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Payne Robinson
เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 4 เม.ย. 2011
I'm making an incremental game about escaping a hypercapitalist prison in Godot 4. Subscribe for tutorials and video essays about game dev.
Game Freak Perfected a Genre and You Can Too
Game Freak laid out an excellent framework that details how to refine a genre into a force of nature. In this video, I explain how Game Freak has done this with the Pokemon franchise and how you can apply these concepts to your game.
itch:
peebly.itch.io/
spotify:
open.spotify.com/artist/134lbAEDjF0rR7Q5OJKq1l?si=P6nzba-lQWqVVXfMFxCQCQ
discord:
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podcast:
game-boys-advanced.zencast.website/
______CHAPTERS_______
0:00 - A High Barrier to Entry
1:48 - Prof Oak Jump Scare
2:23 - why pokemon good?
3:18 - Part 2: Pokemonification
4:00 - Settings
5:27 - Clear Goals and Settings
7:00 - Monster Catching
8:11 - Party Member Innovation
9:12 - Part 3 : Pokemonify Your Game
11:01 - Conclusion
Keywords: Pokémon, game design, JRPG, game development, retro gaming, Pokémon analysis, game dev tips, learn game design, Immersion
itch:
peebly.itch.io/
spotify:
open.spotify.com/artist/134lbAEDjF0rR7Q5OJKq1l?si=P6nzba-lQWqVVXfMFxCQCQ
discord:
discord.gg/fWXnwyNpeT
podcast:
game-boys-advanced.zencast.website/
______CHAPTERS_______
0:00 - A High Barrier to Entry
1:48 - Prof Oak Jump Scare
2:23 - why pokemon good?
3:18 - Part 2: Pokemonification
4:00 - Settings
5:27 - Clear Goals and Settings
7:00 - Monster Catching
8:11 - Party Member Innovation
9:12 - Part 3 : Pokemonify Your Game
11:01 - Conclusion
Keywords: Pokémon, game design, JRPG, game development, retro gaming, Pokémon analysis, game dev tips, learn game design, Immersion
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Devs Need To Play More Games
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Some reasons why you should play as many games as possible. Being a game developer is hard and you need all the help you can get. Play as many games as you can get your hands on and be inspired by the work of the exceptional folks making games today... Grid Tweaker Discord (For possible testers and game updates) discord.gg/JcjSdFYvaw My Spotify open.spotify.com/artist/134lbAEDjF0rR7Q5OJKq1l?si=...
UFO 50 Made Me a Better Developer
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UFO 50 is one of the most inspiring games I've played all year. From a developer standpoint, if you're looking for something to spark some inspiration in your current project, look no further than UFO50!
Godot 4 UI Tutorial: How to Disable or Hide Tabs in a Tab Container
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I show you the easiest way to disable or hide tabs when using a tab container in Godot 4. #godot4 #godot #gamedev
Dragons Dogma 2: Better Than Zelda
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Dragons Dogma 2 is dope, and the height of the BOTW sub genre. #dragonsdogma2 #botw #zeldalike #performance #cpu #rpg #zelda
Vibe {523} Full Music Video
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Grounding vibes. . . get bent in my psychedelic washing machine :P follow me on spotify for an upcoming EP featuring this song: spotify: open.spotify.com/artist/134lbAEDjF0rR7Q5OJKq1l?si=HCPdyLUWRtGd5S9ZpgtIBA bandcamp: paynerobinson.bandcamp.com Instagram: raynepobinson website: payne-robinson-music.jimdosite.com support me on patreon to help me eat: patreon: www.patreon.com/use...
Critical Analysis
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The first of many projects... TITLES in order Ignorant Bliss 0:00 to 4:19 Lean Lullaby 4:21 to 8:47 Movies 8:48 to 11:58 Routine 12:00 to 14:42 Fear 14:44 to 18:36 SHARE WITH YOUR FRIENDS... especially on Spotify and apple music, the more streams i get the more money i get to buy food :) Itunes link: itunes.apple.com/album/id1299914456?ls=1&app=itunes
Interesting, you seem to not to mention the their targeted audience was young Japanese boys at school. Where the game mechanics, story, and characters reflected that interest. The whip cream and cherry on top being trading in person with your friends. Taking a video game into to an pseudo-ARG. The lore and the mystery is lightly similar to Fnaf, check the poke'dex. Creepy pasta was even made. Then there was the trading cards, anime, and merchandising. Poke mon is not simple. It's just childishly stupid, on purpose.
