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The problem is that antichrist is the papacy. With 80+ identifying marks of who the antichrist is, it is a slam dunk for me. It may not be for you, as you pointed out regarding all of my "evidence", but that's why I have to back off because your mind isn't going to adjust and my mind is not going to adjust. We are at a roadblock and we will just let the future play out. And if a Friday or a Sunday scenario plays out, then we know. If the credit card plays out, though that is clearly an error, then so be it. Everyone assumes that to buy and sell is a financial object but biblically: "Buy the truth, and sell [it] not; [also] wisdom, and instruction, and understanding" (Proverbs 23:23). Those with the Mark of the Beast can switch before the plagues fall from error to truth, in SDA understanding, from Sunday to Sabbath. Those already keeping the commandments (all 10) will not need to buy or sell, especially sell. As for the antichrist identification, here are videos that reveal the 80+ points of which you may try to eliminate many of them because of how your mind is, but it would be astronomical to still fulfill 20 of them. The Mark is of the Beast not something separate. So, it has to be related to the Catholic Church. Again, they brag that their mark is Sunday worship. th-cam.com/video/VlLPiLoKgj4/w-d-xo.html (verses only) th-cam.com/video/BYQYENWlSLE/w-d-xo.html (explanation) th-cam.com/video/1Z6RkvQ21F8/w-d-xo.html (application)

​@@fourangels552 Certainly I have problems with Roman Catholicism, but I don't see them as the threat that you do. You yourself were once Catholic, so you know that Catholics themselves have no desire to force people to go to church on Sundays. Also, for whatever reason, most Seventh-day Adventists seem to be completely unaware of Roman Catholic practices. Catholics have always met everyday of the week for Mass (the daily Mass), *that includes Saturdays* . This is something that Christianity has done since the beginning. I trust you haven't forgotten this? There are 1.36 billion Catholics worldwide. If only 5% of them met for Mass on Saturdays, that would be 68 million attending church every single Saturday, more than triple the amount of the Seventh-day Adventists around the ENTIRE WORLD. (There are 22 million SDAs worldwide). And yet SDAs believe that Catholics are going to force everyone to go to church on Sundays alone, and somehow *forbid meeting on Saturdays* . Again meeting daily is something that the Catholics have always done from the beginning. They are not going to go against their tradition and start to persecute those who attend church on Saturdays. After all, Catholics are all about tradition and they are not going to abandon it. Further, the Catholics themselves have been fiercely opposed and against the death penalty since Vatican II. The Catholics have been instrumental in helping to remove the death penalty in most of Europe and in large swaths of Central and South America where Roman Catholicism has been predominant. So the notion of Catholics somehow desiring to enforce a universal Sunday law regarding who can buy and sell, and where people must "worship God" on Sundays with threat of the death penalty for noncompliance is simply not in Catholic philosophy and thought.

​@@fourangels552 Jerry, as a former Catholic, I am curious as to the points I have brought up so far regarding what interest they would have in changing the practice of the daily mass via a Sunday law? Or the fact that Roman Catholics are totally opposed to the death penalty -- why would they ever bring that back via a Sunday law? I understand that you place the enforcement of the Sunday law on the *Apostate Protestants* but nevertheless, we are apparently just following what following what we see "Mother Church" doing, so the RCC is intensely important to Seventh-day Adventist's worldview. Here are some more thoughts on Catholicism per Dirk Anderson: _"The only evidence Seventh-day Adventists can point to is the behavior of the Catholic Church in past centuries. Their theory is that the Catholic Church will once again regain supremacy in the world and will re-institute the inquisition and other religious persecutions of the past. This scenario appears increasingly unlikely. After spending recent centuries apologizing for its past failures, it is difficult imagining the Catholic Church re-instituting the very institutions it now admits were wrong. It is also difficult imagining the world community sitting idly by and letting the Vatican murder all the Sabbath-keepers in the world. When Hitler persecuted the Jews, the world rose up against him and destroyed him and his nation. After the holocaust, the Western world has regarded religious persecution as loathsome. If Catholicism ever were to attempt persecuting Sabbath-keepers, they would be regarded as worse than Hitler. If they ever attempted such an act, the whole world would likely rise up against them and destroy them just as it rose up and destroyed Hitler"_ . _"All the SDA speculative talk of Catholicism regaining control of the world is downright delusional. For centuries the Catholic Church has been on a steady decline of power. The Catholic Church has been rocked with scandals and accusations of sexual abuse from around the world. Public opinion of the Catholic Church has never been lower. The church is losing ground in many places throughout the world, including the United States"_ . (Excerpt from *_National Sunday Law: Fact or Fiction_* available for free online) I have done some additional research into this decline in Catholicism. Here are some interesting headline news titles and stats you can query for yourself: "The Catholic Church in Decline in the Western World" "The Catholic church faces an ominous decline" "Catholics' Church Attendance Resumes Downward Slide" "Could The Catholic Church Collapse?" - The AmericanConservative "Half of Catholics attending Mass than 28 years ago " "Why So Many American Catholics Loathe Pope Francis" "Poll: American Catholics Uneasy With Pope Francis" "Why the Catholic Church Is Losing Latin America" - WSJ

