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This Week in Testing - Episode 44 - 24 May, 2024
Welcome to episode forty-four of "This Week in Testing," your go-to community radio show hosted by Simon Tomes and testing community members. This week, Simon was joined by co-host AJ Wilson.
🔹 Episode Highlights:
Introduction:
* Reflecting on our journey towards episode fifty.
* Welcoming new and returning listeners.
* Overview of the weekly debrief and community interactions.
Discussion on Recent Testing Planet Event:
* Overview of yesterday's Testing Planet event called "The Toolsmith."
* Highlights from Kat’s story on automation decision-making.
* Encouraging listeners to catch the talk on ministryoftesting.com in the coming weeks.
Community Wins:
* Celebrating the vibrant discussions on the essentials of testing.
Origin Stories:
* Inspiring career transitions shared by community members.
* Highlighting unique paths into the world of software testing.
* Encouraging listeners to share their own origin stories on the club forum.
Community Discussions and Posts:
* Engaging threads on niche testing experiences and defining what a software tester is.
* Thought-provoking questions from Justin Moss on dev/QA ratios.
* Shout-out to Mahathee Dandibhotla and Nazneen Ahmad for their contributions to the community.
Collections and Posts:
* New collections like the Community’s Guide to Quality Engineering.
* Encouraging listeners to explore the treasure trove of resources on Ministry of Testing.
Tools and Innovations:
* A deep dive into the features and benefits of Bruno, a promising new tool for API testing.
* Comparing Bruno with Postman and discussing the importance of supporting community-driven tools.
Upcoming Events:
* Previewing the Toolsmith episode of The Testing Planet.
* Announcing meetups in various cities and highlighting the Office Hours initiative.
Fun and Lighthearted Moments:
* Sharing niche testing stories, from high heels to mobile operating systems.
Thank you for tuning in! If you enjoyed this episode, don’t forget to join us live every Friday! Visit ministryoftesting.com/events to see the latest upcoming episodes.
🎭 Those On Stage
* Jenna Charlton
* Aj Wilson
* Ben Dowen
* Nataliia Burmei
* Lee Marshall
* Mahathee Dandibhotla
* Lina Kulakova
⏱️ Timestamped Chapters:
0:00:00 (Introduction)
0:00:39 (Discussion on Recent Testing Planet Event)
0:05:22 (Discussion on Developer to Tester Ratios)
0:06:22 (Variations in Testing Team Setups)
0:08:24 (Identity and Transition in Testing Roles)
0:09:35 (Personal Experience in Test Lead Role)
0:11:19 (Disillusionment in Senior Testing Roles)
0:13:09 (Struggle with Role Identity)
0:15:31 (Sharing Experiences in Test Management)
0:18:28 (Challenges in Reporting Structure)
0:24:54 (Identity and Community Involvement)
0:26:26 (Insights on Engineering Managers' Role)
0:31:134 (Proposal for Poll on Reporting Structure)
0:33:10 (Diverse Reporting Structures)
0:34:46 (Ministry of Testing Newsletter)
0:35:58 (Global Accessibility Awareness Day)
0:36:43 (Encouraging Public Speaking)
0:38:12 (Community Groups and Meetups
0:39:07 (Events and Confidence Building)
0:41:23 (Speaking at Work and Overcoming Anxiety)
0:44:19 (Starting with Small Steps)
0:46:04 (LinkedIn and Opportunities for Speaking)
0:51:15 (Recognition and Awards for Mahathee's Work)
0:54:30 (Mentoring and Structured Approach to Speaking)
0:56:12 (Lina's Experience with Public Speaking)
0:59:15 (The Art of Storytelling)
0:59:58 (Thank you and here's how to get involved)
🌐 Join the Conversation:
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* Follow us on LinkedIn - www.linkedin.com/company/ministry-of-testing
* Become a member at - ministryoftesting.com/membership
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  • @pudercukurs
    @pudercukurs หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you

  • @ematta
    @ematta หลายเดือนก่อน

    We should not fear AI but look forward to it removing the cruft so we can properly investigate issues and implement solutions.

  • @rothbardfreedom
    @rothbardfreedom 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Soft Skills: The Software Developer's Life Manual" John Sonmez

    • @MinistryofTesting
      @MinistryofTesting 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the recommendation :)

  • @danieljuhlkristensen1259
    @danieljuhlkristensen1259 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You reference a book in the begining, what book is it you're recommending here?

