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@Rhapsody116 cannot make anything but strong fragrance on wine map from 1 type of ingredient without salt (

@ I think Dawiddulian knows some single ingredient type recipes in wine that don't use salt, he commented about them recently. You should talk to him and see what effects they are. I'm pretty sure they were strong, but I could be wrong.

Lots of firebells were spoiled, but finally i managed)

Nice!

Cannot make healing potion from dryad's saddle only 2 lvl potion. Not enough just a bit for 3

So much dryads saddle 😂😂

But I manage to get strong potion of gluing on oil map with 8 dryad's saddle)))

@Rhapsody116 but I cannot stop... Strong gluing for 8 dryad's saddle And!! Strong potion of lightning protection for 11 dryad's saddle. Not sure if its possible to make for 10

@@ОлегПолканов-д1н nice!

Make a mod that lets you plant bismuth anywhere in the garden and you start with 10 in your garden. You can't sell bismuth or buy any other ingredients. Must not kick out any customers (unless their request is impossible, like strong luck on water saltless). You lose when you can't serve a customer :)

@dawiddulian2403 ))

Now that earns the suffering title

@ОлегПолканов-д1н yup! That's why efficiency focused crafter don't like using them, it takes away a big part of the challenge. It does add it's own kind of challenge though, so maybe we should all reconsider our positions on using salts. At least in wine. It's going to be hard for people to choose what the best ingredients are, but that seems like a fun idea!

@Rhapsody116 in wine I made all quite efficient recipes but those are with multiple ingredient types. Don't see how make both: and only one (at least 2) ingredients and no salt.

Phantom skirt + salts is dominating the optimization community right now; not really in a good way, as it's *really* dominating all the alchemy machine recipes. It kinda discourages other ing usage due to how versatile it is and what you can do with extremely little skirts and ever-increasing amounts of salt (because salts are getting progressively cheaper in terms of ingredients due to that)

@dawiddulian2403 don't have such ingredient yet. Looked at wiki, yep, interesting. Not sure about everything, but I see its very versatile. Long straights lines + salt i think you can make every potion out of it. And I assume that cost based salt with such ingredient beat every other.

Oh and don't forget about (here are spoilers for 2 ingredient seeds unique placements): The 2 ingredients being grasping roots and truffles have unique places that only they can be planted; roots can go in the cave ground normally as well. So that makes the two of them the best in terms of availability/ plants space competition optimization.

@ОлегПолканов-д1н if they really want us to use salts I hope they add ways to calculate that kind of thing so we can make salts a new kind of efficiency challenge And thanks!

Yup! I think I did that a couple of times, but I didn't want to waste too many ingredients on it. There are single type ingredient recipes in wine, but for the air direction effects, I think salt or crystals are necessary

@Rhapsody116 my types in ingredients don't let me do single type yet. There are no strong effect potions with 1 ingredient type without salt I found with ingredients on my disposal. But I think I have almost everything. Maybe some unique?...

@ОлегПолканов-д1н that's interesting, you should try talking to dawiddulian (he also comments on these videos) he is really good at making single ingredient recipes and has told me about some good ones in the wine map

@@Rhapsody116 nah, don't want to spoil. Will wait till all ingredients unlocked and then try. Another problem for me bow is lack of pages in recipe book. At the beginning of a suffering game play pages were too expensive and for now (50 day) merchant don't come often. I vuy every page when he visit me, but all pages were bought with buying oil base firs and was used and wine base later and again were use. Don't have spare to test new recipes. I even erase old recipes to save new one.

It's rough not having enough pages, I recommend using the alchemy machine hack to store extra recipes

Druids rosemary is hard to use for single ingredient type recipes, but I've found it can be surprisingly useful in other situations. Thanks! It was fun to create that recipe also somewhat frustrating, but the challenge is what makes it fun lol Good to know

@Rhapsody116 just got a request levitation in 1 type. Made with foggy parasol. 8 items i think. Also dexterity in 1 - made with 5 Icefruit

@ОлегПолканов-д1н nice! I'll keep that in mind for part 3!

@dawiddulian2403 ooh good to know!

@dawiddulian2403 Yeah, I know I should make use of void salt, but if I finish the recipe using void salt, I know I'll have trouble having the motivation to go back and fix it later, so I just end up avoiding it lol. I almost didn't post this one bc I have an awful habit of saying the same thing a million times when I'm trying to get used to the idea of whatever I'm saying. Which doesn't make for a great video, lol. But I said I would try to get to those effects and I also wanted to hear whether other players agreed or not on wine being a call to use the tools at our disposal (salts) more like you said in your comment. What are your thoughts on that? And do you think it's possible to go for the air direction effects without salts?

​@@Rhapsody116 Gonna try that next!

I can't wait to hear about your experience!

Very true!

It's all good, I could probably use the reminder, I always forget until I've already gone too far and need to start over lol

Yeah I can try it out in my next stream. Some water potions can't be strong without salt so I'm guessing you're not including those? If it helps, salts don't count as an ingredient type iirc. I'll probably have time to stream tomorrow, so keep an eye out. If you have an infinite amount of rainbow caps, I'd guess most recipes can be done with those (in water at least).

@Rhapsody116 i mean all potions not beyond the bones borders. Not outer ring. From levitation/invisibility from top to slow at the bottom from libido/light to dream. Plus necromancy. Yep, salt not an ingredient, but some clients demand potion without using any salt.

That's my favourite optimization category! ^_^

@@dawiddulian2403 second client per day ask strong luck potion from only one ingredient. Have no idea how. Don't have crystals yet May be they are the answer.

Maybe rainbow cap

Yeah, it's a really inefficient recipe, so I can't recommend using it after lifeleaf unlocks

@Rhapsody116 why not? 4 life leafs or 2 terraria 2 waterbloom same 4 ingredients. On suffering mode it really matters because at the beginning you cannot afford to buy seeds but with perk you can get seeds from harvesting and if such luck that you get first seeds from terraria and waterbloom you can really boost your garden harvesting 24 ingredients per plant. At early game its huge. Voth good for early scouting, gaining exp from exp books, unlocking effects, making potion with 5 different effect (all exp from 2, 3 and 4 effects potions provided when you craft one 5-effects potion).

@ОлегПолканов-д1н oh oops I thought this was a different video/different effect. For some reason I thought this was the basic ingredients VOD and we were talking about healing rather than wild growth. Still though once you unlock better ingredients, not lifeleaf, but ingredients that can make the path to wild growth with fewer ingredients, then I don't recommend using this recipe. Like you said, it is good for early days, and that's why I made it, but it's inefficient later on.

Good to know!

@@ОлегПолканов-д1н nice!!

@dawiddulian2403 it was rough XD I kept rushing to get through it at the end and that was my downfall lol

Grave truffles go soooo farrrrrrrrr :drool:

@fractalgem I love grave truffles, I wish I could eat them irl

I've never eaten a truffle before - that makes me wonder, how does one taste? 🤔

@@dawiddulian2403 irl truffles tend to taste like one of two things: really yummy, or EW DIRT. The difference seems to be down to your tastebuds. I seem to be one of those unfortunate people for whom they taste gross.

@@ОлегПолканов-д1н thanks!

@Rhapsody116 just finished with crystals. 3 mushroom 1 mushroom and crystals. Details will provide when be at home.

@@Rhapsody116 4 marshroom 1 mudshroom 1 fire citrine