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It might not have registered on your attention but the West is importing people at record levels. Whatever your perspective on that it's not an option China can easily adopt.

@@mickmegson6241 That was my point, we are all in a difficult situation. Have children and we are told the planet dies, don't have children how do we afford all the old people once they retire. Dependence ratios are getting very hard to sustain. We are importing the wealthy young from the less developed countries, I taught International Students at University for twenty years, they were first mainly Chinese and later mainly first caste Indians. Nearly all want to stay in first the UK and then Australia, where I emigrated. Since the times of Julius Caesar it has been seen that once a society becomes wealthy the birth rate falls below the 2.1 average to replicate itself (but China speeded this up with the one child policy in the Cities). The society then has two choices age and die slowly (south Korea at 0.85 births per woman, is in danger of this) or import people. Globally, men and women are having less children. Especially, educated women (but also educated men want less children). My daughters situation, she is typical the world over in her situation of dual careers. A more blue collar couple may want more children, but increasingly this is unaffordable. My son again typical the world over. Mick the problem is global. I have an Economics/Sociology degree and Masters in Economics and I am now over 60, when I said 30 years ago having one child will cause an unsustainable dependency ratio it was seen in a very bad light. Chaining women to the kitchen sink, killing the planet and so on, in the 1990's we heard working to 70 and having kids in our 30's as the new normal.. few have a second child when they start at 36 or 38. China (and the ageing parts of the world) now have few options, most likely massive mechanisation to replace all the labour we can. Medical advanced to reduce the cost of ageing.. There are very few viable options at the moment, South Korea and Japan may be a road map for China?

@@stuart9162 I don't have your education to enable me to make a sophisticated analysis but a much simpler perspective. Taking care of the elderly was in the past a low priority for civilisation for two simple reasons, there was much lower longevity hence fewer elderly and people expected their own children to take care of them. Now this a responsibility that is expected to be outsourced, as is childcare, so that the people can pursue a career. Who benefits from such a societal shift I wonder? I feel sorry for both of your children, your son because of the economic squeeze he will inevitably feel, and especially your daughter who faces a bleak future. A career, no matter how satisfying or rewarding, doesn't love you back, and it can be a long time alone between retirement and the grave.

@@mickmegson6241 Thanks, but I am not sure I see the point of that. I never said anything about not wanting to look after elderly or child care, these are societal changes that are beyond our control. Few of us have the perfect three or is it four children, a marriage made in heaven and parents cared for until they die in the family home. Children raised with a mother who does not work all provided for by a husband who works no more than 40 hours a week and is home on evenings and weekends. You obviously do, good on you. I don't.

@@stuart9162 my point is that in the name of progress, or liberation, or emancipation or whatever western society and it's emulators have sown the seeds of it's own destruction. The "societal changes" you mention have had the unintentional result, I hope, of accelerating the decline of the society they sought to improve.

What does this collapse look like currently? and how long will they have to endure it?

You can't just remove birtj controls. People will find ways around it

@@zebrafinch12 I know. But ccp has the power to make it very difficult to have access to those ways and ccp can punish people for using those birth control measures. Having Kids is not a problem for vast majority of people. Real problem is raising them in such a environment where raising one baby is becoming very difficult despite two-thirds working parents. These days, parents want best for their Child and it costs. If ccp can provide financial help to parents, then parents would have no problem in raising three Kids.

I was equally bamboozled.

you are not alone.

1000x this. We are done with this rigged game.

Problem is; global economy and its upper echelons are afraid this will affect global supply chains after their put all their eggs in the shenzhen and three-river baskets. If population declines in China and all these newly educated do not join the work-force, then we're going back to domestic production or possibly a complete decline or lack of certain products. No more spare parts, longer time between different generations of hardware, etc. These are the first-world problems. Other problems will be shrinking of the economy, poverty (possible going back to pre-deng xiaoping starvation and famine), even more kidnappings in urban areas by rurals (another major issue in the country). People who can will definitely try to leave in large numbers from China. There's really nothing we can do about that. What we should do is avoid getting caught in their sink-hole and bring back the stolen technology and start building domestically. Bring our jobs and products back, otherwise they'll be lost there in factories gathering dust. I hope this makes sense.