You don't need enough personnel to enforce it. Again, I refer to the past few years. It is the citizens that will enforce it. During the years I am referring to, there were "rat out your neighbor" apps. Fear allows many things to happen and we have a history of seeing such enforced during the late 1800s. All of it is believable and atheists, Muslims, and even the Jews will be on board not under the current circumstances. That's what all that "fire comes down" business is about in Revelation 13. That is what the end of Daniel 11 is all about. A sharp change is coming that is supernatural. In other words, something is coming that proves Christianity is the only true religion and that God really does exist. And besides, the beast is not caring if you really believe or truly worship. Simply going through the motion is sufficiently acceptable. When under the few years past you did not participate in getting what they told you to get, people lost their jobs. They were threatening taking away the food stamps unless there was compliance. It was all acted out. I can't believe we are actually having this conversation. That's the evidence that it is all possible. Also, look at Nehemiah's day. Guards on the Sabbath evidently is not Sabbath breaking. So no, police enforcement is not a contradiction in their eyes.

​@@fourangels552 I appreciate your thoughtful interaction. *(The following is a little long, so bear with me)* Please know that I am merely giving some pushback to a doctrine that actually labels me as willful participant in a very evil scheme that accuses me of aligning with the devil. I offer protest to this assumption because for whatever reason, most Adventists never cross-examine their own Sunday law doctrine, thus it is left to individuals like me to bring up challenges to it. When you state that *"I can't believe we are actually having this conversation"* tells me that you have not examined the many counter-arguments that exist against the notion of the Sunday law. If you were familiar with them then you would be very happy to have conversations of this sort. Additionally, you as someone who posts videos that promote this topic, you should expect some pushback and some questioning. This is why the comments section exists--to interact with the topic. If all you like are having fellow Adventists glad-handing you in total agreement, then you might consider turning off your comment section. On the other hand, if you are totally confident in your position, you should welcome perspectives that challenge your position. Here is the crux of the problem with the SDA notion of the Sunday law. Rather than identifying Atheism, Communism, and Islam -- which all have a real history of persecuting Christians both currently and throughout history, -- the Seventh-day Adventists view Protestants, Evangelicals, and of course the always evil Catholics, as the real enemy. They are regularly labeled as *"Nominal Churches", "Daughters of the Whore", "Apostate Christianity (or Apostate Protestantism)" and "Babylon"* . These terms are rather uncharitable and even offensive, but yet all of these are found in the pages of the Great Controversy and regularly spewed by those SDAs which constantly warn of the "soon coming" Sunday law. (Recall that the Sunday law has been about to spring on us all *very "soon"* for the last 175+ years!) And this is the real problem with the notion of a Sunday law. It is designed to elevate the Adventist denomination to a uniquely special status by causing distain for other members of the Body of Christ who are labeled the bad guys and the real enemies of Christ. The level of distain rises to the point where these supposed "Sunday keepers" will seek to enact legislation that ultimately requires putting to death others for merely observing the 7th-day as Sabbath (something the Jews have done for thousands of years). According to Adventists, supposedly these non-7th-day Sabbatarian Christians (who had prior been both God-loving and God-fearing) will somehow suddenly lose their entire moral compass and abandon Christ's command to "love even your enemies", at which point they will come gunning for the Adventists by enforcing a national/universal Sunday law. Apparently you go so far as to suggest that we will download some kind of "Sunday law app" and begin to nark-out the Seventh-day Adventists. We will supposedly contact law enforcement if we observe an Adventist disobeying this Sunday law imperative, which means we call the cops if we see someone dares to "work on Sundays" OR notice that they are avoiding the "worship of God" on Sundays. We will apparently have the mindset of "lock them up" for such terrible offenses. (I'm sorry, but doesn't this all sound rather paranoid? Doesn't it sound like one giant conspiracy theory?) A true Christian would be absolutely appalled at any such action, and they would most certainly fight against any legislation that would infringe upon the religious freedoms of other Christians. After all, isn't this what YOU YOURSELF would do? - to fight for the religious freedoms of other Christians? If so *why is it that SDAs simply assume the absolute worst of other Christians?* I welcome your thoughts and perspective.

