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Great video. Very cool to hear them side by side. That said, I found Wright much more convincing. And I really didn't agree at all with what McArthur was saying about fear.

They are both right, though. Substitutionary atonement is definitely a principle taught by all New Testament authors, as well as old. God's wrath is always on all sinners. God hates the wicked every day, as the Psalmist says, and the curse of God remains upon all unbelievers according to Paul. God's wrath was poured out on Christ, and He took it willingly. What is also true is that God's love is shown through Christ because God came and died for us through and in Christ, in order to save us from hell and future judgment by God. They are both teaching Christ and Him crucified, but they come at it from a different focus: NT Wright focusing on mercy, and Mcarthur focusing on justice, and we need both in order to understand the full gospel.😊

I listened to both speak and got more from John than Tom. Most people do not need to go on a Theological joy ride to understand the Bible. There is no way to be saved other than Jesus Christ going to the cross in substitution for us as individuals, I call it individual responsibility to a Divine accomplishment. He became sin for us and God reconciled Himself to us at the cross and gave to us the faith needed to believe in the crucifed one. What Jesus Christ did at the cross for us is above every other model of salvation man can present. I trust both men are saved.

For those hating on John, just remember he shares the opinion of the reformers that used the Bible as the final authority. This is during the time the Catholics would kill you for having a Bible in your language or not accepting their rules. John MacArthur might sound hateful but he’s not wrong. Anglicans are just Catholics with a twist to appeal to reformers. Nothing new from NT Wright. Try Lloyd jones if you want someone other than MacArthur

I like JM but compared to NT Wright, Wright has a greater grasp on Biblical truth. JM has not studied the Bible at the same level as NT. I hate when there's such criticism except when it's zbout falss teachers, i.e., prosperity peddlers, faith healers, ect.

I do not understand the common criticism that N.T. Wright’s writings are “not clear.” He is very clear! Thank God for N.T. Wright; he seems to really understand the Gospel and communicates it thoughtfully.

And how did Jesus condemn sin? Through an act of grace in spite of it.

I think the problem here is that John MacArthur is grabbing 'soundbites' and 'headliners' by selecting parts of Wright's rather long explanations that have to be followed through properly, and instead of listening to what Wright is actually explaining, making his 'headliners' and 'soundbites' the focus of Wright's meaning. In other words MacArthur may be selectively lifting some of Wright's words and presenting them "out of the context" of Wright's thoughts. Obviously anyone doing this will end up presenting '5' if he sees the sum 5 + 5 = but ignores the "+ 5" .....hence concluding the wrong answer! I don't think Wright is denying the basic tenants of faith, but he is certainly someone who requires patient listening to in order to understand what he is saying. I note that MacArthur stated early on in the video, that he "didn't understand what Wright believes in"....and that is because he really hasn't taken the time required to understand him! .....at least that is distinctly the impression that I have gained by watching this video.

Many comments here seem to suggest J.Mac is angry....Maybe? But upon listening to him quote NT.Wright I was utterly flabbergasted at NT.Wright's theology. Listening to him being quoted from his own sources appears to be astoundingly heretical. Wright comes across as sincere, but I think he is sincerely wrong. I think J.Mac (if angry) has good reason because its offensive to him to hear God being so misrepresented. And wouldn't you be angry if I misrepresented you? Be angry and do not sin....is a perfectly acceptable position to hold. I don't see J.mac sinning in highlighting the incorrect position of NT.Wrights teachings. The issue here is not whether we interpret J.Mac (as angry) - that is to lose sight of the whole point he is making. J.Mac is highlighting what he believes is incorrect teaching, and that's the real issue. To lose sight of this is to be side tracked into judging a personality rather than the theology and its correct or incorrect application. Cheers :)

McArthur is so dishonest in the way he does a bait and switch… “he rejects substitutionary atonement, he rejects Jesus as the sacrifice God chose to take away our sins.”

NT Wright is right on with his analysis of the crucifixion. Jesus dying for our sins is overly simplistic and loses a lot of people. It doesn't make sense on its face because God could simply forgive our sins without Jesus. Jesus is God in the flesh, and in God's suffering he establishes a new law, a blood covenant. Now, we can know God, know that God knows what it's like to be a person, and through that personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ we can know how to live. Macarthur isn't necessarily wrong, but there are multiple layers (and an immense depth) to the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Macarthur's approach is probably very off-putting to prospective believers, agnostics, curious people, etc.

