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I feel the same about SQ. not really a fan of most of her music but I can see some of it growing on me. I like Pink Bubblegum and that one is on my playlist. Haven’t listened to the new album yet. Will eventually since I probably will see her with Babymetal coming this November. But when I first started looking into her I did deeply admire what she was about and trying to do. I really enjoyed her interview with Nik Nocturnal.

"Pop Metal"???

I think Ke$ha is a good comparison, since she started off with a pop rap song. Also, exact same birthdays...

My issue with treating music like a religion is that it ignores what music is: art. You don't put rules on art, as long as you aren't breaking laws. Metal is one of the only genres where you still got bands from 30 years ago still making music, even sticking to their core sound and keeping an audience. Nobody can force change on any genre of music, only the fans accepting or rejecting the new or old.

Even though she calls it Bimbocore, I do think it leans into nu metal with rapping and electronics put together (note: rap metal isn't the same as nu metal, but often related; kinda like metalcore vs crossover, or deathgrind vs goregrind). If you like "making metal fun," then Scene Queen may fit. I think a similar band would also be Sumo Cyco, but without rapping.

The lyrics on 18+ have barely to do with the metal scene, culture, or fanbase. It's mostly the warped tour bands/scene culture about so many members in those bands were accused of having relation with minors in the late 2000s-2010s. To me that's just a heavier & scene version of 29 by Demi Lovato (with the lyrics talk about similar thing).

>Lorna Shore >female fronted Glad I'm not the only one who thinks the vocalist looks like a pooner ftm troon lmao

Scene queen seems like another In This Moment. I'm not a fan of her style because it's too sexual and the whole "bimbo" thing is very unnecessary. She comes off as a liberal feminist, i.e. not a real feminist and definitely a pickme.

Very useful video. Thanks.

No there should be different stuff even if I don't like it. But even so none of this is new even what Sleep Token is doing is basically what Issues did 10 years ago

As a trans fem, i get that she may not be for everyone, but fuck if she doesn't make me feel seen. Like she's obviously not going to appeal to the old heads, but does anything? Metal fans are the first to line up to eat their own, and I don't see this going any differently.

not someting I will listen too, but art has no limits and she can do what she wants and if others like it then so be it...

I am a scene queen STAN. I love her and what she stands for. I feel SOOO safe at her shows. I can’t read comments on anything anyone posts about her. I’ve never heard anyone’s music though and disliked it and then attacked them? You can dislike her music, but fuck why attack her??? Grow up. Pink push up bra and 18+ mean so much to me for reasons I don’t want to speak about, but if you know what they’re about you know. Thank you for this video. ❤

i don't think shes a idunstry plant, cause her music is too cringy

Scene Queen isn't for me and that's fine. Surely if a band or artist brings in new fans or helps expand horizons that's a good thing? Like nothing about Scene Queen stops you from enjoying other bands if her music isn't to your taste. I hate gate keeping. This is a really positive video and I had to give your channel a sub because of it

Angela Gossow never wore a skirt on stage or sang about sex and she broke more stereotypes in music, not just metal, than Her Highness Scene Queen could dream of. Oh, she's bisexual? Otep Shamaya is a lesbian and she didn't need to write about how she loves p-word; she wrote decent heartbreak songs like Ghostflowers. She sings about men being predators? The first metal song that spoke about sexual abuse was from Korn in 1994, and it's a about a female predator. Scene Queen is an industry plant who worships mainstream pop and rap. She attempts (but fails) to be ironic but doesn't realize that irony is all lost on her, because heavy music never needed pop or rap sensibilities, and heavy music is the genre of music where prominent female artists didn't need to act slutty or suggestive to be admired (you had to be good at what you're doing first), whereas in pop and rap, the genres she's trying hard to ride coattails of, that's the name of the game. This girl lashed on to a style of music where women are celebrated for their talent and decided to smear it all in pink guano. This is why we gategeek metal. So that іdiots won't come in here and start redecorating everything because it doesn't fit into their safespace.

