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Ueda Sōko's Life Legacy & Tea Way, 9th Ocha Zanmai Conference
Adam Sōmu Wojciński's Lecture at the 9th Ocha Zanmai Conference
Presented at San Francisco State University, July 2023.
📚 Learn more: mll.sfsu.edu/wojcinski-adam-somu
This lecture was shared with Adam's Patrons in 2023. Support his work exploring the history and culture of chanoyu, with a focus on warrior-class tea: www.patreon.com/adamsomu
"Ueda Soko's Life, Legacy, and Tea Way"
「上田宗箇の生涯、茶の精神と現代性」
presented by Adam Sōmu Wojciński
ABSTRACT
The Ueda Sōko Ryū is a Japanese tea ceremony school that combines martial principles and a commitment to peace. This lecture examines the aesthetic sense and philosophical foundations of samurai Ueda Sōko's (1563-1650) way of tea, which originated during the Momoyama period (1568-1600), the final phase of Japan's warring states period. After studying under both Sen Rikyū (1522-1591) and Furuta Oribe (1544-1615), Sōko developed his own unique style of tea after relocating to Hiroshima following the Siege of Osaka (1615). The Ueda school has continued its tradition of chanoyu in Hiroshima ever since and narrowly escaped extinction in the A-bombing of Hiroshima. A central focus of this lecture will be exploring how a martial tea school reinterprets its legacy for peace in an era where nuclear warfare, though untenable, ominously persists.
The Ueda school is renowned as an exemplary warrior-class chanoyu school. It has a rich history of creating "oniwayaki" ceramic tea utensils that embody the life-and-death reality of the samurai. The Ueda Ryū is widely recognised in the tea community for its exceptionally beautiful tea preparation techniques (temae). Adam’s presentation includes demonstrations of the procedures for preparing both thick tea (koicha) and thin tea (usucha) in the Ueda style recorded at the home of the Ueda Ryū, Wafūdō.
In this lecture, Adam will present the idea that the Ueda Sōko Ryū tea ceremony school, which values personal excellence in a constantly changing world, helps students develop a deep understanding of themselves and the world. This understanding transforms individuals into peace promoters in both their personal lives and the wider human experience.
上田宗箇流は、武道精神と平和への誓いを融合させた日本の茶道流派です。この講演では、戦国時代末期の桃山時代(1568-1600年)を生きた武将、上田宗箇(1563-1650年)の茶の湯に対する美意識と哲学の根底にあるものについてを考察します。
千利休(1522-1591)と古田織部(1544-1615)に師事した宗箇は、大坂の陣(1615年)の後広島に移り、独自の茶の湯を確立します。それ以来、上田流は広島で茶の湯の伝統を守り続け、原爆投下による絶滅をも間一髪で免れました。本講演は、決して起こってはならない核戦争が身近に迫るこの時代に、武道茶道がどのように平和のためにその遺産を解釈しているのかに焦点を当てます。
模範的な武家茶道の流派として名高い上田流は、生死と隣り合わせだった武士たちの現実を実感させる「お庭焼き」という陶器製の茶道具など、豊かな歴史を持ちます。また際立って美しい特徴的な点前も茶道界では広く知られています。本講演には、家元和風堂で収録した上田流の濃茶および薄茶点前のデモンストレーションが含まれています。
絶え間なく変化するこの世界で、自己研鑽に重きを置き、門弟各々の自己と世界に対する深い透察の発展を促し支援する、上田宗箇流茶道の理念。そこで得た物事への深い理解により、各個人の人生、さらに人類としての経験、これら両方における平和の推進者が育っていきます。
Presented at San Francisco State University, July 2023.
📚 Learn more: mll.sfsu.edu/wojcinski-adam-somu
This lecture was shared with Adam's Patrons in 2023. Support his work exploring the history and culture of chanoyu, with a focus on warrior-class tea: www.patreon.com/adamsomu
"Ueda Soko's Life, Legacy, and Tea Way"
「上田宗箇の生涯、茶の精神と現代性」
presented by Adam Sōmu Wojciński
ABSTRACT
The Ueda Sōko Ryū is a Japanese tea ceremony school that combines martial principles and a commitment to peace. This lecture examines the aesthetic sense and philosophical foundations of samurai Ueda Sōko's (1563-1650) way of tea, which originated during the Momoyama period (1568-1600), the final phase of Japan's warring states period. After studying under both Sen Rikyū (1522-1591) and Furuta Oribe (1544-1615), Sōko developed his own unique style of tea after relocating to Hiroshima following the Siege of Osaka (1615). The Ueda school has continued its tradition of chanoyu in Hiroshima ever since and narrowly escaped extinction in the A-bombing of Hiroshima. A central focus of this lecture will be exploring how a martial tea school reinterprets its legacy for peace in an era where nuclear warfare, though untenable, ominously persists.
