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We shouldn't be reworking a system to build around Poeltl.

thanks scoot

the cba makes it difficult to do that.

@@BasketballRewind Remember LeBron, Wade and Bosh got around the rules at their time to get on Miami. We are thinking old heads. The right combination will form in the younger side and they will determine who sacrifices.

@@blaqhawk2k918 so several things had to come together at the time to make that happen. Guys who played in the same draft class... guys willing to take a little less. and a team willing to cobble together that much cap space. Teams build differently now. Will it happen? It could but not this specific year. That is likely to happen after the next CBA gets negotiated around 2027/2028. This is why I would keep an eye out on those in Barnes draft class who may be willing to take max money on less term to have more freedom. They could go from making 30-40 mill one year and then get a 10million bump... This year though is not likely. Again the CBA was negotiated in such a way to provide more obstacles against that and the current cap environment is weird. That said, is it plausible, yes. I wouldn't be hyper focused on that this year. The best way to build a super team right now is to go the way of OKC and then be willing to actually pay everyone.

many of these were filmed before so keep that in mind

but also literally the season for the raptors is all we can talk about until something new happens.

Who is dwelling on the past? People who ignore history make the same mistakes over & over again.

@@jameswelch1054 I know blackhawk and a few are fighting what they feel is "the good fight". To your point, we certainly are not dwelling. It is more trying to determine the correct path forward. However, there are some that feel like having concern is the same as dwelling on past mistakes. Also history is there to serve as something that you look to to not make repeated mistakes.

@@BasketballRewind I just get tired of blackhawk's negative remarks after ever show. It is one thing to express an opinion, but what he does is nag, by repeating the same thing "over & over" again. I am not sure if he is autistic, or maybe he is just remedial? However, most of us watch your show for its intelligence, and insight. I would be sad if you changed your show into a simpleton delusional show, and dumbed down, because some dude struggles to comprehend honesty, and basic words like "dwelling". I wonder how old that kid is, anyway? Maybe he just needs some adult supervision? I have never seen such a complainer on TH-cam before.

it would need to come with a pick. We are basically 1 year too soon on the wiggins type of move but yeah.... COJO is kind of on his way out btw. I do think Boucher is also likely going to be traded this year. I don't know if I like Edey at 19 but Ware and Jaylon is interesting.

@@BasketballRewind No, it wouldn't need to come with any picks especially if Bruce Brown is included in any potential trade for AW. The time is now. CoJo (33 years old) is a vet that can help mold IQ into a more complete pg plus he can still play back up pg minutes while being a roster vet. As well, he is 5 years younger than Garrett Temple.

@@IceManLikeGervin I have one simple question. are you only wanting cojo because he is Canadian?

@@BasketballRewind I concisely laid out why I would lean towards the Raptors potentially signing Cojo. If you read my above post then you would overstand why I named CoJo as a potential back up pg. Also, take a look at the 2024 free agent point guard class... Monte Morris and CoJo are the best of most attainable few for Toronto. All the best

@@IceManLikeGervin Just had to double check. Monte Morris is a very gettable name and he might end up being the one that is settled on.

Thank you as always!

I will do some digging on this.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but I remember when they changed the rule about 4 or 5 years ago. Teams used to be able to trade a non-guaranteed player before July 1, and the other team would have the option of waiving them for the following season - thereby instantly creating cap space or reducing their tax load. But too many teams took advantage of this, and the CBA was changed to make salary matching possible on a deal between teams only if all unguaranteed traded players were guaranteed for the following year. It may be hard to discern from the arcane language of the CBA, but I assure you it's there. And if Blake says it's there, then you can be damn sure it's there. Bottom line, before July 1 Brown can only be traded to a team over the cap for matching salaries AFTER his second year has been picked up by the Raptors.

I am sure he will be back at some point in the future

Comment of the year 😂

100% agree!!!! We need all new talent in here. It's going to suck for Scottie for a couple years but what has become evident are injuries are prevelant in NBA these days. We also need better depth for future trades.

Let's just become Detroit North, huh?

yup patience its ok. This would put us way way ahead

@@IceManLikeGervin I dont think the goal is to become detroit but instead you have a starting base with Barnes, and say Gradey. So you move and see what comes from that.

@@BasketballRewind Gradey is not a base with SB over IQ and RJ... It's the BBQ era and GD is just a side dish.

If I’m raptors if offering 40-45+ idgaf and if we don’t get him we still screw over the Knicks

@@Jayse that would be priceless would it not

as funny as that dream would be it wouldn't really make sense

@@BasketballRewind why do you not think it would make sense

Because you would have to renounce all FA rights to get up to the that level including on ochai ... OG hinted multiple times he wanted out and we can be out bid. Plus he is injury prone. Would he help on defence? Yes. But offensively if he pushes it he will break down and is limited to his ability to help. After two contracts and nearly 8 years in the NBA he was still one of the worst isolation drive guys in the NBA YET he wants to play that way. Sometimes its good to move on and let the ex go. Y'all broke up for a reason. But on top of that you lose all your depth to get a guy who is injury prone when you need all the health you can get already. I genuinely do not believe it makes a lot of sense to do this for OG or frankly for any free agent who is available THIS year. Although in literally one year there are way better free agents. many who are younger and less injury prone.

