Wayne Hays is such a captivating character in every sense of the word , being classified as a tracker during his army days explains his obsessive nature completely even at his old age
Such an awesome and important way to end your 8 episode masterpiece; this ending gave me goosebumps and made me really think about the continuity of his journey inside Haze’s mind.
He stares backwards, catches a glimpse of his own future, and pursues on to meet it. The circle is complete. Time is redone again. Nothing is ever ended or started, hayes is in the jungle all the time.
My theory - I believe Wayne dies on that porch. A part of him leaves with Amelia, and a part of him stays in the jungle. In life, he wanted to have her, and the job (closest thing to the jungle) but they could not seem to easily exist together. One poisoned the other. So in death - part of his soul belonged to Amelia - part of his soul belonged to the jungle. The duality of man.
Man I really wish we could’ve seen more of him as a LRRP, even just a little more, but a great ending, giving us a glimpse his genesis, the very beginning of him at the very end. Love how the jungle seems to just swallow him whole.
In addition to his character “never having left the jungle” I think it also shows how at the end he became lost in the “jungle” of his own mind as the Alzheimer’s began to take over. Been awhile since I watched it but there was something really chilling about this.
Just watched this season again and it appears that this last scene was cut from episode 8. It now ends with Wayne and Amelia walking out of the VFW hall.
@@Bethune_Groundstaff Yeah, the screen fading to black as he sinks into the jungle with a look of complete despair on his face was extremely powerful. Really tied together the theme of dementia with the larger series theme of time being a flat circle. It really peaves me off when streaming services edit stuff like this..
i think that it was in war that he was somehow free. Once he left war, war didn't left him. He seeked it everywhere he looked, but could never really find it, even among all the killing. I think he went to war not to die and give his mom the 10k he said to his wife, I think he went to find an answer: if he were to die, he would knew he was part of something bigger. If he were to survive, he was a dust in history. I think he wanted to die there. Idk
Since he came back from the war he only had more and more doubts about everything, in himself, became more and more suspicious of everyone close and far, more dark. And he started to look back, over his shoulders, doubting. and every time in the show he does that move, we go back in time. That was the first time he did that. LRRPs never went alone in real life always small team. but if they did the guys would come back 1000 more nuts that shown here. That moment is half good, because he still in full trust of himself, Innocent. just before the dark start crawling in.
I truly think it demonstrates the utter obsession he had over conflict and how he couldn't bring himself out of it. His wife, the case and the war. What really began his obsessive journey with the case was the jungle he was thrown into and never recovered from. Now the case seemingly swallowed up his life too, and he only became free of it at the very end of his life. What I think this scene shows is that he never left behind the trauma, conflict and obsession, he brought it home and into his family and professional life, he never left the jungle. Or something lol i dunno i haven't rewatched it in some time but I remember this scene so well.
for some reason i made same conclusion , maybe the additional idea is that some people born to be comfortobale in those "jungles" , where regular people cant stay 1 minute
Can someone explain to me why this scene is so absolutely amazing. I just can't put my finger on it. I know its not just the one scene but its implications after the entirety of the show too... goddamn it was fucking good. True Detective 1 and 3 have to be some of the best seasons in TV history.
My 2 cents say he finally figured it out and now he’s on a long ranged reconnaissance patrol for his wife. Because he’s batshit. Why else show him in ‘Nam if not to root to his LRRP days. Idk my 2 cents though. However I think it’s universal season 2 was forced. What do I know though? Just nice to see someone watching the same thing as the boys 🤙🏻🤙🏻🤙🏻 Belarus is garbage this time of year.
@@DDiez15 ok good you’re American! Saying bro. I play hockey in Belarus it’s 5pm here. I watched the 8th episode of td3 last night was confused af watched it again and was like “purple haze” not a lot to do here accept troll on TH-cam but I’m not in this instance
I think you can link it to the final descent into his dementia and mental wilderness. He frequently cited how he tethered himself to his memories and what was left of them through the case. With the case now gone he has no cord to which he can tether himself. His wife's book, which he finally read, kept him in conversation with her posthumously. Upon having read it and connected all the dots that needed connecting there is no longer mystery behind the 'two dead kids' that they both admit undergirded their relationship. Anything she left for him is now simply a souvenir for something he can't remember. As an add on PTSD is considered one of the major contributing factors towards dementia. Wayne unsurprisingly recounts that he saw horrors doing Recon in Nam and I feel that he is sent down memory lane one last time two scenes prior, where he is seen on his porch surrounded by the few remaining people that he loves, including his seemingly estranged daughter Becca and best friend Roland. He is then abruptly reminded of the now concluded investigation by the two kids riding their bikes. In his living life he has reached the final ends of it's purpose. The next and penultimate scene of the season's end is where he declares his plans to marry Amelia at the bar when their future together stood on a knife's edge. This is his last and most impactful vestigial memory of love. One could once again interpret this all leading up to the fact he's reached his life's conclusion where the remaining remnants of his memories are of being alone in the wilderness. This may be a jump but this just about sums up why I find this brief shot so impactful. It represents how after everything this condition almost casually consumes our protagonist into a mental jungle of tragic aimlessness and hopelessness. All in all I think this season is a fantastic allegory for dementia, focused around memories woven together in a sort of mad haze until that weave is finally broken with the death of purpose. The condition finally wins when there is naught left to weave.
