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@@Kimonia6 for specifically 5 turns? Yeah. If you just want to beat it? No.

@bothdoorscares3878 WDYM???

@@Kimonia6 you need to do roughly 3K damage and let an entire turn rotation happen so you can hit Surt with King and I. You'll just do around 5.5-6K damage with King and I without Magic Mastery. Assuming Concentrate, Tarukaja and Rakunda on. It should be the same moves wise afterwards.

@@bothdoorscares3878 Can Magic Mastery be replaced with say, Magic Ability? Would that improve some of the odds? At least in terms of what I am saying thus far

@@Kimonia6 I do have Magic Ability in mind. The sword I'm using has it. And it'll just do 5.5-6K damage without Mastery from what I calculated. She doesn't really hit that hard, it'll work well. More than likely, you'll be rarely hit if you follow the equipment loadout I have.

@@TheWagn156 Define "enjoyable". Because you're going to just beat him within 1 set of turns in Hard Mode if you want a consistent strategy there. With criticals, you can just walk in with auto-charge and obliterate the guy (you go first) without him making a move. But you will still need St/Ma grinding on you and the members. Criticals allow you to skip engaging with the fight in general. It's really a grindy fight either way if going for consistency. The setup I do have here is consistent in beating the fight in Heartless if I wasn't aiming for 4 turns.

I'm just going to assume you're asking what Arahabaki does. Whatever effect is active on Arahabaki will be transferred to a demon the player switches in while he's in the party. This loop ensures that we can stack multiple Magatsuhi effects into Arahabaki. It is important that Arahabaki never leaves the party for this reason, the effects stacked on him will disappear. And the loop will stop, since Arahabaki will not transfer Strategize (And all the other effects) anymore. The demons being sacrificed constantly are there to build the Magatsuhi Gauge.

@@bothdoorscares3878 EXELLENT THANK je jeux souffre de bad traduction on ne peut comprendre cela en fr

Yeah, Nahobino’s going to make The Demi-Fiend in DDS look like a joke

The first mistake of a megaten protagonist being a boss fight is he isn't controlled by me.

I'm so cooked dude I saw the 💢 and thought "bratty fiend needs correction 💢💢💢💢"

@@fishbones8698 im obliged to type this, pls dont hunt me "CNNUY FIEND 😭😭😭😭"

smt 3 staff roll

@@uiuiui212 thanks a lot :)

@@ivanbtj Potential's effect, for some reason, is not tied to the Omagatoki status itself. The Omagatoki: Potential effect is literally just a symbol, the skill itself is what raises the Potential values, and this is why OmaPotential's effect cant be passed on via Arahabaki's passive.

@@ivanbtj As the person above mentions, its the only Omagatoki effect (that we know of at the moment) that only does its effect on its activation. Arahabaki passing it on by switching in and out wouldn't give the actual effect, although you'll see Potential in the list of activated skills for the demon that's just switched in and out.

Whys it not possible vs Masa?

​@@BlazingDiancieu cant get 8 press turns and abuse virus carrier magatsuhi farm on masakado

@@kaiserkreuz2110 well maybe if his skills aren't actual hax, it'd be a fairer fight. I get the idea of those skills in his base and godborn version, but on 999 EVT, the devs have completely lost me.

@@bothdoorscares3878 ikr! It's still exploitable, but it's a huge damage check and a test of patience more than a battle in itself, which is a sign of bad design.

i'd cry trying to do smth like this

also did you have estoma field up at the start because you misinputted trying to menu

@@lilliegant73 that's just attract pipe. Estoma Field's blue.

@@bothdoorscares3878 ohhh i see

i should use attract pipe more

It's about how you use it, not its size.

@bothdoorscares3878 i never once mentioned the size tho

@@markkimuszer0 I was just trying to not use theurgia as much as I could at the start then I just gave up. This is one of the most unoptimized gameplay you'd see me doing.

@@lucashuidobro5718 It would work, just that it'd be a bit harder and longer since Kaiwan is after killing 4 summoned demons. In practice though, an 8 press turn (7 full, 1 half) under 2 sets of turns kill is likely possible nowadays with the current knowledge and that'd be more consistent and easier to retry for. I guess I can show it at a later date.

@@SaShA6572 oh no, I am 100% sure it's impossible there.

@@PikangsFutaba By all accounts, the 8 press turns is more than enough to kill in this. It's honestly more of a hilarious party trick, more than anything else. Although when you combine it with using the most LL demons possible is when it turns into a genuine necessity.