People complaining about inclusivity boggles my mind. the metal / punk scene has pretty much always been the most inclusive and accepting group out there.

People (like you) that bash music that they don't like are the REAL problem. If you don't like it, don't listen to it...*sshole.

Seems pretty not for me, but I'm sure I listen to a lot of stuff certain metal fans would be angry about on the goth/symphonic side, it is fine for people to like things. Thanks for the info dump, probably would have never known this was even a thing otherwise.

Calling what Polyphia has become "metal" is certainly disingenuous...

The angry diatribe that the dude quotes in this as indictment of the gatekeeping in the scene received TWO LIKES in a matter of EIGHTEEN WEEKS. Dude went out of his way to find the most irrelevant possible person to reference. Can we please make a new rule where you can't use completely ignored and completely irrelevant content as examples of audience opinion? It would be a different story if this was a well-liked, commonly expressed opinion, but citing a comment with TWO LIKES over EIGHTEEN WEEKS is about as legitimate as citing the graffiti on a bathroom stall edit: for the record, I am a FAN of Scene Queen, so this isn't some angry response comment. I'm just calling out bad form where it exists.

Scene Queen is more cringe than she is awesome overall, but the "Twerkle pit, twerk in the circle pit!" bridge might be the best bridge in the past decade

Subbed for the Lorna Shore joke

I think that bolder genre hybrids like these are the healthiest, most exciting and best thing that have happened to the metal scene in a long, looong time. Metal with its various sub-genres used to be my main go-to music for most of my life, but its relative predictability and the widespread musically conservative mindset within the community pushed me away to explore other genres. And pop, much to my surprise at the time, has offered me some of the most mind-bending, deep, progressive, and experimental listening experiences I've ever had. It's a common misconception that pop music must be the antithesis of alternative music. It can be just as aggressive and noisy as metal, it can be just as challenging to get into for casual radio listeners and metalheads alike. The goal of pop music isn't always to be easily digestible, despite etymologically stemming from the term "popular". Look at artists like Björk, Caroline Polachek, Dorian Electra, Charli XCX, Jockstrap or Superorganism and pay attention to the intricacies of their music making. You might not find it all enjoyable at first, but it's hard to deny its artistic value in breaking new ground, if you're openminded enough to accept that it will confront you with musical and lyrical themes you haven't appreciated (yet). Musical preference is a matter of choice and challenging yourself with sufficient confrontation, I think. Now, there's NOTHING wrong with sticking with more traditional metal, but dang, does it feel great to enjoy whatever you can! Genre-bending artists like Poppy, Igorrr, öOoOoOoOoOo or Death Grips haven't taken away from my pleasure in listening metal- they've reawakened and added to it. And to answer the question if it all has gone too far, I can only say, keep going further. Its existence doesn't erase the music you already like. It only creates a new flavor that people can enjoy. If that's a problem for someone, that's on them. :3

This is so very unrelated to the topic of this video, but I notice a trend in the comments here. We have a lot to say, and we articulate ourselves very well. There are so many times in this current world with media consumption where everything needs to be said in a few words. Anything over a couple of words, reaction comments are "U rly think Im gona read this shhii." It really does disappoint me. And then you have people "liking" said comment. They can't be bothered to read any more than a few words, either. How is this acceptable? Thank you my metal brothers and sisters for reminding me that not everyone in this world has a very short attention span, they are willing to actively engage in a proper conversation, and not all is lost. Again, a very unrelated comment to this video, but thank you all for giving me some kind of hope that not everyone has given up with being able to actually talk/type/spell/read.

this band sounds like 2008 suburbia, not a bad fit

This new wave of whatever metal is clearly blasphemy

*has a flashback to 2001 and Andrew WK*

I just discovered them but I like it.

LGBTQ+ person here and I feel super empowered and seen by her music. Love what she's doing and appreciate the thoughtful analysis

Soggy knees!

Lorna Shore, my favourite Softcore Pop metal band. Kim Dracula goes pretty hard for a fusion of genres.

