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Moggleboss went crazy with the natural magic version of this

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Cannot overstate what a delight this was to watch. Thanks a ton for the thorough commentary on the game and story, it was a blast watching someone extremely plugged into the fundamentals of rpg boss design dig deep into my game!

bro got wrecked by a frog gg!!! thanks for another rad challenge run!

Congratulations! Another challenge completed. **Victory Fanfare plays**

Congrats on finishing (even though you finished a long time ago) Any plans on a next challenge?

Ultimate Weapon: "Take This! Thunderball Attack!" *absorbs it* Ultimate Weapon: "Impudent whelp! Ultima Beam!" *nullifies damage* Ultimate Weapon: "It's over! SHADOW FLARE!" *reflects it* Ultimate Weapon: "NANI!?" *dies*

Another challenge run coming to an end soon... Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened... Do you have a text mirror or google doc of all these video descriptions by the way? TH-cam's so fickle that it's a bit scary having such amazing ff6/7 knowledge resources here and nowhere else.

She keeps on slapping the party because they keep on making fun of her big ass!

for some reason the Repeating Slap animation made me burst out laughing damn I forgot final jenova was a Guardian Plus Bits fight, classic rpg boss design

I would NEVER fight this fight without 9999 HP and 999 MP and KOTR.

tifa‘s stealing skill...😅

Another favorite, really love this stretch of the game. Feeling melancholy that another challenge run is wrapping up...

Proud Clod only wanted to prod Cloud!

I remember one time, during a challenge run, I had to sit and heal until Proud Clod had used Materia Jamer like 16 times or something like that so that it would run out of MP before i could kill it. I don't remember why, but it was probably one of my longest videos.

Clod really living up to its name...

I'll NEVER do this instead I'll have HER at lv 60 with 9999 HP 999 MP AND KoTR useable on Godo but only use it AFTER he uses Trine for the 4th enemy skill materia.

I remember this being my favorite single boss fight on my last playthrough

This fight can be deceptively difficult.

Why does youtube insist this is FF8.

Did you save after this?

I feel like you need to understand Quantum Physics in order to route EXP in this game!

A pretty simple and straightforward boss, but it makes for a good opportunity to elaborate on EXP routing! The inactive EXP may be a boon in a regular run to ensure no one is left too far behind, but it's something to work around in a low level run like this one.

To think there was a tool all along

The exp routing is fascinating, I didn't know there was a dedicated tool for it. The inactive vs dead char juggling is really neat.

-Tifa wants to take on Rude in Rocket Town, a section of the game that gives a fair chunk of EXP in itself. On top of that, she needs enough EXP to be prepared for Rude, so she eats Inactive EXP throughout most of the game. Therefore, she's a good choice to leave on the floor for Diamond Weapon. Unlike Cait, this gives her enough room to take even more EXP, so she takes EXP from Rapps and Proud Clod as well. -Cid joins at a high level and we don't get much of a chance to deny him EXP, so we instead let him take a bunch of Inactive EXP and then let him skip EXP from Hojo. -Barret and Red XIII are in the same boat. We need a couple characters to take Inactive EXP from both Diamond Weapon and Hojo, and these two are good candidates since they join so early. We deny them as much EXP as possible in the earlygame/midgame to make room for the 30 000 EXP they'll get from the two big bosses. -Vincent can't join the party. The EXP from the extra Lost Number battle is just the tip of the icebarg. The real issue is that we can't deal with an extra character receiving Inactive EXP. We also can't pull the same trick as with Yuffie by letting him join near the end since he joins at three levels above the level average.

I'm playing XII, and everytime I read "Strahl" i cant help but say that like a toothless heathen in search of the philosphers stone. Looool.

How ironic... 'rude' is the most 'polite' character

Rude's attacking his crush!! O.O

Rude after casting a single spell: well it looks like my work here is done Reno: we're still in the middle of fighting Rude: *looking at his phone*

I'll still NEVER fight Carry armor without both KoTR used on it and 9999 HP 999 MP party members Cloud Barret Cid.

Screw Sephiroth, this is the real boss!

Even with 9999 HP 999 MP lv 60 I'll NEVER fight IT EVER without Knights of the round at your LVS even if you had the HP MP switch materia TO use it it would NOT kill Carry armor instantly anyways. Arm grab even at lv 60 with 9999 HP 999 MP is the ONLY way to lose solo so I'll STILL Never fight it UNLESS you KILL it instantly with KoTR and at lv 24 it will NOT kill it instantly if you HAD the 255 MP to USE It.