@@Forerunner2So good. For me the impact of this scene is how for the entirety of the show, you never see any of the stuff he went through in the war, and this scene finally gives you an idea of it. You can see the fear in his eyes. This guy gave a great performance
Time is a flat circle
Jungle swallowed him up
He looked back and saw season 4 , said ahhh hell no and went into the jungle
Wayne Hays is such a captivating character in every sense of the word , being classified as a tracker during his army days explains his obsessive nature completely even at his old age
Such an awesome and important way to end your 8 episode masterpiece; this ending gave me goosebumps and made me really think about the continuity of his journey inside Haze’s mind.
What a powerful image to go out on
He stares backwards, catches a glimpse of his own future, and pursues on to meet it. The circle is complete. Time is redone again. Nothing is ever ended or started, hayes is in the jungle all the time.
Time is a flat circle and season 3 is all about it. Hays is the King in Yellow, forever doomed to wander in Carcosa
the memory’s fading, like there was never anything here but jungle
My man was a LRRP
I wished he would have actually realized he ended up finding the girl
such a special underrated season
The man has always been a tracker, a hunter. This season really deserved more recognize.
He never came back, or was it a changeling for what man could not have ...
Loved this scene and the atmosphere it created. Mahershala Ali truly is a great actor and I'm captivated by his work.
you have to be brave when you fall in love with someone who never leave jungle. forgive him.
chilling
Он так и не вернулся
My theory - I believe Wayne dies on that porch. A part of him leaves with Amelia, and a part of him stays in the jungle. In life, he wanted to have her, and the job (closest thing to the jungle) but they could not seem to easily exist together. One poisoned the other. So in death - part of his soul belonged to Amelia - part of his soul belonged to the jungle. The duality of man.
He really impressed me what an incredible actor
The music makes the scene
,,We're still in the desert" -Jarhead
It reminded me of this exact scene I almost commented it
Man I really wish we could’ve seen more of him as a LRRP, even just a little more, but a great ending, giving us a glimpse his genesis, the very beginning of him at the very end. Love how the jungle seems to just swallow him whole.
In addition to his character “never having left the jungle” I think it also shows how at the end he became lost in the “jungle” of his own mind as the Alzheimer’s began to take over. Been awhile since I watched it but there was something really chilling about this.
amazing ending for a once in a lifetime show.
Just watched this season again and it appears that this last scene was cut from episode 8. It now ends with Wayne and Amelia walking out of the VFW hall.
I refuse to believe it
@@Bethune_Groundstaff it's on HBO Max, see for yourself.
@@ajaj3196 breaks my heart. This and the Woodard fight are my favorite scenes.
@@Bethune_Groundstaff Yeah, the screen fading to black as he sinks into the jungle with a look of complete despair on his face was extremely powerful. Really tied together the theme of dementia with the larger series theme of time being a flat circle. It really peaves me off when streaming services edit stuff like this..
@@ajaj3196 yeah man well said. Cheers.
This makes me tear up
I think it's one of the best endings I've ever seen...wandering off into the unknown alone again
It reminds of the ending of Jarhead; he was still in the desert and wayne never left the jungle
Excelente temporada me gustó bastante ojala saquen una cuarta temporada
i think that it was in war that he was somehow free. Once he left war, war didn't left him. He seeked it everywhere he looked, but could never really find it, even among all the killing. I think he went to war not to die and give his mom the 10k he said to his wife, I think he went to find an answer: if he were to die, he would knew he was part of something bigger. If he were to survive, he was a dust in history. I think he wanted to die there. Idk
Reminds me of the full metal jacket “do we belong in Vietnam? I don’t know, but I belong in Vietnam”
The name of the song please
St James Infirmary by Jon Batiste
The bittersweet music, the subtly, the mystery; is this the ending or the beginning? Why, it's both. Everything has finally come full circle.
Someone once told me time is a flat circle.
@@zdude11 exactly!