You raise some good points. I thought about that target demographic being virtualized into the game, but my point is more about how this was done through simplified versions of jrpg mechanics that came before. Pokemon blue was a success but pokemon as a franchise continues to be far more successful than other monster capturing games that intend to virtualize a target demographic. Take a look at cassette beasts, aiming at an older indie crowd, why didn’t that blow up into a multi billion dollar franchise? It was also childish on purpose, but its mechanics, world design, and gameplay loop weren’t refined in the way pokemon games are. There’s something more to the craft of these games and that is what I am pointing out.
@@Peebly Try remaking the War of Warcraft without the timing of being the first of a kind, and the fans that come with word of mouth. Being just another is not going to cut it. A game has to mean something to somebody. Pal World was the next pokemon. Now it's being slowly ignored by the Japanese.
@@Heart_Razer my point is still not to copy a pokemon Esq game. It’s to think clearly about how your mechanics mesh together and additionally how they weave into the narrative of your game. I chose pokemon because it’s one of the best examples of a game doing that
Excellent pokemon naming choices.
I was hoping someone would notice.
This is amazing man
Thank you 🙏
My favorite right here
Thank you sir
You say that games like JRPGs and Soulslikes are "obtuse". That seems like a strange word choice. Do you mean "abstruse"?
I think the on boarding process for classic JRPGs can be obtuse meaning, a bit dull or lacking granular explanation thus making them abstruse. But yes I did mean obtuse.
Amazing video as usual :)
Everyone is so positive, thank you 🙏
Your storytelling and editing are amazing! I can't wait to see your channel blow up with the audience it deserves!
I appreciate your kindness. Thank you 🙏
criminally underrated content
Wow, thank you
Ive been coding websites and windows apps since 98 and playing games. About a year ago i started looking into game dev and UE5 now i have 4 games on itch and a steam game coming :) But i still always play other games a few hours a day and rotate what I play like rn Im playing stalker 2 but im not making a fps but i can still learn from the design side and the ui etc.
Exactly! 4 games is awesome. Playing keeps me inspired
Nu uh
Yea huh
@@Peebly Nu uh
Great video, what is the name of this game? 2:37
Thank you. That’s Bushido Ball in UFO 50
But there s no tiiiiiiime
Thanks for making this video! First because you make a lot of great points that I wholeheartedly agree with, and second because I've been thinking about making a similar style of video (video essay-like where I analyze other games before showing how I apply those concepts in my own game) but worried it would seem strange, so it's really cool to see another channel doing something like that. Great job, and you've earned a subscriber!! Also, a fun fact about Stardew Valley is that the developer was actually unemployed and working on it full-time (~70 hours a week). So while I definitely understand the feeling maybe not the best example to compare yourself with :)
Thank you! When you make one, send me the link! I’m glad it’s resonating. Feels like a better way to make a devlog. I get eyes on my game and people get some interesting analysis. I did know that about stardew he was working part time as an usher for a while… I did think about that, but there are still devs like the guy who made Cultic that was working until 2am every night after his Walmart shifts… That is not how I work, but I still feel dwarfed when looking at the sheer quality one person can output given enough time.