Nicely done, always one of the ff7 bosses that really stuck in my head

1/128 Chance to get arm grabbed, or 500% chance to be arm grabbed while trying to record.

I'll still ALWAYS be at lv 60 here with 9999 HP 999 MP as for the Black Materia the game pretty much FORCES Red 13 to take it nobody else can I tried that.

Yooooooo just caught this, nice work!! I've been meaning to learn mario 1 warpless for years, nice job on the time!

The real question is, who did you give the Black materia to?

That's some crazy preparation to make this one happen for sure! The need for the Magic Defense bug to be fixed, the fact that 10 HP makes a huge impact on your chances, and that AI manipulation... Even the fact you need to be able to run back to the save point without getting into a random encounter! Well done making all of that happen!

Wow, a lot of specific strategies go into this run!

Goddam this one's meaty. That the tactics continue even after the fight's done is insane.

Healing until he runs out of MP was probably the best strategy here. Although I think Transform would have made your life much easier.

So why did I say earlier that Ice resistance was mandatory here? The astute viewer might notice that the heads flip the order they attack after the de-syncing trick. This should be unsurprising given that we let the Ice Head get an extra turn in. What *is* surprising is that the heads don't flip their attacking order if the Fire Head attacks first. My hypothesis (which I have neither the tools nor the knowledge to test) is that the heads are queuing up Nothings at the same time. I don't think the order flips on the turn where they both do Nothing because enemies will typically act in the order that they queue. However, because Nothing happens instantly, on the *next* turn, they'll queue at exactly the same moment. I expect that the game has some sort of tiebreaker when this happens (e.g., ordering the enemies by which slot they're in), and the Fire Head acts earlier according to that tiebreaker, which means it takes the ATB lead on the Ice Head again while also being further ahead in its attack script. This is critical because this ends up causing the Fire Head to get two turns in a row more times later in the fight, causing the heads to de-sync more. Eventually, we get hit by a Double Breath and an unresisted Ice Breath on the same turn, leading to a swift Game Over. This behaviour stumped me for a while, and I only solved the fight by accident. Recall that we need to be attacked by the resisted element on the first turn? I had six attempts in a row where the Ice Head attacked first, causing me to get annoyed and "pointlessly" switch to resisting Ice. I'm glad this happened; I have no clue how else I would have figured all this out. Regardless of whether my analysis is correct, the behaviour was consistent across many attempts. After the heads run out of MP, there are two more points of interest. First, we can Steal a Protect Ring here, which will be handy later. Second, both heads have a death counter that doesn't consume MP. It's Lightning element, but we can't afford to run the Bolt Ring over the Circlet to nullify it. Thankfully it's tankable as long as we don't kill both heads at the same time. No reason not to use the OP Dragon Scales for damage at this point in the fight. I played this part slowly to avoid doing something stupid. Even after the death animation plays, we're not done with this fight yet (because of course we aren't). There's a bug (I have no clue if it's fixed in the Steam version) where running away remains disabled in random encounters after the Schizo fight. The bug will persist until we exit the room, so I ran out the closer south exit and then backtracked to the save point afterwards. The time it takes to hit a random encounter is consistent every time you load a save, so before Schizo I made sure to save the game on a seed where we wouldn't hit anything after Schizo. I determined whether the seed was good enough by trial and error.

You know your FF channel is popular when you've attracted a certain obnoxious bot that starts with a V! :p

NORMALLY I'd always have 9999 HP 999 MP each by now as for the Demon Gate boss with BARELY 500 max HP I would NEVER survive its Demon Rush attack since that one NORMALLY does 2500+ damage and with 500 to 600 max HP it would still 1 shot you WITH Big guard used.

always blown away by the beautiful detailed boss models in this game

Wow! Also found your channel from the original challenge. I've found someone to rival Garland and Strahl! :p

I think I always forget to account for these fights every time I'm planning a challenge. They can be tough in certain situations.

I WOULD NEVER fight it below 2500 MAX HP even WITH Big guard used its Demon Rush move WILL easily do over 1000 damage TO party member that barely had even 500 HP.

I'll NEVER FIGHT it at levels BELOW 45 with 5000 to 6000 HP at HP COUNT less then 2500 even the DEMON Gate boss after beating the red Dragon will 1 shot the entire party at STILL WILL since nobody here even HAS 1000 HP.