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I'm freely reading this at home and will be following these instructions 😅

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The word person means mask, and it is the face of God, the trinity is a barbaric doctrine. I Am The Messiah

8:07 😂😂 wow I didn’t realise it it was good

Thank you Dr. Sanders! That was very helpful! I have greatly appreciated your work on the Trinity and this outline is a great resource for considering Ephesians!

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I’m 68 years old. In college I studied history and philosophy because I wanted to understand the world. Now I’m retired and still want to understand the world. I am now making a concerted effort to study the classics.

amazing thank you! do you perhaps have tips on how to note down poetry books?

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Good solid outline, Professor! I haven't seen you in a while. It's good to have you back. Of course, I am a fan of your camera work on Phoebe's channel!

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No books were meant to be skmmed.

I remember reading it in intro to Xenophon that “Every schoolboy knows the tale of 10,000”. Now, no kids do. Ahhg, progressive

illy-add, not illyerd!

What the speaker doesn’t realize is that even those of us who AREN'T Torrey Honors Students can see this video! He literally just gave out this knowledge FOR FREE! LOL

Since the Iliad begins with the assumption that kidnapped women are considered approved war prizes to rape and fight over, it is very difficult for me to find value in it.

This is excellent advice. The Iliad is one of those books that is best heard aloud. While it is a slow process, listening to at least part of it on a good audiobook pays dividends.

One more tip-avoid Emily Wilson's translation like the plague. Richmond Lattimore might be a better choice if you are reading for school. On a first pass, if you are reading for pleasure, Robert Fagel is a better choice.

Did the Trojan War have anything to do with the Greeks attacking because Troy controlled the Dardanelles (Hellespont) and charged Greeks large tolls for crossing?

These are good tips! Just watched this after reading the Iliad for the 2nd time. 1st time was 20 or so years ago in college for an introduction to Greece course. This time I got to really enjoy reading the book at my own pace and actually did some of your tips intuitively (I did a paragraph Summary for each book) and got a lot more out of it this time with the rereading. Made me want to go back to college 😅!

it's kind of funny, I'm reading through the Iliad because of a personal fascination with Greek mythology but I do think these tips will help me enjoy it more.

That's great advice. I've found it hard going but a good story. Had to work hard to get to follow who's who and the general direction of the story and I'm not far in! Gonna start again and do it your way. Thanks

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1:50 Dr Sanders, which annotated translation/edition is best for Iliad and for Odyssey? [Preferably paperback]

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Lord, simply explode my mind that it may be large and humble enough to enjoy this revelation of yourself. Lord, what else is there if I'm not included in your guys' feast 🎉🎉🎉

I love early- and mid- twentieth century translations.

No point without Greek.

Thanks for these. I really enjoy the careful discussion. How about doing John of Damascus on the Trinity? Boethius? some of the older things?

#1 Learn Greek.

The Iliad changed me as a person and as a reader. It opened the door to the ancient world for me and I only continue to fall down the ancient literature rabbit hole.

read it in greek I did a translation disloves the original as David Ferry observed for example line one menin means anger but it is different from say xolos which also means anger menin is a divine anger -- never comes through in transation

This is all Greek to me , but I’m fascinated.

I'm having a very hard time following the meter and cadence of the work. When I took a class that covered Homer and Virgil in college years ago, it was made much easier for me to follow along, but without the assistance of a professor, I can't seem to find that flow alone. I'm reading Fagles' translation.

I'm so thankful for you posting these, leading us into deeper thoughts about and appreciation for our God.

The thing that helped me finally read the Illiad was reading the beautifully illustrated graphic novel by Gareth Hinds along with the real book. I would read the graphic novel chapter which was shortened but actually not by too much first. Then I would immediately read the regular chapter. And it made reading the prose so much easier. I didn't feel lost, because I could literally remember the images from the graphic novel which helped me know what was going on better. It was shocking how fast I got through it. Not because I was rushing, but just because it didn't feel painful at all. I also put some Game of Thrones music by Ramin Djawadi (Winterfell Snowfall at Dusk) in the background while I read both. Helped my brain a lot too to not get bored and to focus more.