Since he came back from the war he only had more and more doubts about everything, in himself, became more and more suspicious of everyone close and far, more dark. And he started to look back, over his shoulders, doubting. and every time in the show he does that move, we go back in time. That was the first time he did that. LRRPs never went alone in real life always small team. but if they did the guys would come back 1000 more nuts that shown here. That moment is half good, because he still in full trust of himself, Innocent. just before the dark start crawling in.
It just 30sec scene but I never forgot.
the man never scaped from the jungle
Oh but he did.. . That's the point of the ending. Amelia slowly but surely brought an end to his Investigating. The.ending serves that purpose
I truly think it demonstrates the utter obsession he had over conflict and how he couldn't bring himself out of it. His wife, the case and the war. What really began his obsessive journey with the case was the jungle he was thrown into and never recovered from. Now the case seemingly swallowed up his life too, and he only became free of it at the very end of his life. What I think this scene shows is that he never left behind the trauma, conflict and obsession, he brought it home and into his family and professional life, he never left the jungle. Or something lol i dunno i haven't rewatched it in some time but I remember this scene so well.
@@fvhaudsilhvdfs really well said
so he was no different from Woodard?
@@fvhaudsilhvdfs his childs got stolen I think
for some reason i made same conclusion , maybe the additional idea is that some people born to be comfortobale in those "jungles" , where regular people cant stay 1 minute
Only ever knew how to commit his whole life to a task.
Can someone explain to me why this scene is so absolutely amazing. I just can't put my finger on it. I know its not just the one scene but its implications after the entirety of the show too... goddamn it was fucking good. True Detective 1 and 3 have to be some of the best seasons in TV history.
My 2 cents say he finally figured it out and now he’s on a long ranged reconnaissance patrol for his wife. Because he’s batshit. Why else show him in ‘Nam if not to root to his LRRP days. Idk my 2 cents though. However I think it’s universal season 2 was forced. What do I know though? Just nice to see someone watching the same thing as the boys 🤙🏻🤙🏻🤙🏻 Belarus is garbage this time of year.
@@jtoedrag Hahahahahaha bro where did you come up with that hahaha I love that theory. Far fetched as fuck it seems to me but I love it nontheless .
@@DDiez15 ok good you’re American! Saying bro. I play hockey in Belarus it’s 5pm here. I watched the 8th episode of td3 last night was confused af watched it again and was like “purple haze” not a lot to do here accept troll on TH-cam but I’m not in this instance
I think you can link it to the final descent into his dementia and mental wilderness. He frequently cited how he tethered himself to his memories and what was left of them through the case. With the case now gone he has no cord to which he can tether himself. His wife's book, which he finally read, kept him in conversation with her posthumously. Upon having read it and connected all the dots that needed connecting there is no longer mystery behind the 'two dead kids' that they both admit undergirded their relationship. Anything she left for him is now simply a souvenir for something he can't remember. As an add on PTSD is considered one of the major contributing factors towards dementia. Wayne unsurprisingly recounts that he saw horrors doing Recon in Nam and I feel that he is sent down memory lane one last time two scenes prior, where he is seen on his porch surrounded by the few remaining people that he loves, including his seemingly estranged daughter Becca and best friend Roland. He is then abruptly reminded of the now concluded investigation by the two kids riding their bikes. In his living life he has reached the final ends of it's purpose. The next and penultimate scene of the season's end is where he declares his plans to marry Amelia at the bar when their future together stood on a knife's edge. This is his last and most impactful vestigial memory of love. One could once again interpret this all leading up to the fact he's reached his life's conclusion where the remaining remnants of his memories are of being alone in the wilderness. This may be a jump but this just about sums up why I find this brief shot so impactful. It represents how after everything this condition almost casually consumes our protagonist into a mental jungle of tragic aimlessness and hopelessness. All in all I think this season is a fantastic allegory for dementia, focused around memories woven together in a sort of mad haze until that weave is finally broken with the death of purpose. The condition finally wins when there is naught left to weave.
@@arthurisherwood-mote1472 it doesn’t matter. Beers are cold. No shot I question
Uno de los mejores finales que he visto. Casi perfecto.
Casi?
@@DDiez15 me hubiera gustado ver otras cosas, pero se agradece el trabajo que hicieron en la producción :)
@@edgaralejandroguevarajuare1923hay que ser sinceros, hermano, el final fue perfecto. Nunca he ido a la guerra, pero no me la puedo sacar de encima
This short scene and a couple of others were the best parts of the series.
I absolutely agree. Something about the shortness of the scene and Wayne venturing into the unknown, like he is with his memory fading, truly hits me
@@Forerunner2So good. For me the impact of this scene is how for the entirety of the show, you never see any of the stuff he went through in the war, and this scene finally gives you an idea of it. You can see the fear in his eyes. This guy gave a great performance
Maybe for you bud but I loved it from start to finish