@@Peebly Thanks, will do! ^^ Also I see where you're coming from. I just try my best not to compare myself to other devs for the sake of my mental health lol
@@Peebly I actually went through with it (and even gave you a little shoutout at the end of the video)! th-cam.com/video/5SgkOgrpKcw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=hziLgcH0pKp5t_BX
didn't even need to watch the video to agree with the title.. this is a must in game dev and from the games i have looked at over the last year this seems to be a huge issue. I am learning to be my own game dev/composer/sfx person , been studying indy game sphere for the last 2 years. have over 1200 games in my steam wishlist. reason is i review how well games do after they release. not in videos or anything. i just review them for my own personal knowledge.. ppl are falling short on dynamic level design often and also enemies.. a lot of really good games have released that i was hopeful for but then find out their tiling is so boring, not the art.. the method of tiling..long flat, too many right angles. not dynamic enough... I play mostly 2d games. Another thing games are falling short on is enemies, i'll walk into a room and it's just too easy for me. more enemies more combat. more chaos.. hollow knight can teach alot about this... this is why games take so long.. A current unreleased game i have high hopes for is Emberbane.. the combat and movement is amazing.. but it could fail if they don't level design well or have enough enemy variation.. the game needs to be fun. i wish them all the best anyway. i hope it's a banger.. .my favorite indy game by far this year was The Last Medic.. he's a youtuber named Once Upon a Synth who made this game. and all the music.. a true gem of a game.. best game since Celeste.. i make Celeste mods and music for them, part of my game dev training, is how i just learned fmod, stylegrounds and pixel art. and good level design. i'm still working on that part with a few more mods. sorry for writing a book here lolol cheers.
Didn’t even need to read the whole comment to agree with it. This is the type of analysis every dev should be doing. Good work
This is true, but it's kinda problematic. Yes, you have to play a lot and constantly learn how games are made-what makes the flow and what the standard level of polish is at the time. But yeah, development takes a lot of time. Like, a lot of time. I mostly play games with my kids now, and I’m glad to have some time for that. But big RPGs? I can maybe play one or two a year, definitely not a lot. Most of the games I played were when I was a teenager. Now I’m a full-time developer and also an indie developer in my free time. It takes 8+6 hours a day, so there’s not a lot of time for playing-or even sleeping! But I love it anyway. I did level design, 3D modeling, and environment work for Hobo: Tough Life, I work as a vegetation designer for ETS2 and ATS, and I'm also developing my own game, Master Leaf Blower: Crazy Sim. You’re totally right, though-it’s just not easy to play a lot of games anymore.
It’s hard. I think that’s part of why you need to be crazy to do it. There really isn’t enough time to do it all, but somehow you have to find it
Is there a way to play your Snake game? I think that people from r/incremental_games would like it
I also stand by this belief but If only making games doesn't take so much time as playing games. Time, Energy, Work-Life Health balance makes this extremely hard because of games being a mixed genre (Art Heavy, Technically weak developer here). Maybe if you are specialized in an aspect of game development + a team this would be easier. Some games take a while to fully show their mechanics too (Atlus games are notorious for this which is the ballpark of the games some of us want to learn from)
Great points. This is exactly why I don’t generally finish many games these days. But 20 mins to an hour a day can get you through a surprising amount of games. Especially if you have a handheld around. Additionally part of the work life health balance is relaxing and enjoying something, and sometimes that might be a game. I’ll sometimes double up with an Audio book and a game to get exposed to twice as much when I don’t feel like it’s over stimulating.
I've tried to communicate this to other devs too. It's baffling to me how many game developers think that playing other games is a waste of time. If you don't expose yourself to large variety of games, you'll have an extremely limited understanding of what's possible and how many different ways you can do things. Thanks for the vid!
Exactly! Thanks for watching.
Entering famous gamejams helps a lot too , to discover interesting mecanics that you can take inspiration you can play a lot in a little time and realize what would make a cool complete game
Great content👍
Much appreciated
Understood. Downloading League.
😂 no!!
its hard to put time into playing games when you dedicate your time to learning to develop and actually developing games. indie game dev is a very lonely road if you dont come from a job and most of that time is put to technical aspects of it. If you play games as an indie, most of the time they become lazy and dont learn the technical skills required to make a good game.
I get it. I work a full time non tech job, and have many other responsibilities. It’s all about the balance of learning dev and still squeezing a game or two in there.
A lot of developers would rather spend their time developing since time is money. Some also just can't play games anymore since they start analyzing the game design and cannot focus on enjoying the game. Yes, this can happen for some devs.
Part of the fun for me is trying to find a game so good that it pulls me out of analyzing mode for a few moments. It’s a tough challenge but when you find one you know you have a gem… then you get to figure out what made it so fun by analyzing the shit out of it🎉
I do think that if you're trying to actually sell a game, then you should play more games. But most developers are just hobbyists, and so they can do whatever they want. But if they decide one day to stick their finger out and say "I want YOU to play My game." Well if that's the case, you better know what kind of games I like.