My comment of "Why are we even having this conversation" is solely based upon what we went through recently with the dry run. It is not with the doctrine. I have well examined the doctrine. But with world compliance, instant response, penalties of no buying and selling, mandates galore, people ratting out non-compliances, etc. makes it all very likely to happen as prophesied. And I do fight for the freedoms for even satanists. Everyone ought to be able to practice their beliefs and question them. We had a group wanting to come into a public school nearby and I corrected many "Christian's thoughts" who were marching against the group allowance. That is absolutely wrong. And as for the anti-SDA app, I'm just going along with what history revealed in the past few years. I'm working with evidence. And yes, any person working against the Word of God and Ten Commandments is in confusion... Babylon. No beating around the bush on this. God has only 1 truth.... not anything goes.

Also, we will just wait and see if a Sunday law appears or not. All I know is that there is a war against commandment keepers (Revelation 12:17). The survivors are commandment keepers (Revelation 14:12). If they are successful in avoiding the Mark of the Beast, the Beast, the image, and worship is involved, it makes it very easy that the 4th commandment is under attack. And how so? By accepting Sunday. Sunday is the pope's solution to climate change of which atheists are on board with. The Republican party is very much out in the open of in pushing for a return to the 1950's and Christian society, and that is when we had Sunday pretty much closed. Trump, to get elected, is telling the Christians that what power he granted them in the last term will be small compared to what his plans are. That's right out of The Great Controversy. The nation of Israel and some Arab places (and expanding) are operating business on Friday/Saturday with Sunday closures, all of which made the news in the past few years. But, I am not a believer that it is something we shall absolutely see coming but I know how to react. Whatever is coming (crisis) will look as if it is the proper solution and fear will direct people to do things they normally would not. No matter what you say with being paranoid, it has been demonstrated just a few years ago (since 2020). That again is why I say, what are you even questioning any of this. We have seen it played out in exact detail except for the part that it involved Sunday. Substitute the liquid injections with Sunday and you had it. That was the dry run for compliance on world wide basis. I have been very convinced more so that it is very much possible. When the government can control and dictate to churches how to operate, they can make it be for anything.