    • @MinistryofTesting
      @MinistryofTesting 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Building Successful Communities of Practice: Discover How Connecting People Makes Better Organisations by Emily Webber. www.amazon.co.uk/Building-Successful-Communities-Practice-Organisations-ebook/dp/B01BYH07P0/ref=sr_1_1

  • @Horshack187
    @Horshack187 ปีที่แล้ว

    In terms of easy it is to test a system I’d add if there are hooks built into the platform for testing. Additionally, is the system being built TDD? Two things you want to see in a platform for testing.

    • @MinistryofTesting
      @MinistryofTesting ปีที่แล้ว

      Excellent examples. I personally find if good TDD is being practised then hooks for testing emerge naturally. - Mark

  • @rothbardfreedom
    @rothbardfreedom ปีที่แล้ว

    Sprints are mini-waterfall.

    • @MinistryofTesting
      @MinistryofTesting ปีที่แล้ว

      What makes you say that? I know I have faced my fair share of Wagile contexts, but I've also been in teams where we took each story at a time in a collaborative fashion and reacted to end user changes as we released. - Mark

  • @mirzasisic
    @mirzasisic ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey I actually applied Pirate Tester's advice: in my second company I spoke at the internal meetup, which was less scary since the audience was smaller and I knew everyone in the audience. Later when I did that same talk at a bigger public meetup and had already re-hersed it in a "product-like" environment and went really smoothly! It's a very good peace of advice!!

    • @MinistryofTesting
      @MinistryofTesting ปีที่แล้ว

      Great story Mirza. Personally it's something I've done for a long time when preparing my own talks. I share 'draft' versions that are shorter and a bit rougher around the edges. It helps me get comfortable with material and solicit useful feedback on what to add and what to improve. - Mark

  • @PaulGrossmanTheDarkArtsWizard
    @PaulGrossmanTheDarkArtsWizard ปีที่แล้ว

    Mark manual test Jira tickets as “Automatable” and later “Automated” or “not-Automatable” Add the manual test Jira Ticket link(s) to the Allure results. Strive for 80% coverage before moving to next subcategory.

  • @zshn
    @zshn ปีที่แล้ว

    If your org's development strategy is API first, then yes. If not, then prioritize UI performance testing. Testing should cater to customers first. In an API-first strategy, the customers are developers, therefore API testing should be prioritized. In a non-API-first strategy, the customers are users who interact with your org's product using a UI, therefore UI testing should be prioritized.

    • @MinistryofTesting
      @MinistryofTesting ปีที่แล้ว

      Context is always key in these types of discussions which you're demonstrating in your comment @zshn. It could be both could be prioritised and carried out at the same time, but we need the right skills, experience and support. That all has a huge impact on our decisions. - Mark

  • @mirzasisic
    @mirzasisic ปีที่แล้ว

    I really like that MoT has been active on all fronts lately!

  • @Paitent12345
    @Paitent12345 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are actually talking about test plans. Test strategy should be pretty general and does not have to be specific. It is a general approach from which specific test plans are derived. Thus, test strategy could and IMHO should be very brief and general. If you need anything specific, than one should ask about test plans, not strategy.

    • @MinistryofTesting
      @MinistryofTesting ปีที่แล้ว

      It's a tricky thing Strategies and Plans. I would definitely subscribe to the idea of my strategy is my vision, whereas my plan are my concrete steps to take and mitigation if the plan goes sideways - Mark

  •  ปีที่แล้ว

    great response! Visual test strategy and people working together 👏 "the better the people are the briefer the documentation can be"

  • @nyasham1
    @nyasham1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Solid tools there. Thank you for sharing. Just to add another I really like is assertion libraries like fluentassertions, assertpy and assertj. They provide interfaces for more easy and readable validations in your test code

    • @MinistryofTesting
      @MinistryofTesting ปีที่แล้ว

      Great tip! You should totally add them to our Tool directory if they're aren't already there: www.ministryoftesting.com/directories/tools - Mark

  • @ResterTest
    @ResterTest ปีที่แล้ว

    @MOT and @Vernon how can one pe part of these sessions?