Missi and dunn and we’re so back

This is the hope

The Raps won one NBA title in their entire existence and now contender status is the goal? Sac, Utah, Char, Ind, Atl, Orl, Phx, LAC, Minny, NJ have never won a NBA title and have been in the NBA longer than Toronto. I think getting back to the team from 2013-2018 is the goal- a consistent playoff team and top 6 East team. Both RJ and IQ were rotation guys on a playoff teams in NY. RJ was a starter in NY and average 20.2 ppg in 2021-22 and 19.6 ppg in 2022-23. Yes, let's trade Poeltl after going 2-3 years without a quality starting center. Let's tank when the NBA doesn't reward tanking teams in the draft Lottery. Let's just become Detroit North and alienate SB, IQ and RJ so that they force their collective way out of Toronto.

You really have two options and I may make a video on this. Either you have one top 5 center or you split the cost of a top 5 center into two really solid centers like we did in the champion ship and you do it via depth. I think I agree with the hybrid idea. You don't go into the year saying we will lose but naturally allow nature to take its course.

@@IceManLikeGervingood points although those new york teams were deep. to your point RJ was a rotation guy but a 3rd option at best on a team that struggled in the playoffs. IQ rotation guy but was a bench guard. I believe both are solid starters but flawed because we can't defend. Will they improve? Yes, however, many other teams have young players who are getting better as well. We dont have to tank by ripping it down to the studs either .. just dont meaningfully make the team better.

@@IceManLikeGervin 2016? Raptors went to the ECF. That's "contender status". 2018? Raptors were the top team in the East and swept the top team in the West (Rockets) in their season series. That's "contender status". Yes, that's what we all want to get back to. But it took some great drafts to get to that point, culminating in acquiring OG in 2017 when he miraculously dropped out of the lottery because of his ACL injury. The question is whether the Raptors have enough elite talent to get back to contender status. I'd love it if IQ and RJ become all-star/all-NBA quality players. If they do this season - fine, we'll be top 6 in the East. If not, then let's get as many lottery tickets in the loaded 2025 draft as possible. And then start the winning in earnest. I'm quite sure Scottie is on board with the plan. His big kiss on Gradey's forehead signified that he sees the bright future of this team. The last thing we want to be is the 2005-2010 Cavaliers, with Lebron dragging them to the playoffs every year only to lose to deeper teams.

@@aquamarine99911 we gotta restock the cupboard and that takes time as you are hinting at.

I would rather wait for SGA.

2025 unprotected , that would be fair cause we’re giving warriors a max slot in free agency

@@Jayse exactly!

@@blaqhawk2k918that’s a dream deal for both franchises tbh , warriors also get a good rotation player in Boucher that they won a chip before with

Wiggins for 3 more years at $30 mill+/yr I think I would pass. Unless there is a lot more draft capital. Wiggins is a dog. He may or may not play. He's had 1 year where he was actually dialed in for the year that happened to be a contract year. He doesn't even play for his country. Get him at extreme risk.

I dont know if they would give wiggins and moody and a pick for effectively one player the franchise doesn't really want and another the franchise literally doesn't play and another who is literally there to be a salary dump at this point. Seems like a lot from there side.

feel free to invite me though I may be limited with my contributions based on time for the next little while.

This is a very intelligent channel. Part of intelligence is critical thinking. A very very big difference between critical thinking, and negativity. I am not sure that you are clear about the definition of both those words, because I don't see negativity on this show, just high IQ, intelligent breakdowns. There are many dumb (so called positive) shows. Every year they bore us with delusional casual interpretations of players potential. This show is intelligent, and I don't want it to be either positive, or negative, ... I prefer honesty, over delusions. Kenyon, Beyond, & Tim, are very intelligent educated people. When you talk about philosophy, I am sure they have read the philosophies of the greats like Aristotle, Socrates, Plato, Neitzsche, Kant, etc ... . I don't think the intelligent followers of this very insightful interesting show, want it ruined by following a kiddy philosophy about a positive thinking train.

I think there are a lot of ppl who admitted to me that they didn't watch the entirety of the season yet remain optimistic. My thought is this. Next season I am not expecting us to be world beaters or be good frankly however the long term future is good. IF the front office does the right things you stand to have back to back drafts in the next two years that will effectively set up the core of your future with Barnes to be a really good team. Assuming they dont try to rush being good. Want to be a young team like OKC with "shai". Well sometimes you have to go through tough times. I think we are going through tough times. I do consider any and every comment positive and negative. This one is a bit more constructive than some of your previous ones. I do genuinely consider all comments although I will not be dishonest about the product on court. I will perhaps do a better job of conveying the message that the long term future is bright, which is what I have been trying to tell ppl. Again you have Barnes who is a core piece. Gradey who is growing and you have control of your future. That is the important thing that I focus on but perhaps it has been muddled. HOWEVER, I will not just sell ppl on being a top 6 team and that suddenly everyone will grow exponentially and it will be puppies and kittens. Either way noted and thank you for the comments.