​@@fourangels552 *"any person working against the Word of God and Ten Commandments is in confusion... Babylon. No beating around the bush on this. God has only 1 truth.... not anything goes."* Just to be clear, are you stating that only those who follow all the ten commandments to the tee are real Christians? (7th-day Sabbatarians). The reason I ask this is because Ellen White herself said that there were true believers in the Sunday keeping churches. I always find this difficult to fully square. Supposedly nobody has the mark of the beast right now, but when "probation" supposedly closes, suddenly now the MOB applies if one continues to "worship" God on the wrong day of the week. According to SDA theology, this "last time" generation of saints will be held accountable for believing or not believing on matters that their immediate predecessors got away with for getting wrong. For example, I strongly believe that all days are alike as per Romans 14, and thus I am not a Sabbatarian. If I go to the grave before those in the last time generation, I will apparently still be okay with God because I believed sincerely in this mistaken doctrine (after all I am accountable only for "the light given to me" when I lived). I truly believed this in false doctrine in full ignorance. *Yet the poor sap that comes after me at the end of time, gets particularly damned for believing EXACTLY the same way as I do* . I get a pass but he doesn't. Thus per the Sunday law/Close of Probation theories, not all men are judged alike after all. To stress the problem even more, these unfortunate souls in the last time generation of time, who believe just as I do, are essentially *cursed for EXISTING AT THE WRONG TIME IN HISTORY* , something that they have NO control over. *Thus God does not treat all men equally* . And because of this double standard, these poor souls could probably make a strong case before the "councils in heaven" who are supposedly sitting in judgement of God over the matter of His fairness. Again, I welcome your thoughts and perspective.

Actually, it is. Read Daniel 7:25. Pick out the 5 points found in that verse identifying the antichrist. Now match that up with Revelation 13. Both identify blaspheme or great words. Both wear out or make war with the saints. Time, times, and dividing of time (3 1/2 years) is the same as 42 months. Daniel sees "they shall be given into his hand" which is captivity. Daniel says that antichrist will "think to change times and laws", and no, that is not any time and any laws. Changing speed limits and other governmental laws are insignificant to God, but His Ten Commandments, which contain a time in the fourth commandment is significant. John simply states that it is the Mark of the Beast. A mark can be defined as authoritative. And the Catholic church admits that Sunday is their Mark of Authority. Besides, why are you wanting to keep Sunday anyways when it is not biblical to be kept both as Jesus never taught it (Hebrews 4) and God uses a sunset schedule not a midnight schedule. It is purely pagan and adopted by Constantine and then adopted by the only church in town at the time, the papacy, and Protestants simply follow it and are mocked by following it by the Catholic Church quite often.

​@@fourangels552 Respectfully, the book of Daniel does not mention the the *"first day of the week"* , nor the *"antichrist"* (which only the apostle John spoke of). Both of these are concepts are being read into Daniel. You also claim that *"Daniel says that antichrist will "think to change times and laws"* . Why must this be a Sunday law? I can think of a certain religion that has been trying to "wear out the saints of the most high" for over 1400 years. A religion that has "changed both times and laws" and even has its own separate calendar. A religion that already enforces "Friday observance" in the lands where it reigns. This religion has no problem with mixing church and state, and in fact it demands a political union of church and state in all aspects of its practice. And most importantly, this religion would never bow the knee on Sundays via a "Sunday law" to the God of the Christians. My point is that Daniel 7 can and is interpreted differently. Certainly there is a correct view of this chapter, but a view that includes some *enforcement of the "first day of the week"* goes beyond what we are informed of and is merely speculation and supposition.

And the past 4 years (can't say the word because of censorship) but it indeed can be enforced very easily. Blue laws are all on the books and have gone through the courts system and declared to not be considered "religious" institution to shutdown on Sundays.

@@fourangels552 Since the late 1800s, Seventh-day Adventists have seen the arrival of this universal Sunday law in every crisis. Each time, they suppose that this "crisis" will be the one that finally brings in Sunday legislation. For well over a century, any world crisis-whether it be the COVID pandemic, or climate change, or the world trade center bombing-is seen as the trigger mechanism that convinces lawmakers to abandon all reason and bow down to the papacy and institute a National Sunday Law. However, each time, the crisis fades and the National Sunday Law conspiracy never materializes. Then, they start looking for the next crisis. I have personally witnessed this pattern for decades. These people live in a constant state of paranoia.

I am in total agreement about the Sunday law chasers. So many look for every rock for it despite being told it will come upon all by surprise. It is a type of date setting. Every failed enactment of Sunday is just causing skeptics. But revelation 13 is clear that a universal WORSHIP is going to happen. And the nation to do it is the second beast of Revelation 13. And the Mark of the Beast is already here, but not enforced. The second beast does not create a mark is simply enforces the existing Mark.

