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@@FairwellNoob lmao solid idea

But who buys ricochet after haze ult only hits 1 person? I mean, who uses haze ult anyway?

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i disagree, tesla still has so much value without commiting to cdr. not that cdr is bad, but theres really no need to commit to anything, you can still go lucky shot and other gun damage items

yea the common consensus at high elo is that tesla is a bad

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what if you buy both tesla and burst fire?

@tircek1233 i have tested it in the spreadsheet. and in short its very good. the main reason i compared tesla to burst fire in the first place wasnt to convince you to buy tesla over burst fire. but to consider tesla in the first place since burst fire is commonly known as the highest dps 3k item on haze

@@deruitsu like if i have to choose one i would go with burst fire but i like to go both than spiritual and its preaty good

got damn valve please fix

Holy shit, that's why my fps is so much worse when I play wraith! I always run tesla bullets on her. That's actually a massive drawback to the item. I know it's an alpha, but I really wish they'd fix it.

i havent tested so take this with a grain of salt ricochet only gives 10% firerate and 18% weapon damage compared to the 14% firerate and 14% weapon damage and lightning damage procs on tesla. considering that haze doesnt benefit much from % weapon damage. the single target damage of tesla should be much much higher than ricochet. the real upside to ricochet is being able to hit 2 enemies at once and build fixation stacks on both which works really well with haze ult. with all that said ricochet is more than 2x the price of tesla so its hard to even consider it as a farming item in the first place

Bullet build: ricochet Spirit: tesla

but tesla does more single target bullet damage than ricochet

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damn i had no idea, thanks

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oh yea thats true, i didnt consider that. maybe i will run more tests

so i did some tests and you were right, in the very late game with two 6k items and max boons burst fire outperforms tesla by about 100 dps. however in the midgame test (before 6k items) burst fire only had 30 dps over tesla and considering you wont be max lvl either at that stage of the game tesla still has about equal damage to burst fire.

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@@deruitsu interesting! Makes sense Hahah thanks for testing that, I like tesla as a fun weapon with improved clear for farming. There’s so much to factor in with this stuff situationally.

oo thanks for the test, i didnt even think to test ult but yea that makes sense considering the raw firerate would benefit a lot from the extra spirit damage per shot

@@deruitsu i guess lucky shot also works now in ult. they changed it. it didnt before

i tested very lategame items (two 6k items) with burstfire [780 DPS] vs tesla [750 DPS] and bustfire only has better dps by around 30. also its a lot easier to snowball if you have tesla over burst fire in my opinion because you can clear waves faster and steal enemy jungle very quickly with tesla while pressuring (normally while your team is winning, this is why in the video i mention that tesla feels worse when losing). going to the jungle with burst fire feels really bad because the 30% fire rate passive doesnt activate.

i see, what exactly makes you feel that burstfire is the better 3k buy over tesla after seeing that the dps is around the same. i personally wouldnt recommend buying tesla after your first 6k item as tesla is a farm accelerating item and has more value in the early to midgame than the lategame. if you like tesla and burstfire theres no reason not to get both before your first 6k item other than if you want to rush it for a powerspike.

yea the movement part of burst fire is really nice to have, i guess it just depends on whether u prefer to have the slide advantage or the waveclear that tesla provides. i just tested (the 5 starting items i chose + swift + hollow point+ combat barrier [255 DPS]) vs (the 5 items + tesla [249-260 DPS) with 1 lvl in fixation so it seems the damage is about the same for the same price. but tesla requires you to save up while the latter doesnt. still i dont see a reason to not go both swift + hollow + combat barrier and tesla

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@@MENACEEEEE my build is haze 300+ games r$ch b$itch There is also an old one - haze 300 games+ build 22.11 patchw I don't really annotate things there because they are more for me to buy fast what I need but I'll do some annotations soon I'm phantom 6 by the way but I play like 2 games a day so I don't really climb.

@@deruitsu well ure right, u can get all of this things buuuut kin dash is VVEERY good this patch, so when i buy it there is slot shortage so i usually go burst + switft + dash. Buuuut some games are different and you neeed to read enemy playstyle so sometimes (maybe more that just sometimes) fleatfoot is goat especially with burst fire u can check my build too i wrote it in respond to other comment. But i dont say ure not right. ur video is very good. good anal. (analytics)

@@Creeperosha haha yea, i dont say your not right either. its just a matter of what you prioritize in the game

@@DriftaholiC yep i usually go tesla into cdr on wraith but since haze's abilities dont benefit too much from cdr i dont usually go for it just for tesla