@@bct2308 Master of Tartarus for the Monad bosses. Last Surprise for Joker if on Hard and Below. In Heartless, it would be Take Over.

@@bothdoorscares3878I knew about Joker. I just haven’t seen anyone record the bosses leading up to it so I didn’t know. I mean, it makes sense. It is Joker Persona 5 after all. But… yeah.

@@bct2308 the smelliest (worst) atlus superboss of all time.

@@bothdoorscares3878overrated af

@@sutora9309 from what I'm seeing on my end, Dagda's just 2 bucks or so when converted.

​@@bothdoorscares3878 I wish I had prices like you bro

@@gren_3352 I might be cheating a bit. I believe Reload only costed a bit under 60 bucks here on release. I'm not sure why the more recent games from ATLUS are cheaper than normal. I'll take it though.

@@bct2308 AoE Debilitate.

@ figured. Needed to make sure though. Thanks.

DemiFiend didnt know what handtraps were

@@gren_3352 Former is because doing so increases Magatsuhi by 1% (when reviving Gabriel specifically). That's due to the Archangel's Innate Passive ([1% x number of Archangel] Magatsuhi gauge buildup for every actions done by user.) Latter, it doesn't matter who does it at that point because the bar is 100% already. But it is faster menuing wise if only the MC and Arahabaki's left.

​@@bothdoorscares3878 thank you for answering, that makes a lot of sense

In theory, it always was. Just that in practice, it's practically impossible. At best in the Original, we can stack two at best and it'd only be Critical + (anything). But they really released the floodgates here in Vengeance, even with the magatsuhi building nerfs of sacrifices. It's quite impressive.

@@bothdoorscares3878can you share timestamp to where you show this? I still don’t get it but don’t have time to go through this long video 😢

@@Pikachu-qr4yb what do you mean? Like, when I get multiple effects? The loop for that is approximately 15-20 minutes of the start and I just kept looping until I got 16 effects at once. The setup's been significantly improved, however. So this video's technically outdated.

@@bothdoorscares3878 can the same omagatoki stacks or nah?

@@renhardhalim you'd just waste the gauge. You can technically cast it, but without any effect. Even in the list of active buffs, it won"t do anything.

@@fightersaxphone3032 Eh? Why ask in one of my persona videos? And I've just been informed of it on Discord since we've been brainstorming how to get 8 press turns for Satan at the time. Then I went to sleep and woke up to him planning everything out for Satan specifically. It's quite simple, but there's the condition of needing someone that can cast debuffs on enemy side and something to hit Nuwa twice with. And it slightly changes for every target you're doing it with. I've already routed how to do it for Demifiend. At the moment, that's the only ones where a method for 8 full press turns is fully known.

@@bothdoorscares3878 Oh, ok, thanks for the explain. It seems there is bug in my youtube, i thought i was comment in your satan infinite loop video

@@bothdoorscares3878 And I already know we can get 8 press turn in Demifiend and Satan fights, and most of fights we can 7 icons. But I want to know is there any other way to get infinite loop strategy without enemy with repel. I seen a strategy against masakado that is Virus Carrier demon use muscle drink on other demons, then the demon got panic will attack teammate. And with repel Phys they will get themselves killed, and you get a bunch of magatsuhi bars. But it really rely on RNGs.

@@fightersaxphone3032 that won't be infinite. You can pop Dana's Wisdom on it once though and it can get to a kill (On Godborn if you're up for the incenses needed). But I believe the attempt done on video there involved changing the rates of how much Taboo increases ailment rates and the rates of phys skills with ailments. So it *is* possible, just extremely improbable that no one wants to actually do it. If you ask me, it's simply impossible to get infinite turns if there isn't a way for sacrifices to be easily accessible. Or even worse is when you can't even get debuffed or have skills that hit Nuwa into a resist.

@@SnailBot hmmmmm that's actually nice to put it into perspective. Around 6-8 mins per loop doesn't sound that bad overall.

@bothdoorscares3878 yeah, what bad is you can't auto pilot this loop.

@@SnailBot you need approximately a bit over 2 hours at worst for some 16 effects. Yeah that's uh, not great... But it's really just for flexing at that point. The only thing that legitimately need that kind of firepower are low level demons. And that'd need Huang Long's effect being farmed for more than quadruple the time setting up. It's insane. I guess I'll look into something that could use this loop in a more creative way. I just need to confirm one thing for it, thinking of it.

I use my credit card to summon a guy with mommy issues. This allows me to have infinite press turns. I will never end my turn.

@@bothdoorscares3878 the legends says he still beefing with his mother, so thanks to that we got this video