Stop being a hater for no reason

Ive went to Warped Tour as a Kid than had the Opportunity to get to play with a couple of my Friends bands and Punk hardcore Ska and other genre of Bands i played with and befriended. Never felt the Fight or Flight or was Triggered. I was playing in Duck N Cover the Ska Punk Band I sang my heart out and put everything into it was a great time. The only time an Alcohol did not help for other than guys flirting and girls that was about it Wait i almost did get in a Fight cause the singer of Paramore was being a rich snob spreading lies on social media about bands.

The music isn't my cup of tea so I have no interest in listening to it despite I listen to actual pop and metal music. The culmination of the two seems way too chaotic for me personally but ehhh each to their own

I don't want Cardi B and Nicki Minaj mixed in with my metal. I understand there's a market for it, and it's all in good fun, but it's not for me. That said, I love the Genitorturers so go figure.

I didn't even know there was a whole trending algorhythm of british dudes overanalyzing the music industry and pop culture, I thought Coolea was the only one

as a huge scene queen fan since her first EPs dropped, her concerts have been the safest ive felt at a show in ages. my first time crowdsurfing was to her & set it off and my first time moshing in the pit was with her & rivals. im incredibly grateful for what she's done for feminism in metal and disability advocacy in the music scene in general (she's very vocal about performing with POTs). "the pop bits are pop and the metal bits are metal" is definitely the best way to put it. honestly, thank you for making this video. even if it does end up more popular than others, you're bringing in a demographic that needs to hear these words coming from someone who looks like you.

The title had me thinking this would be a harsh criticism and I was wondering what I had done to my algorithm to put it on my feed, so I clicked to sort out my feed, and here I am a bit surprised but I appreciate your thoughts on the matter

Absolute garbage. Scene Queen ends up making Nickelback sound good by comparison.

I enjoy a few specific pop artists, which makes all of Scene Queen's songs bops to me. As a lesbian it's also very refreshing to hear a cishet metalhead dude be so chill about this all. Oh, and her music is very empowering in the way it uplifts female sapphic sexuality.

Scene Queen is such a presence onstage, and does everything for her fans. And the fact that she's chronically ill gives me hope for myself.

Nah I'll just stick to doom.

Isn't that her from The Boys?

It's not metal it's breakdowns it's suckt it's post hardcore pop not metal pop voices are not metal

Emo pop of emo music suckt it's kids music darkwave it's underground Meanstream een metal it's ook Meanstream emo it's alternatieve music alternatieve music suckt

These bands like bmth or elevtric callboy do attract a different crowd to the metal festivals though. More fratboys ironically and the like. (But so did numetal back in the day and those folks were a lot worse) Gatekeeping is bad Id agree but we dont need to stand for everything. Basically we need standards for behavior is what I am saying.

5:55-6:15--Yes, a lesson which can be generalised to many situations and everyone should have learned in kindergarten but which now seems completely lost on so many people....Kind of like their maturation stopped at...kindergarten age.

a good video!!! i may not like the title that feels like rage bait, (even though it was answered at the end), but I am glad to hear from people who like scene queen!! I also dislike MILF, I don't like country at all, but 18+ and pink cocaine are my favourite songs so far by her, and it speaks a lot to the style and stuff she's contributing to. Someone also mentioned Ennaria, I love her too. CORPSE as well. I like the artists that put a twist on their music, instead of necessarily one genre. I don't think I'll ever like completely metal music. But it's nice to enjoy sometimes. And I think it's nice. Does that make me a true metal-head, no, but like, it makes me able to diversify my taste, and I feel like that's a good thing.

Most all metal is good, though I admit I was never big on the nu metal thing back in the day but I'm not going to disparage it or any of the artists. Any metal is better than today's country music. And yet, back in the 80s some of the metal bands like Warrant and Roxx Gang out of Florida would incorporate some banjo and southern rock vibes in some of their songs. Heck, I've heard some southern rock bands that were as heavy as many of the metal acts around. It's all good. "To bring good where there once was evil, to bring love where there once was hate, to bring wisdom where there once was ignorance; this is the power of White Witch." Rock on!