@@BasketballRewind Excellent take. Much respect and keep building your channel. I 💯 support you.

not sure what happened there could be part of the rendering process sorry

I will be posting the filler for that soon

Likely not hence why the mention of Melton is spot on. Even Tyus Jones is closer to a MLE but may be had for a bit more.

ya it froze for me

Same

I assume you are talking about the Poeltl deal? It has to be mentioned because we literally did convey the pick. We also have not conveyed the second rounder yet so not sure what you want one to do. The Spurs liked Dalano but we held him back from a deal so we gave the 2nd instead.

@BasketballRewind We sent Khem Birch that's why we added second round picks. We got Kawhi for not a lot and won a chip. Move on. That said, great session with Blake.

@@Matt-ul2rf We added two second round picks NOT only because we added khem birch but also because we refused to add Dalano. Adding Dalano could have held back one of the seconds which was information that came out after. Alternatively it could have meant better protections on the 1st rounder. We do not have a 2nd in next years draft. That is a fact. Am I upset about it to the degree you are hinting I may be? No. Am I super happy based on the fact that we could use more guys in our pipeline? Yes I have moved on but we are literally talking about an off season which includes us conveying the pick. Again I will outline things that have happened to inform the future. Again not sure what you would rather have me do. The Kawhi deal was done in a way that was...call it good value. Demar was an all star/ all NBA but not a two way guy. Kawhi was seen at the time as an injury risk. We gave up Poeltl and a a first which became Keldon Johnson. That trade has nothing to do with the Poeltl trade. Part of what made that trade so great was the inclusion of Danny Green who never gets discussed. The second rounders isn't necessarily my issue with the trade but instead it was the protections on the first. Top 6 if you aren't good enough makes it tough with flattened lotery odds so your chances of conveying it if you are bad like us become a 50/50 proposition and every year you are at risk of a convey or keep conversation. Imagine the convey or keep conversation but for another calendar year...doesn't seem like a fund conversation does it. We have a 905 team for example that literally cut half its roster mid way through the season. We need prospects in the pipeline. End of story. To go one step further. If people are suggesting that a Pascal Siakam trade isn't done until you trade bruce brown and see what you get with the 2026 pick from the pacers... shouldn't the same logic apply? That is what ppl are screaming so the logic should be consistent. The Poeltl trade by that logic is not done until 2025 2nd has conveyed. Now will I mention it every time? No, but it will be mentioned here and there. Through the good moves and the bad moves I have outlined each move and given my thoughts. I mean this respectfully, I think you are misunderstanding why it was brought up and blowing it out of proportion. ALSO while I just realized that the audio cut off for some reason and the video froze blake was the one who brought up the trade.

Mentioned it yes off line though.

That is why the 17.5 may be the walk away number. I agree with the second part about taking on another bad contract.

he does. I am happy to see some of the next generation of stars now snatch the mantel

we are talking about long term and at #19. There are plenty of other prospects who fit the raptors.. Fit can mean many things. He fits the raptors offensively. We also like Ryan Dunn who was covered previously REALLY good prospect long term if you develop him. Hope this isn't an attempt to be petty and nit pick.

they won 3 straight in a season!!! Amazing!

That is kind of the point... Barnes hasn't shown he is the guy thus far and that is ok. However, if it needs time why am I going to act like he is the guy today. When he becomes "the guy" then I will cover him as such.

not sure what "my truth" means. When we form opinions we do our best toprovide the evidence. Words and actions made by the front office.

You said it is the truth.

I am suggesting that they do not defend well on the perimeter AT ALL. Poeltl has trouble finishing games because of his inability to hit FTs and his foul prone nature. This is wy he has never averaged more than 30 minutes a night. He literally averaged around 26 minutes a night for us last year. Kelly O is not a center so it still leaves you with a gaping hole there alone. Will we be better? SURE! ... will we be good? No. 2 years from now will we be good? quite possibly we could be on the rise because we will have another lottery level talent coming in.

You all judging based on the rosters as it is. Let's see what happens at the beginning of the season. Who says Atlanta won't trade Trea Young?

@@Matt-ul2rf Well when that happens we will be covering it like we always do. I can only go based on what has happened and what exists. If we draft bronny james and lebron james comes to the raptors GREAT!!!. But I cant assume that management is going to suddenly make every single correct move like it is the matrix. I have been very clear. I expect improvement but overall I dont expect enough improvement when the goal has clearly been stated as being development.

@@BasketballRewind will bookmark this video .

@@Matt-ul2rf for what....because you think Lebron is coming ?