    • @richardbradshaw6217
      @richardbradshaw6217 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm about to open a call for contribution for AMA guests in the coming week. Keep an eye on all things MoT.

    • @ResterTest
      @ResterTest ปีที่แล้ว

      @@richardbradshaw6217 - Will do

  • @photos8690
    @photos8690 ปีที่แล้ว

    Here is a updated version with beats and lyrics: th-cam.com/video/gM9n73fMCxQ/w-d-xo.html

  • @Patrick002
    @Patrick002 ปีที่แล้ว

    Insightful and very educational

    • @MinistryofTesting
      @MinistryofTesting ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Patrick, glad you liked it. Keep your eyes peeled for more accessibility content coming soon.

  • @oleggrudko8137
    @oleggrudko8137 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool explanation. While watching this video I applied another concept from the levels of knowledge described by Neil DeGrasse Tyson. There are things we know that we know - those can be covered by scripted tests, they are mainly included into accepted tests There are things we know that we don't know. Those are minority of acceptance tests, mainly exploratory tests There are things we don't know that we don't know. Those are defects slipped to production ... And they should be covered by getting feedback from customer support to incorporate them into our knowledge body

  • @TheLudema
    @TheLudema ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting, thanks 🙏🏻

  • @m3tomlins
    @m3tomlins ปีที่แล้ว

    This was in 2017. TestBash San Francisco was 2018

  • @abellagonzalo
    @abellagonzalo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loved the podcast! Where can I find all the links and videos you are talking about?

  • @zephatay181
    @zephatay181 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks. It helps me a lot.

  • @MikhailLaptev
    @MikhailLaptev 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great explanation! I'm happy to see that I've built our framework in the right way :-)

  • @vitaly7196
    @vitaly7196 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good job!

  • @vincentdirks189
    @vincentdirks189 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks for recording this Mark. It was great start for me to see REST Assured and creating a new java automation framework in action.

  • @dprouty
    @dprouty 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    where can we find the lyrics?

    • @cipriansmith3373
      @cipriansmith3373 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      experimentation learning free style exploration Studying and modelling conjecture observation test code development task prioritization testing out competitors preparing simulations formalized reporting to comply with regulations gathering assessing and applying information deliberation judgment designing visualizations setting up the lab to try complex configurations working out the problems in a puzzling situation finding ambiguity in a product specification trying to look beyond the predicted expectation well that’s cos testing is all about investigation questioning and learning playful product interaction trying to keep my focus while I’m managing distraction sense making myth breaking breaking decisions make no faking stressing out the product to discover where its breaking interrupted disrupted because the products full of bugs the fellow who developed it must have been on drugs refining test approaches through deliberate practice how could hackers hack this don’t give the access wrestling with problems in the setup of environments interviewing users to discover their requirements so I shall socialize to provoke collaboration other folks can help me with my testing preparation talking with the managers to learn what they require testing for charisma that’s what customers desire working with the marketers to show the apps Power Point to all the features try to finish in an hour selecting configuring and then applying tools remembering critical thinking confirmation is for fools refactoring in every step keeping things maintainable let’s get over overtime and make the pace sustainable building coverage models analysing risk and eliminating waste trying to keep the pace brisk pattern recognition distributed cognition helping shy colleagues get over inhibition but I want to say this While I'm in a rap rhythm that a checks a part of testing encoded in algorithm testing’s much more than automated checks and test cases human variation puts a product through its paces talk of manual testing will keep out craft stuck but testers keep referring to it I say what the use the tools powerfully that’s what I’m suggesting but don’t try to tell me you can automate the testing

  • @ptvptv3827
    @ptvptv3827 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    This would be great I've just started a job and they are putting me on the mobile team

  • @StefaniaIoanaChiorean
    @StefaniaIoanaChiorean 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey - any links here for this? I am not finding anything on MoT

    • @MinistryofTesting
      @MinistryofTesting 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Stefania, it's not live yet - once it is I'll update the links and we'll share it all over on our social and news updates. Thanks - Áine

  • @rayoei9651
    @rayoei9651 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I see a new career ;-)

  • @shwampy
    @shwampy 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Enjoyable, thoughtful talk.

  • @m3tomlins
    @m3tomlins 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    See you again in 2017! November 9-10th!