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Very interesting discussion. I read this book called "the democratic state: critique of bourgeois sovereignty" by Karl Held about ten years ago which is one of the most scathing criticisms of the democratic constitutional state legitimating program in the modern world I've come across. It's not simply a criticism of the language of it, but of its inner logic, about how everything gets framed as "how the state ought to be" instead of explaining what it actually is in reality. The book shows how behind all the high language about democracy, freedom, human rights and all the liberal democratic sacred cows lies the banal truth of private property and class domination. I was trying to see if there were any other criticisms of the concept as such, but never found much. As the second speaker in the video points out, sovereignty is a dogma and fetish. So, this video is refreshing. Here is the book I mentioned: en.gegenstandpunkt.com/books/democratic-state I had also come across this book by Domenico Losurdo "liberalism: a counter-history", which outlines the brutal exterminationist politics of many of the liberals, as well as many of the self-edifying mythologies about the foundation of the USA. But Losurdo in the end thinks sovereignty and national-liberation, or certain aspects of the liberal tradition, has a rational liberatory core that can be used by oppressed peoples in their struggles against domination. So, he does not end up being as radical or fundamental as the Gegenstandpunkt book. Recently there has been much fuss in the US about recently supreme court rulings, saying that democracy is in trouble, turning into fascism and that the "constitution" and "rule of law" is under attack. So I started thinking about some of these justifications for the sacrality of the constitution that I learned in high school: "it is not arbitrary, but written down and codified-- consented to by the people". Why is a written down document somehow more legitimate than a spoken agreement? The mere fact of writing it down gives it some kind of legitimacy? Absurd! And this idea that the formation of the state and its constitution was really some social contract or act of rational deliberation or consensus with everyone? Who counted as belonging to the "people". White property owners and slavers. But now everyone can vote, so it's on an "upward" path of "progress" and is beyond reproach. The state "limits itself"-- but to what?! Its own self-decreed laws. Are those laws really any less filled with domination? Doubtful.

Continuing to listen, real food for understanding myself as an Indigenous near 80 yr old woman. Thanks. (Updown thinker I am not and ~ years later, off reserve, I still talk to the birds and animals and Creator). Hannora, Mohawk Woman, Indian Residential School in Canada Survivor too. Megwich

Just saw this today april 8 2024 when watching Airspace and listened to podcast When the Sun Went Out re the Haudenosaunee Confederacy and the treaty signed on a full Solar eclipse day in not 1600 but earlier 1102 (Peacemaker/Seneca NY State) Today I hear Iroquois were in Ohio too. I was born on 6nations 80 years ago. Intriguing information Prof Mann. Thank you. Hannora

Constintean didn't modify Christianity. He rewrote it! Oh you want to be Christians? Well here you can have my version. Jesus Christ was a Buddhist. Money is a psychological criminal weapon that has been used to enslave Humanity and take over organizations, such as countries. You really don't need a college degree to understand it. Economy! Somthing to worry about! A psychological weapon. The financial sector! The place where all of the criminal activity starts! If Humanity united and refused to ever use money again. The WARMONGERING Capitalists would be pauper 's . The economy, something to use to change the subject when people start talking about Ecology. The only real answer I can find. 62 years of looking is; a work for entitlement civilization. Everyone does his job . This keeps the civilization up and running. No money, no bills, no taxes, no mortgage. Everything is free as long as you do your job. Any education, anything. It's your civilization. Because there is no money! Your not limited by the lack of money. No money is needed to start your own company. No discrimination! No bought and paid for politicians! UTOPIA!

I believe your take on global power is mistaken the United States government doesn't even run the United States. London the Roman colony does. The Investment bankers. The wealth of Rome. Kingdom Europe! NATO. It's still Rome ! Look at a map of Europe. Look at the relationship between Rome and Zurich. If you were Rome wouldn't Switzerland be a grand place to hide your I'll gotten gain. International money runs the world. They own the political parties everywhere. Unite Humanity! Do like the Deer do go around the predator. Starve the predator by all means at your disposal. Unite Humanity, End money, start a work for entitlement civilization. I see this as workable.

To my understanding a sovereign nation is it's own country.

The Celts, Holy men were all murdered by the Capitalist Roman's. Slottered . It's money not race!

More white people would show up at pow wow's except for the psychological brainwashing that is the Western movie. In the back of their misunderstanding minds It's the war path! I know this sounds silly, but that's the nature of being brainwashed.

Most white people love you but are afraid of you because you keep blaming all of us for what capitalism does. They are oppressing all of us. As long as they can keep us divided, we lose.

Look at European history. Every tribe everything that wasn't Roman got the brutal treatment. What I'm saying is that if white people knew their own history and were aware of it. We would all have Capitalistic Christianity as the oppressor! So white, Red , Black or Yellow. Capitalism is your oppressor. It's not a white conspiracy it's greed personified.

I'm a person of Northern Scottish decent. I'm a Human Being, and so is everyone else. I would like to approach the Humanitarian disfinction on this planet From this point of view. What can we do to help ourselves when ourselves is all of Humanity? Because the fix must be a all inclusive understanding that ends the disfunction! I hope we can agree on this. Because nothing is ever going to get fixed with a us vs them attitude. The Indigenous people are globally more powerful than they realize, but we have all been victimized by the same system. The Turtle Island Indigenous only got in on the last 500 years of this Capitalist plague. We were all once a planet of tribes. None of us were Christians. We Europeans didn't want Christianity either. It was forced upon us too. Much longer ago. The white people in the military weren't doing anything different than your people did in the first and second world war. This doesn't mean we liked or agreed with it. Your people experienced the same thing as our people did. John Trudell speaks of this and nailed it. We , you me and all of Humanity working together building the world that must be built to save all life on this planet . Governments can be taken over. A United Humanity cannot be. I see the Thirteen Grandmother's and think to myself that the Turtle Island Indigenous are the only people in this position because the Turtle Island Indigenous still have their identity and morality. Although it like out beliefs and languages is fading. I believe Christianity was ment to turn everyone into livestock. A tribe of tribes. A federation like you had to begin with. Only global. Good faith. If Humanity can unite outside of the government's Humanity can be it's own government. Isn't this called Democracy? Isn't that what it's supposed to be. I look at Human history and all I see in the last 6000 years I'd divide and conquer by the Capitalists and their money. How about unite and survive. How about embracing and understanding differences instead of condemnation ? We are all made of the Earth Mother so is all life on this planet. We are all related we are all connected. . We must learn to care about and for each other. I don't think the tribal division of anything among the Indigenous people is anyone's business except for the Tribes. Sovereignty is making your own decisions and not having any other entity tell you what you can and can't do. Humanity is Humanity, and everyone is the part of Humanity that they are. Tribal identity is the best thing for all . Because this is who we are this is how the Universe knows us. Love and peace to all.

Very informative

Stop playing with your pen

Very good discussion. Topic brand new, interest of affected population zero level..but very very important for the decolonized populations to understand and awaken....

Is the guest white?

This is so awk

Amazing

This is SO important, thank you! So happy also to see Dr. Mann on!

Thank you!