The Ueda school is renowned as an exemplary warrior-class chanoyu school. It has a rich history of creating "oniwayaki" ceramic tea utensils that embody the life-and-death reality of the samurai. The Ueda Ryū is widely recognised in the tea community for its exceptionally beautiful tea preparation techniques (temae). Adam’s presentation includes demonstrations of the procedures for preparing both thick tea (koicha) and thin tea (usucha) in the Ueda style recorded at the home of the Ueda Ryū, Wafūdō.
In this lecture, Adam will present the idea that the Ueda Sōko Ryū tea ceremony school, which values personal excellence in a constantly changing world, helps students develop a deep understanding of themselves and the world. This understanding transforms individuals into peace promoters in both their personal lives and the wider human experience.
上田宗箇流は、武道精神と平和への誓いを融合させた日本の茶道流派です。この講演では、戦国時代末期の桃山時代(1568-1600年)を生きた武将、上田宗箇(1563-1650年)の茶の湯に対する美意識と哲学の根底にあるものについてを考察します。
千利休(1522-1591)と古田織部(1544-1615)に師事した宗箇は、大坂の陣(1615年)の後広島に移り、独自の茶の湯を確立します。それ以来、上田流は広島で茶の湯の伝統を守り続け、原爆投下による絶滅をも間一髪で免れました。本講演は、決して起こってはならない核戦争が身近に迫るこの時代に、武道茶道がどのように平和のためにその遺産を解釈しているのかに焦点を当てます。
模範的な武家茶道の流派として名高い上田流は、生死と隣り合わせだった武士たちの現実を実感させる「お庭焼き」という陶器製の茶道具など、豊かな歴史を持ちます。また際立って美しい特徴的な点前も茶道界では広く知られています。本講演には、家元和風堂で収録した上田流の濃茶および薄茶点前のデモンストレーションが含まれています。
絶え間なく変化するこの世界で、自己研鑽に重きを置き、門弟各々の自己と世界に対する深い透察の発展を促し支援する、上田宗箇流茶道の理念。そこで得た物事への深い理解により、各個人の人生、さらに人類としての経験、これら両方における平和の推進者が育っていきます。
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Beautiful and fascinating talk. My only critique is of the idea that the atom bomb means you can't wage war for peace any longer... thousands upon thousands are doing this at this very moment: in Ukraine, in Syria, in the Levant, and elsewhere. I understand your point that warrior tea can and must transcend its strictly-warrior roots; nevertheless, the atom bomb has, unfortunately, not obviated the need for warriors in this world.
Thanks for your kind words and thoughtful critique. You’re spot on that the atomic bomb hasn’t ended the need for warriors, as countless individuals still fight valiantly in conflicts around the world. I could have framed this part of presentation with greater nuance. Thanks heaps for bringing this into focus. Right now conflict edges towards nuclear catastrophe, making it imperative to reimagine warriorhood as a force for peace. Outside of armed forces, people like me who practice chanoyu might channel the courage and discipline of warriors into engaged citizenship-urging leaders to “enter the tearoom” and seek common ground. This vision would include advocating for open dialogue, challenging censorship, and exposing propaganda. While it may be naive to think we can fully eradicate these issues, directing our collective energy toward such a vision is essential. Exploring what it means to be warriors in our interconnected, precarious world is vital and timely, and an endeavor my own tea practice is dedicated towards. Thanks again.
I agree; we live in very dangerous times. And it strikes me that Tea, as an aesthetic practice, is (relatively) ideologically neutral, and therefore may be uniquely well-suited to being that common ground. I am very new to tea and had only thought of it in a small, personal context - thank you for showing me the bigger picture.
40:40 This red raku tea bowl make me think of IAM "L'école du micro d'argent" album cover. I see horses and banners on the crest with spears and swords in the red sunset. Satemo !
Well that's a point of view. Marseille trop puissant 💪
Magical
Thank you for your extensive take on different tea cultures/practices. I think though that the Chinese Cha Yi and the Japanese Senchado would be better suited for a direct comparison, since Gongfu cha, as you rightly pointed out, is exclusively aiming at maximising the enjoyment of tasting the tea, whereas Chanoyu is about creating an aesthetic ambience („gesamtkunstwerk“). Also, Gongfu uses leaf tea, whereas Chanoyu uses pulverised tea, whereas Cha Yi and Senchado both use leaf tea. I have watched both ceremonies back to back, and the similarities were really striking, and they made me wonder what the drinking of pulverised tea in the Song dynasty era must have been like.
I like your video.I learn Ueda Soko Ryu in New York and your video helps me better understanding. Thank you.