Only if devs want to try and my a genre defying masterpiece
Awesome video. Love how straightforward your style is
Thank you
Devs should play less games and make more experiences outside games. Inspiration and creativity increase as you look out of your specific field.
This too. I’m continually inspired by books, travel, and other creative hobbies I have that give me ideas for my game… but that was beyond the scope of the video. Go play UFO 50 and tell me you aren’t inspired to take a similar approach when making your own games. It’s about getting to know the depth of the craft through studying experts. The truly original ideas come from elsewhere and your raw creativity, but the know how, the ability to execute on those ideas in ways that pull players in, those skills are found within the medium.
Great video! Playing a variety of games is a good way to gain inspiration. Sometimes the best ideas just come from putting random things together that wouldn't normally be. My problem is not having the discipline to stick with a game project, even if the idea is good. Ideas, while important...are also cheap. I have dozens of unfinished projects from this year alone, and it's because I get bored and start a new one. Which, after a few weeks, means I look at those old projects and feel what I can best describe as a sense of mild dread/anxiety stemming from the complexity of what I created and having to re-aquaint myself with the whole thing before being able to make progress. And then that's when I decide to refactor the whole thing and start the project again, repeating the infinite process of unfinished game projects.
I understand this. I too have a pile of unfinished projects. The current game I’m working on is the 4th attempt at the game… but this one stuck… I think it’s because I was able to have some people play an early version of it and get some positive feedback. If you haven’t posted a playable version on itch or given it to friends… maybe try that? I’ve noticed after I do so, the discipline comes from others wanting me to make more, and it drives me to make something that they are excited for.
If your a game developer ufo 50 is a must play.
500%
This advice is stupidly simple and yet I think it may be true that majority of game developers don't play many games. Maybe they know games from courses, watched some streams but they don't have that much free time or are burnt out from crunch and don't want to. I think it's why modern AAA games are interactive movies with lacking gameplay. Another issue is that game devs don't learn from each other. There are so many simple, stupid design decisions. If you don't have resources to develop your own mechanics, or your UI sucks, then steal design from someone else and change it a little so as not to cause copyright infringement.
Especially when it comes to the simple design stuff. Great UI is everywhere and you won’t get in trouble for copying it because it isn’t the game! But it will make the game feel better to play
like the content! it's very informative and give insights
Thank you. Took some time away from developing to try something new. Glad you liked it!
Pls okay but someone buy all my wishlist. Only over 10k games :}
One game at a time homie 😂
Hmmmm, I played 250+ demos just this year, but I kinda disagree :D I think there's value to outsider art (which honestly Balatro could be) and for similar reasons? Like, how many game would you have to play to find a Moon Cat? Most games aren't reinventing their genre or coming up with new solutions. Playing a ton of games would most likely result in you thinking "oh okay, *that's* how you do this thing" and do the same thing as everyone else. I think it's more valuable to play specific games while looking for a specific thing (or in Balatro's case, finally playing Slay the Spire to figure out how they did controller support) that you're probably not even noticing unless you're looking for it, than to just randomly play games expecting to absord knowledge. Also! A lot of time you don't even need to play the games, just watching footage of it is enough. I think ultimately there's still a lot more things to do with games, and even the concept of mashing things together is still limiting what's possible, since it relies on stuff that already exist. I've mostly just made jam games but I almost always tried making something new, and yeah sometimes it doesn't work as well, and it's often not stuff that could be scaled up, but I think there's a lot of space for new things, not just tweaks. And even in that space, most people's instinct is to recreate things they love (which isn't bad, but that's how you get to a place where games do a lot of the same thing). I think the main problem is dev being inspired *exclusively* by games. That being said, I also think it's important to look at what similar games do yeah, for example I've seen a bunch of first time puzzle games kinda fail or miss obvious stuff because the dev didn't try other games in the genre. I think that's what makes good creators at this point, since it'll not just be about playing games, but knowing what needs to be incorporated in your game or not, and like everything with games, it depends on your goals. Turns out going against every modern puzzle knowledge went pretty well for Void Strangers, so yeah, if people have a clear and strong enough vision, it might also work out. Edit: I forgot but also yeah, I'd say variety is more important than volume. It's more interesting to see how different genre solve similar problems, what their respective conventions are, etc. than to play 10s of games in a similar genre and nothing else. Basically: I think playing lots of games can be a good practice, but it has to be conscious, and as exhaustive as possible for one person.