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thats a pretty good argument for burst fire over tesla, but i personally feel that the normal slide is good enough on haze cause she gets ammo capacity easily, and with quicksilver reload she can easily have around 150 bullets to use before reloading. but i do agree that sliding is strong and if you go fleetfood burst fire, you could silde a lot easier and more often

yeah the movement potential from burst fire may not be the objective best but damn does it feel nice

I do this with infernus haha. Extra stam + burst fire you can slide the hell around and in and out of places. Longer slide distance is a must for the infinite ammo, too and having a smaller hitbox as you are basically prone to the ground it's hard for people to hit you as you curve around them n stuff

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its actually +20% firerate that scales additively from base firerate so its not really 20% damage increase, swift striker gives +22% firerate and your prolly going bullet ls on haze because she needs it so the active reload ls isnt doing too much. QSR is an instant reload and gives 15% firerate instead of the 20% from active reload but scales way better into the lategame as active reload doesnt really instantly reload but cuts the reload time in half. also weapon items are extrealy contested on haze making it even harder to justify getting active reload.

@deruitsu oh yeah right when I tested it in sandbox I only did it with one item forgot about diminishing returns Basically I think QSR is staple on Haze it's just the matter of whether to take both or just QSR

@@Raisuru yea i agree, but personally i feel that active reload becomes redundant when u get qsr as you end up just reloading with qsr all the time unless you are activating it intentionally just for the buff and not the reload reduction in which i feel like an item such as kinetic dash might be better.

yea i think qsr on his 1 would be the best for infernus.

nice, i wasnt even awake of the duration while making this video but yea you always want qsr on haze.

prolly qsr on her 1 for a full gun build, but if you want to go hybrid with many charges on 1 to spam it lategame you can go active reload

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yea ppl do still buy active reload cause reload reduction is really strong for gun builds and some chars cant buy qsr without making sacrifices that isnt worth it sometimes.

@ ig the way I like to build is to orient around an ability I can qsr on. Bonus points if it’s charged. I guess maybe active is ok if your trying to go like full gun

@@azebramoomoo2727 yea the thing is some chars dont have good abilities to put qsr on like in the video i used wraith as an example

yea i understand the benefits of active reload in the early game as haze likes the firerate and lifesteal. however the item gets loses value when you get bullet ls which you need on haze (she cant get away with conditional lifesteal in my opinion) and swift striker is more damage in the ealry game and is a must buy on any haze build. so going swift striker-> bullet ls-> qsr is really good after the laning phase and adding active reload just to sell it later isnt worth it in my opinion. also the gun slots are extremally contested on haze making it even more awkward.

@@redrider578 mm i see. i actually tryed to play a game of vindicta to test it out after i made this video and it did still feel strange to not buy qsr so maybe i should have thought of a different example.

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personally, i dont think putting it on 3 is better solely because the cooldown of 3 is much higher than QSR effectivly increasing your QSR cd. and another big reason is because you always want to press 3 as soon as you lift someone. but yea i do agree that active relead is awkward and uncomfortable to use and is objectively worse than QSR on a char like haze and most other characters. but because of the disadvantages i listed above it doesnt make sense to go QSR on wraith

th-cam.com/video/G8MuufToV5E/w-d-xo.html i made this video on this topic

@@deruitsu i agree that QSR on cards is the better play, i initially also put on 3 for max 3 value but CD is so long and you can always keep a card in the pocket for QSR activation, just gotta be diligent

@@Mrxlongshot i actually dont think gun build is that bad dispite my clickbate title and dont think its any worse than card build. with a card focused build you have minimal impact without cards and to recharge your cards you have to deal damage with your gun. meanwhile with a gun focused build it tends to neglect the card side of wraith which is inefficient and just a general waste. my build is focused on building everything in synergy.

yea sometimes i cant hit it idk y. im trying to work on basic wall jump routes rn to learn how to do it consistently

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@@BrokecaR34JC personally i think it is good but not always. it gives fire rate which wraith likes and the lightning scales with spirit power which u build into late game. but the value that's hard to measure with testla is just how fast you can farm waves. you can easily make a triple wave disappear instantly with testla. but tesla is diff not always good in every game when u cant take full advantage of the farming speed it gives you.

personally i dont think its a great idea to get lucky shot unless you are full commited to gun build after the laning phase onwards (because u always scale card in the laning phase). lucky shot gains value the more weapon damage you have because it multiples weapon damage.

the big difference between my build and chicken's is that mine focuses on card damage alongside weapon damage while chicken's build pretty much fully commits to card and other spirit damage.

@@deruitsu exactly, i went to a semi gun build after half of the match towards the late game