Thank you Adam-san. You helped me a lot!
Well we need to talk about this.
First time seeing Ueda ryoko style. Your otemae is absolutely beautiful! I’m doing omote senke style but have learnt a lot. Thank you! Really appreciated your video. Again, beautiful!
Merci pour ce formidable podcast ! Peut être aurons nous l'occasion de nous rencontrer dans Moku-an ? Ou dans mon modeste pavillon... Invitation lancée ! :)
Amazing 🤩
Very important talk here and at the same time, opening up to many more interesting topics to discuss in the future. I like the example of learning a language and adding another language when you are comfortable with the previous one. One thing I wanted to add is that, by learning a new language I actually also deepened the understanding of my own mother tongue, say the grammar or the speech patterns. And I think the same on tea. When you learn someone's perspective you might be surprised to appreciate even more what you have already learned.
That's an amazing video Adam. The timing was to perfection. Thank you 🙏
nice contraband Fukusa :)
Unsee what you have seen.
This gold Adam, thank you so much!
Thought of you when I was preparing the show notes ✌️
I am happy, thank you!
Dear Adam, thank you for this topic, which involves everyone of us and helps to clarify some experiences too. I love it! :)
One of the last times I saw my late grandmother, I prepared tea for her. She told me: “interesting, your father used to enjoy collecting tea tools too.” And I remembered my father always drank mostly black tea with milk. Now I am wondering where are those tea sets… 😅
I loved the part about not influencing the guests into our own biases and ideals. I think because Chanoyu is Japanese, and many people in the west love to pump meanings and symbolisms into Japanese culture and make it "orientally exotic", people also come with an expectation that you are going to give them a transcendental culture shot through the heart. I like to perform tea in a way that avoids many of these expectations and when people come into the realization that after the performance they have had some minutes of peace and inner thought by themselves, I think I achieve the harmony that I would like to cultivate. I love your podcasts! Thank you for all the insight!
'Shot through the heart, and you're to blame, you give tea, a bad name." There's a slippery and important podcast topic in this. Thanks heaps, Nichole.
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@ it is quite slippery. In Latin America there is a resurgence of popularity of Japanese culture and many people are hopping back into the "exotic japan" aesthetic and ideals. I get called to perform "invented tea ceremonies" and people expect me to make somersaults and dance around their bagged tea jajaja. There´s also groups of people who enlarge whatever symbolism exists in whatever cultural activity they participate in (martial arts for example) and make it a whole nansansu-bushido kind of thing jajaj. I would love to discuss this topic further with you.
@@nicholefiorentinoBeauty and truth aren't bound by borders or ownership. Cultures (including you and me) holding onto their traditions should open their arms to those who resonate with their practices. On the flip side, "outsiders" need to approach these practices with care, avoiding hasty judgments. Somewhere in this delicate dance, we might see a pathway to deeper mutual understanding, lifting each other up along the way. This relates to the principle of "No Borders" i.e. I welcome everybody, but my door is not always open.
Thank you, I enjoyed the cross-readings very much.
This tea was delicious to watch :)
Always a pleasure to bust out some cha. Even greater when it’s well-received!
初めて拝見させていただきました。大変美しい所作とお点前ですね☺️勉強不足の為どちらの流派かお教えいただければ幸いです。上からの画像はとても参考になります❤
Thanks for this series of delights
Tea doesn't need wokeness.
The aesthetic content of this episode leads us to very down to earth ethics. Thanks for teachings
Amazingly deep connection between the pieces of art and the making of tea - documented vividly in this well balanced video flow 🙏
thank you, adam, this is of utmost importance for all lovers of asian tea: recognizing our roots and learning from each other, getting inspired, giving and taking. just three additional remarks about (or: in defense of?) chinese dao-tea: 1. there is this daoist topos of simplicity of teaching combined with the daoist scepticism about any kind of knowledge in general. that often leads to sentences like „what do i have to teach you? just make tea“. unfortunately this obfuscates a bit the complexity of chinese tea. the longer i observe, the more i am convinced this intentional: the fineness of chinese is hidden behind a seemingly simple and informal procedure. and it is often overlooked. 2. what is this fineness about? and what are the qualities of chinese tea practice?: elegance which shows itself in the harmony of chosen tea(s), objects and efficient yet simple movements, avoiding the unnecessary, preserving a rhythm which doesn’t get in the way with the needs of the tea. handling teaware safely in (in comparison to japanese tea) unstandardized situations. fineness shows itself in friendly humility, which shows itself in anticipating the needs of the tea and (in a confucian sense) in recognizing the physical, intellectual and emotional needs of the guest(s). and last but not least: the fineness is also the concrete knowledge which is seemingly dreaded so much by the daoists :-) 3. what is this knowledge about? since there is no ‚magical formula‘ with the leaf tea in its thousands of non-standardized and ever changing forms, one needs to know (and feel) by experience, what tea in what state functions how, needs what kind of water, what dosage, how much of breaking leaves or potential re-roasting, the exact way, speed, place, angle and pressure of pouring water in/out, materials of (zisha) pots, cups, kettles. one needs to know how to react, when problems occur in a brew: what needs to be changed for the next brew in order to fix the problem? since excellent chinese teas are difficult to find, one needs to know where and how to ‚hunt‘, how to discern clean from unclean, excellent from mediocre teas, how to store and possibly age them. what to choose in what situation… and finally: when to stop making infusions … and writing comments…. :-) again, thank you adam for your beautiful thoughts. and for educating simple tea-peasants like myself about the beauties of chanoyu. (p.s. and yes: plastic bottles should at least remain hidden under the table, and phones, cigarette packages(!), keys, wallets and other clutter should be 100% banned from chinese tea tables forever… couldn’t agree more..... (here my japanese tea past might be talking though…lol))
Dear Adam, i love andi resonates with it. Thanks a lot.