John is a heretic. I pray for him to come to realize that.

I think it's sad how many of these coments throw stones at Macarthur while simultaneously accusing him of throwing stones at Wright. It never ends.😣

Lordship Salvation, Cessationism, Disponsationalism = Philosophy not Doctrine

NT Wright is brilliant. 👏👏👏

Among women, this would be called "bitching", and among men with bruised egos, it seems to be a turf war that is often fought among "cultured" theologians via the so-called "rabies theologorum = fury of theologians". Unfortunately, this happens especially in religious debates, which is probably why discussing "religion & politics" is not welcome in certain places. Good John McArthur is probably pissed off because an equal opponent isn't talking his way, isn't he? It certainly seems that way! I find McArthur's reaction ridiculous and deeply disrespectful! Why does this witness of Christ come right out with a hammer and claim that the New Testament scholar is "going to hell"? Has McArthur perhaps forgotten that biblical texts can be understood in different ways & that God always seeks the good in people? A very impressive example is Rom 8:28, where God allows ALL things to work together for good: οἴδαμεν δὲ ὅτι τοῖς ἀγαπῶσιν τὸν θεὸν πάντα συνεργεῖ εἰς ἀγαθόν! But maybe it was just a misunderstanding? Hahaha, now hear this joke: Misunderstanding Between Husband And Wife... A wife comes home late one night and quietly opens the door to her bedroom. From under the blanket, she sees four legs instead of just her husband's two. She reaches for a baseball bat and starts hitting the blanket as hard as she can. Once she's done, she goes to the kitchen to have a drink. As she enters, she sees her husband there, reading a magazine. He says, "Hi darling, your parents have come to visit us, so let them stay in our bedroom. Did you say hello?" Kindest regards from a German retired Lutheran minister.

It's not an accusation. Wright denies penal substitution. Fact.

John MacArthur refutes NT with one verse after NT’s false comments about the Gospel. You removed it from this video, was that on purpose? This was the verse: “Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand,” (1 Corinthians 15:1, NASB) NT doesn’t agree with Paul the Apostle’s statement, that’s enough for me to reject anything/ everything he says.

Sometimes the problem is between the headphones and not the music they are playing. 😉

N.T. Wrong? It's. not just Johnnie Mac who has come to this conclusion. R.C. Sproul, James White , Wayne Grudem, Derick Thomas and other notables who also have videos arriving at the same conclusion. Someone here in the comments stated that Wright requires someone with a high degree of critical thinking to understand just what he is espousing. I read him in the '80's. What he writes today not only confuses what he wrote back then but contradicts it. He obfuscates the gospel. That is NOT how the gospel origins are presented. Yes, the gospel is not simplistic. However, it is simple. I just finished a 2 wk study on the inclusio, "descended into Hades." I know what mystical confusion is. I fear that is the avenue that N.T. W. has now taken. He is a brilliant man. But that doesn't equate to mean he isn't confused or confusing.

MacArthur is correct

"The truth is not found in may words..." Proverbs 10:19. Wright has never been very straightforward in interpreting the Bible...instead he tells stories of what he believe the Biblical writer meant...instead of what they were saying to the audience at that time.

“Yet he himself bore our sicknesses, and he carried our pains; but we in turn regarded him stricken, struck down by God, and afflicted. But he was pierced because of our rebellion, crushed because of our iniquities; punishment for our peace was on him, and we are healed by his wounds. We all went astray like sheep; we all have turned to our own way; and the Lord has punished him for the iniquity of us all.” ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭53‬:‭4‬-‭6‬ ‭CSB‬‬ ^^^ STRUCK DOWN BY GOD

John is simply slandering N.T. Wright

Why does John lie so much

John MacArthur is exactly right about N.T. Wrong. I disagree with MacArthur about Calvinism but on the essentials of the faith and cultural issues he is biblically sound. He stands for the truth of the gospel and against error and false doctrine. The Bible says 1 Timothy 4:1 KJV Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Timothy 4:3 KJV For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; N.T. Wright is a heretic whose teachings should be rejected and his books burned.

I find Wright equally confusing, but I'd come to the conclusion that he tells stories & then uses those stories to justify his opinions.