I agree with you. I think it also depends on the creator. I’m naturally drawn to new and wacky games I’ve never experienced because I’m looking for new ways of thinking about games, and not everyone is doing that. Variety is a good way to put it. Devs need to variety. This video was about playing and trying to give devs permissions and reasons to go play because I see so many not doing so. There are plenty of people shouting about game jams and being creative for its own sake… similarly because of the reality of being a nerd, I think outsider art will always happen… and I think it can happen on purpose if one constricts their gaming diet. On a base level devs should be playing some games just to know the basic language of games. But you are totally right about there being space and necessity for creativity and jam projects for their own sake. Games based on nothing often lead to really original ideas. However after you make these new ideas, they often need to polished and translated into what a modern audience expects in order for them to pop off.
... So you do know that every example of "going against the grain" that had anything meaningful to say or had any level of competent execution was done by people who actually knew what they were subverting, right? That so much sophomoric, juvenile, pretty much worthless art was done by people with no frame of reference who thought they knew better and were being unique, right?
@@mrultima9466 Why would you limit yourself to subversion though? Of course subversion implies knowing the tropes of the thing you're subverting. But outsider art isn't about surverting expectations. You're still thinking inside the box, you're just trying to roll it from the inside. Going into something thinking "alright, I'll try to figure this out on my own" is very different from "I don't care, I know better than everyone else" Anyways I think my initial comment considered both sides enough that it didn't warrant a categorical "every good art is made by people who knew the artform, everything else is worthless", so I wonder if you read pas the first line.
what if you play more games and develop very little 😂
As long as you’re happy that’s all that matters!
Does your game play well on Ubuntu/Linux Mint?
I don’t see why it wouldn’t but I haven’t tested it yet
For the value of advice you're giving and the quality of this video, you don't deserve to have only 200 subscribers
Glad to have people out like you watching! More to come 🫡
Also, thinking about an hypothetical "game dev course", I thought: "In literature college, we have mandatory books to read. Would there be a "mandatory games to play" in a game dev college?" and while that sounds like a good idea, games can be experienced in very different ways. You could force someone to play Super Metroid, but one person might read the manual and appreciate the level design, while most people can beat the entire game without knowing what a shinning spark is. So... How effective would that be? I say the same as the video: just play more games.
You gave me a video idea. Thank you 🙏
But that also happen with books, each person will have a different view of that same story
That's why it's valuable to share opinions with others and see their point of view
@FelipeViana-bg7h true, different people can extract different themes and motifs from books, changing even by their background or even current mood. Maybe the approach for a game design course could be just like with books: guide the students through first steps and let them find whatever they find... But we'll get the same problem: people not seeing themes unless it's spelled out for them... It's complicated.
That's why when there's documentaries from the 90s dev offices, there are arcade machines all around the cubicles. Those nerds LOVED gaming. Nowadays, making a game involves so many disciplines, that not all devs actually play games. But the best ones are still from nerds that wanna build something they'd have fun with.
I think building something that you’d have fun playing is a key part. If you’re not a gamer, how are you supposed to know if your game is fun?
They’d is exactly what I think makes Masahiro Sakurai a great game dev. He has played a TON of games of all different genres and quality, from retro to modern. And he has a deep understanding of the mechanics in said games. I’d also like to point out that the games don’t have to be popular or well received. Even obscure and/or “bad” games might have interesting ideas and mechanics to learn from and maybe even improve on.
Agreed
Dont lock yourself ever to one genre, or even try a genre your not comfortable with, because in that you may spot something as a solution that those who are numb to the genre will not notice, but it is the risk taking thats involved!
Totally agree!