Thanks for this terrific piece. Oddly, I found myself thinking about the crossovers between fashion / attire and tea. For instance, that garments embody an art that can’t really live in the walls of a gallery, but can only reach its fulfilment in the world, in use. So too, I gather, with tea, and the tea space. Thank you for including the Kant and Dewy links. Look forward to checking them out. Osu!
Dewey would def agree with you! But there is also something to say about the abstracted aesthetic enjoyment of a kimono and tea pieces outside their ‘lived’ context. Like we do for Roman or Greek ruins or samurai armour. Such encounters are like an invitation to follow one’s curiosity and learn other ideas and culture. Don’t get me wrong, though, I’m all for making the gap between art and everyday life MUCH more blurry!
Becoming a curiosity driver is a pleasing way of looking at things. Maybe becoming a preserved, conserved object is just the season for that object, be it ruin, tea bowl or gown. Perhaps the context given by other curated objects is all that is needed for this moment, and I should move past my feelings of sadness when I see a gallery of stiffly mannequined garments. To think a piece about tea people could improve my gallery attending experience! And yes to more blurring of art and the everyday
This is interesting, a marihuana based company who makes medical marihuana teas and food contacted me to perform tea ceremony with their tea (infusion type) and I had some philosophical internal debates about it. I know I want to share the spirit of tea, but changing the whole thing sounded a bit odd for me. Even though the people who recieved it would have liked the event, I feel it would have been quite nanchatte in spirit as so many things would have to change in order to accommodate the infusion.
Sounds like a good call. If the tea was an infusion and not powdered, there would have to be a hybrid Senchadō world created and they may as well get someone who does Sencha or gongfu for the gig.
Fresh. Visionary. Yes!
Fascinating and visionary view on the past and future of tea and fashion - and what these examples can mean for the future of a globalised world 🙏
Very beautiful, dear Adam, thank you. Greetings from Berlin, Katja
Fantastic setting and an incredible pattern of smoke moving around like chi, e.g. between 4:00 and 6:00. Awesome!
"If people don't stop me from calling it that" lol We are the shape of our lost fights.
Always enjoyable and inspirational, Adam. The best wishes form Barcelona. :)
Thank you very much!
Thank you for uploading this video! I'm a biginner of Ueda Soko Ryu. Your video helps me a lot!
Adam, i love it! Thank you for sharing!
Uhhhhh....
May all meaning materialise through practice. Love ya
Thank you!
Very nice, thank you for sharing. And also a good otemae to watch today, May 5th Boy’s day
Greetings from Urasenke Brasil
I like the scroll and loved the wabi spirit of the tea!
Thank you for sharing. I love how you combine tradition with contemporary modern world, like a breath of fresh air, always very inspiring. Just a quick question, do you know what the wooden base is called that the Chasen and Chaire stand on?
Thanks, Sternen! The wooden base comes with this style of tea box (chabako). I call it a ‘chasen-dateh’ 茶筌立 or “chasen stand”. For doing tea outdoors, I also use a sawn-off metal doorstop to keep the chasen from blowing over.
@ Thank you! I was not attentiv enough and my chabako came without chasen-dateh :-(. I hope knowing the name now, will make it a little bit easier for me to find one to buy separately.
thank you Sensei
Very much enjoyed watching this!!
They’re great fun to make, too! Nice to know the vids are hitting home.
Very inspiring! I just love how you expand boundaries and find new paths and ways. Love the idea of interacting together. Un gran trabajo! Muchos saludos a Buenos Aires
Very nice! Thank me later -> P R O M O S M!!
thanks
thanks
like a dance! very sophisticated... thanks for sharing