the Father and Son who is the true light while the divine light gave life to His wisdom who separated from Him in order to bring forth the universe we are in. Why? For the purpose of the divine light (son, brother, bridegroom) to unite with his wisdom who is she, the body of his light (daughter, sister, bride). In order to understand the truth you have to ask for the truth and there is only one whom you should ask, though there are many in the world who say they know, rather the truth is, they only believe and in the one who is the truth that one who asks for the truth goes from believing to knowing and is set free. Hear me.

I am a mute for my words are heard from within in roughness I do rebuke.