I disagree. You just get the same things over and over and it becomes a feedback loop of arbitrary convention. The developers of Pokemon, Minecraft, and Zelda, for example, were inspired by real life, not other games, first and foremost. Your approach makes games stand out less because almost every indie game now is a quirki, "deep", shader-filled, genre-defying, hard-to-follow mess inspired by the same games every other game was. Celeste. Undertale. Minecraft. Hollow Knight. All with this fake sense of awe that you tell yourself these games make you feel. The more games you play, the more games stay the same.
You need to understand the rules to the break them. Also, Pokémon was itself based on the genre conventions laid out by dragon warrior. Zelda and Minecraft are very original but as both have grown In popularity the added genre conventions only help them to break more records. The best selling Zelda to date is heavily inspired by assassins creed. Yet the core is what remains innovative. One must understand the rules to break them.
@@Peebly You're missing an important part of what I wrote. It's a feedback loop. Games based on games based on games... it's a game of telephone, really. Conventions without knowing why they are followed, are of no value. You should study the formative early games before anything else if you're gonna learn the rules of video games. The games where form was borne out of the desired function. The games that created genres or created widely enjoyed extensions to the concept. Then you will know why games do things a certain way. The actual utility. Basing your games off other modern indie games that have already "broken the rules" will not teach you the rules. That will only teach you to make games in the currently fashionable style, without flexibility. Why not start with a basic, simple game concept, as clean as chess? The essence of the kind of game you want. Then encounter the design questions for yourself and find your own answers! That's where you will find creativity.
bro are you okay
@@poleve5409 What a strange comment to leave. Of course I am. Am I not okay because I disagreed with this video and had my own ideas? Are we supposed to be an echo chamber?
@@TheBcoolGuy that's not what I meant but I don't feel like explaining
To butcher a Quote, "I am not great man, I stand on the Shoulders of Giants" If you're not playing other games and seeing and understanding their good ideas, you'll be unable to improve them in your own game.
100%
Crush crush jumpscare
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I play a shitload of games :) good video!
Keep up the good work 🫡
Ive been in a game playing slump since starting on a project a few months back, but this video made me inspired to start a new one. def think its what i needed.
Glad to hear. It’s nice to feel like playing games can be useful instead of a waste
It's true. I've been told many times in my career in the industry that I have a very good "game sense", and that is primarily something that comes with playing a lot of games, thinking about those games, and particularly the mechanics and design choices of those games. Notice also that I specifically say games, plural, and not just one game for a long time. That could be useful if you are trying to work on that specific game, but you will have blind spots and may also miss a lot of lessons that could be learned from other genres. Unfortunately this "game sense" is not something that translates well to a job resume, and also is hard to justify to the head up share holders etc. So people are hardly ever hired for this ability. Once in, however, it will do wonders to set you apart.
That’s really cool. Game sense is a good term for it. Sad that there isn’t a way to put it on a resume or to use it to help you get a job.
I wish I liked creating more than playing.
I was thinking about this too. Nothing wrong with playing. If you really want to make something you’ll do it
100% agree. I've been a variety gamer for over 27 years, and a dev for about 6, and I definitely feel like it's been a tremendous advantage for me to have the gaming experience I have when it comes to developing my own game. I think it's kind of like tasting a bunch of different food when learning how to cook. By tasting a variety of different recipes and ingredients, you start to build a palette and a repertoire of knowledge on how different ingredients work, or don't work together. Then you can use that knowledge to improve upon an existing recipe, create a new spin on something familiar, or create a whole new dish entirely, and you'll be able to do it much easier than if you had only eaten a handful of different things.
I’m loving the analogy and couldn’t agree more. It’s less about trying to copy other things and more about building up a foundational knowledge of the craft. Cooking is an apt analogue.
I don't play many AAA games that I hear about, because money. But there are way many itchio games that are free and original.
Exactly. Plenty of free awesome games out there to get inspired by!
Playing games is to developing them as laughing is to telling jokes.
Love this. Well put!
You didn't happen to say that as a criticism, did you?
2:17 yah 99.9% of devs don't care about this. The industry is overwhelmingly occupied by ground floor jobbers and non gamer execs.
Agreed