Johnny Mac, GO HOME😂

Slow down the video and you will clearly understand that NT is presenting a new teaching… brothers beware… do not be persuaded by the flowery words, examine the contents, it sounds christian but it is clearly not

When MacArthur honest enough to say where's the fear where's the dread where is that in the book of Acts I mean if she teach her to dread God when do you know he's no longer an angry God I mean how do you teach second Corinthians is he reconciled is he giving his son I mean I think dread is something that I have but I don't want to have it

Praise God for J Mac

Wright's "God the bully" is a straw man argument. God's Wrath appears in the New Testament alone over 30 times. How do you sanitize that?

Man, how many people have the same story, " I used to Love John Mcauthor and now I don't , because of this reason , this reason, this reason, it is kind of sad, I just can't watch him anymore at all, he comes across as a bitter man, who disagrees with everybody in the Christian Religion , he lacks humility, grace, and tears the Christian Faith apart. I wished his eyes could be open and change some of his preaching habits. I think Calvanism as a whole has had a huge part in it, but it is something else within him that just comes across as soo unforgiving.

This Wright guy is so wrong. He's double talking about everything.

What is the sin that brought God's wrath on mankind? This is the question that CV proponents as Wright fear to answer.

_ JOHN3:36: 'Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him'. GOD IS INDEED ANGRY. SO WRIGHT IS PLAIN WRONG!

Woke English Church.

MacArthur is a merely a politician who has perfected the invalidated and straw manned smear. He lacks intellectual honesty and humility to have conversation and discussion that exists outside the bounds of his own concretized opinion.

Wright seems to explain the panal substitution at the end of this video (this he clearly rejects though). His understanding of atonement only explains what justification mean for the whole Israel, then for the whole humanity. He needs to say something on what it means for individuals. He might avoid this as western ideology of individualism. However, the Bible (Jesus and the apostles) actually dealt with this in their teaching and ministries.

The problem with Reformed Theologians is there absolutely neurotic obsession with denying deconstruction. They literally only read or notice the part of a person’s perspective that deconstructs traditional dogma, but never listen to what they have to say in the reconstruction. They only get to know their defectors by a series of negations, by what they are not.

You become just like the God you truly believe in ...

N.T. Write is a man of God, he studies deeply to understand the scriptures! J.M needs to study more deeply because the scriptures doesn’t present gospel as human laws but one with love.

Tom wright is the best theologian ever ❤️🙏

JMA is no narrow and strict in his dogma that he often misses what others are actually saying because he can’t get past the fact that they are saying something slightly different than what he believes

settle down, JMac

I believe the Jesus preached in the USA is more and more a different Jesus to the bible!

What the heck? John macarthur says what doesnt exist in the church today is fear. Where are the terrified people? This is exactly why so many people in this generation are deconstructing. Who wants to be apart of a religion that is based on fear and the sinner being terrified? I lived this way for many years. It was awful and pure misery. It is no way to live.

As someone new to N.T. Wright I get the perspective he wants a Christianity without the supernatural. A materialist only Christianity framed up in a metaphorical interpretation of scriptures so as to avoid the appearance of Christianity "looking like a pagan religion". I can see why such a view appeals to so many. Ironically, I find myself going in the opposite direction and believing maybe the pagans were onto something (so are the occultist) but whereas they seek transference of life from the taking of other's lives, Jesus gives it by offering his own.

IDK. Anyone who wears those creepy Jim Jones style tinted glasses has cult leader written all over them. 🤦🏻‍♂️

John MacArthur and others like him suffer from the "sin of certainty" and this sin manifests itself in a complete unwillingness (and it is an act of the will) to honestly and with theological integrity engage biblical study that includes examination of translation issues, the complexity of Paul's theology, the context in which the Gospels and Epistles were written and the issues they were addressing and on and on. It is rich, that MacArthur accuses N.T. Wright of pridefulness in his teaching. It's been a while since I've seen pridefulness of certainty so fully on display as with this clip of MacArthur. If he doesn't acknowledge "mystery" in God's ways, he himself has put God into a Western Enlightenment shaped box in which "fear, terror, torture", etc. (to use MacArthur's words) are the essence of faith. Not a very helpful "gospel" for a world that is in desperate need of "Kingdom bringers" (to coin an N.T. Wright phrase).