As a former Catholic, I know about the trinity and paganism associated with it, but with that said, be very careful to cast aside Jesus as being God because Isaiah 9:6 states He is God. As for the Holy Spirit, remember John 16:13. The Holy Spirit cannot be Jesus because if it were, the Holy Spirit constantly prompts things about Jesus but that contradicts what was stated in the verse because the Holy Spirit, if it were Jesus, does not speak of Himself. Jesus is forbidden, according to the verse, to speak of Himself or the verse is in error. If the Holy Spirit were God the Father, then that contradicts John 14:16, which points to another Comforter, which would be in addition to Jesus and not being the Father because the Father sends the Holy Spirit and the use of "another" means in addition to. So, that's the stance, which if properly studied, is quite different from the Catholic trinity. I'm working on a future message about the Holy Spirit, but that suffices as a bit of a preview. It is going to be at least several more weeks yet.

@fourangels552 It was in 1980 that the trinity was voted in our church. If you research the pioneers, you'll find the reasons the trinity doesn't work. It's christ in you... not somebody else. He said I will come to you, not somebody else. If the disciples believed this vital connection between the Father and the Son, their faith would not forsake them when they saw Christ's suffering and death to save a perishing world. Christ was seeking to lead them from their low condition of faith to the experience they might receive if they truly realized what He was,-God in human flesh. He desired them to see that their faith must lead up to God, and be anchored there. How earnestly and perseveringly our compassionate Saviour sought to prepare His disciples for the storm of temptation that was soon to beat upon them. He would have them hid with Him in God. The Holy Spirit is Christ's representative, but divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof. Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally. Therefore it was for their interest that He should go to the Father, and send the Spirit to be His successor on earth. No one could then have any advantage because of his location or his personal contact with Christ. By the Spirit the Saviour would be accessible to all. In this sense He would be nearer to them than if He had not ascended on high. God the father gave to him To have eternal life in himself. This is the same underived life that we are told we can have in us. The holy spirit, the power and influence of God, given to Christ who gives to us. As Jesus said: I in you and thou in me that they may be one as we are. The Father and the Son one by the spirit of life from God. In the name of the father, and the name of the Son. And the name of the Holy Spirit. What name? That name is Jesus. The apostolic church baptized in the name of Jesus. He is our everlasting father. The only begotten Son of God, the Spirit of God. I won't press on you, but encourage you to read what you're reading, hear whatvyoure hearing, see what you're seeing. And whenever you see something that sounds like trinity, read the context. It is total apostasy from our pioneer faith to believe in a trinity god. I will say no more

Thank you for taking the time to make such a critique as this does not appear to be your normal content to be viewed. I looked at your content and it does appear we are at odds in beliefs, hence why you believe the video to be a ridiculous opinion.

You are very welcome. To God be the glory.

Amen.

I will ask her. Thank you for the suggestion.

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Four Angels Messages operates on Facebook as the name Converting the Soul (facebook.com/profile.php?id=100079925064503)

@@fourangels552 that link took me to a lot of unsafe facebook pages for torture etc. when i typed in the name it gives something totally different from what you preach on these videos

@@faithmakesthingspossibleno8295 I'm not sure if the link is busted (compromised) or if the parenthesis is an issue so here is a clean link that hopefully goes to the page I tested and worked: facebook.com/profile.php?id=100079925064503

Addictions are difficult to break. Definitely prayer is needed and from outside sources such as through this ministry.

It is definitely time for people to come out. Thanks for the Bible and news items.

Thank you.

Thank you

It comes March 18. Sad to say, it is only a once a month visit to Florida. I hated doing it that way but hopefully Isaiah can be done within 3 parts. I hope. So that would be February 18 part 1, March 18 part 2, and April 15 for part 3.

I try to lean into the phone, which is on speaker, trying to pick up through my microphone on my headset but I suspected that it would still be too soft. Sad to hear. Thanks for the feedback.