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The sad misinformed Protestants can't you scripture language can you

You make a mockery of scripture

No such biblical phrase as eternal generation

My personal tip is to annotate as you go. Find small bit of comedy sprinkled in the misery of war. Diomedes trading his shitty armor for expensive armor while the recipient is none the wiser comes to mind. But if you can’t find much comedy from Homer’s words, annotate comedy yourself! As the story goes, find a favorite character. They may live, they may die, but either way they’ll give you a checkpoint of enjoyment as you go through it. Keep in mind I am not a professional, nor am I a classicist. I’m just someone who really enjoys these stories. Happy reading! ❤

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Why. I have no idea why anyone would read this stuff ?

I have only read the Samuel Butler translation. Any others recommended?

Loving these videos. And especially the video thumbnails!

I would like to emphasize the 'read out loud' part. The Iliad is full of BEAUTIFUL words and sentences. Really imagine you're an epic poet, and recite it out loud once in a while. It's powerful. "Elphenor Calcanthida, magnanimous King of the Abantes."

Thanks, really helpful video.

You provide your students with some great tips for a first complete reading of The Iliad, but, as a literary scholar and author of Pitiless Bronze: A Postpatriarchal Examination of Prepatriarchal Cultures, not to mention having taught college students for 34 years, allow me to recommend one particular critical idea not often recommended to first time readers of the poem to incite some added interest, but also one tip for reading the poem that has recently become a tool that many are not aware of. First, the critical idea: Rage, that muse called upon in the very first line of the poem, is a goddess, a minor goddess named Lyssa, but still a goddess. She's one form of battle goddess because rage enables human beings to pitilessly murder other human beings. Why would Homer start with her and ask her to focus on Achilles? Hint: think school shootings in America. Second, your professor wants you to read, which is commendable, but reading the whole thing is missing the experience that HOMER INTENDED. Remember, he came from an oral tradition, and the poem, which would have been recited for decades if not centuries in various bits and pieces prior to the poem being written down, was PERFORMANCE ART. While you can find various actors reading bits aloud on TH-cam, I recommend you open one of the other translations of the poem available for free here, www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/2199, and copy the text into Word, then use Word's Read Aloud reader to LISTEN to the poem AS YOU READ IT. Listening to the poem read aloud (even by a bot voice) while you read it will not only enhance the overall experience, but it will also make the story much more dynamic and interesting, so you can, truly, imagine yourself at a public forum in ancient Greece listening to the epic poem performed aloud. This kind of experience was their tv or online streaming--entertainment--and all the Greek listeners, and many of the non-Greek listeners, would have also known a lot about the characters in the story, so some would have noticed, for instance, that the goddess Hestia, goddess of the hearth who was honored every time someone lit a flame and cooked food (such as when the hecatomb of cattle are sacrificed toward the start), IS NOT MENTIONED at all in this story, something I discuss in my book, Pitiless Bronze. I've read 8 different interpretations of The Iliad, and the interpreters' biases creep into their translations, and Latimer has his, so be certain to question everything as you enjoy the story.

The Father is the ONLY true God and God’s spirit testifies that fact in our hearts. 1 John 3:21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God; If you want to see proof do this: Begin an earnest prayer with “Father God” and pay attention to your heart as you speak the prayer. Now begin an earnest prayer with “Son God”. See the difference. Finally, begin an earnest prayer with “Spirit God”. Now you have evidence that the Father is the ONLY true God, as Jesus told us in John 17:3 For those of you that say, they felt no difference. The next time you have an opportunity to pray aloud with a body of believers, start the prayer out with “Son God“ and see how that goes over with the other believers. Now go re-read 1 John 3:21. May the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of Glory, open the eyes and ears, and hearts of the truly humble to hear the words God put in Jesus’ mouth.

How can one be so delusional to think he can expect young adults to meaningfully read the Iliad in full as preparation ? Only a school teacher.