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Alps Electrical
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Welcome to our TH-cam channel, and thank you for stopping by.
We are Alps Electrical, a solar installation business. We are a passionate team of electrical contractors based in the Tees Valley, UK. We cover all aspects of electrical installation & maintenance, including Solar PV & Battery Storage, and are dedicated to working toward a greener future.
You can expect our channel to provide informative content that is useful to both consumers, and fellow electricians, and not forgetting apprentices looking to further their knowledge of the industry.
We hope you enjoy our videos!
We are Alps Electrical, a solar installation business. We are a passionate team of electrical contractors based in the Tees Valley, UK. We cover all aspects of electrical installation & maintenance, including Solar PV & Battery Storage, and are dedicated to working toward a greener future.
You can expect our channel to provide informative content that is useful to both consumers, and fellow electricians, and not forgetting apprentices looking to further their knowledge of the industry.
We hope you enjoy our videos!
Installing 29kWh Of Battery Storage Alongside Existing Solar System - Fox Cube Full Stack
This is a battery storage installation video and we are Alps Electrical, a family electrical business based in the North-East specialising in Solar and Renewables, and battery storage. Thank you for watching.
In this video, we install a massive 29kWh of battery storage alongside an existing solar system that the customer had installed a few years ago as part of the old FIT scheme.
This customer now wanted to introduce battery storage to help capture some of that lost generated energy from the solar panels, and we also install a brand new RCBO consumer unit and a second MyEnergi Zappi EV charger.
We hope you enjoy the video. Don't forget to check out our other installation videos, and please like and subscribe!
For more information on Alps Electrical please visit our website - www.alpselectrical.com/
Octopus offers the very best tariffs for solar and EV chargers. Check them out here: octopus.energy/
If you do wish to join Octopus, here is a referral link for you which will add £50 to your energy account when you first sign up: share.octopus.energy/storm-gull-182
00:00 Introduction
05:13 Installing the batteries
05:23 Discussing the Fox Cube
06:24 Changing the consumer unit
07:25 Discussing the system
In this video, we install a massive 29kWh of battery storage alongside an existing solar system that the customer had installed a few years ago as part of the old FIT scheme.
This customer now wanted to introduce battery storage to help capture some of that lost generated energy from the solar panels, and we also install a brand new RCBO consumer unit and a second MyEnergi Zappi EV charger.
We hope you enjoy the video. Don't forget to check out our other installation videos, and please like and subscribe!
For more information on Alps Electrical please visit our website - www.alpselectrical.com/
Octopus offers the very best tariffs for solar and EV chargers. Check them out here: octopus.energy/
If you do wish to join Octopus, here is a referral link for you which will add £50 to your energy account when you first sign up: share.octopus.energy/storm-gull-182
00:00 Introduction
05:13 Installing the batteries
05:23 Discussing the Fox Cube
06:24 Changing the consumer unit
07:25 Discussing the system
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Thanks for watching as always! Let us know if you are on the FIT scheme and have battery storage to capture that lost generation! :)
Great video. Thanks for your helpful information as I've been struggling how to get the most of my Octopus flux. One thing that bothers Mr and would like your help please. What happens if i don't set the discharge: since it's winter, is rather use my battery top up for my home instead of exporting to the grid. Thank you.
Thank you for the comment and watching! Yes it makes sense to hold back on the discharge during winter which is what I doo too.
Thanks so much for the video. I have accepted the quote from a company called soly-energy to install solar at my 1950s house. Would they ask me to do the structural survey or do I have to insist? Or is it mandatory for the installation? They have said for the technical survey, I just would need to submit a few photographs. Would that be sufficient?? Thanks in advance
Hi, thanks for watching. You don't always need a structural, it depends upon the roof type. If it is a regular dual pitch then most solar design systems will do the structural calculations for us, but you should receive the structural calculations for it in your proposal and paperwork to show the calculations have been done for both load and wind. If the standard dual pitch is a truss roof then we just input that into the system, however if it is a rafter style then we need to take dimensions of the span, rafter width, depth and spacing to input into the system. If nobody has even been in your loft you need to be asking questions for sure. If your roof is a flat roof, or mono pitch, or hip and valley like the one in this video then a structural survey is always required and must be carried out according to the MCS. The consequences of not doing so can be very bad. Most roofs are designed to hold the roof itself, not 2-300KG of solar panels also. If you came to us and said your roof was from the 1950's id be taking all precautions to ensure we were happy to install solar on it. Hope that helps.
@alpselectrical thank you so much for the reply. That is great to hear. My installer also told me that the system would tell them about this and also said they would know just by looking at the roof. Our roof is just a typical roof which is found everywhere. And, the loft conversion had been done before we bought the house, so hopefully all of OK?
I'm just shocked the builders wouldn't install the solar in the roof...... The only thing I would avoid is Tesla kit because of the financial position the company is in.
Some do but usually bare minimum amount of panels to tick boxes, which is almost not worth having!
I thought the powerwall had inverters in it these days?
The PW3 does :)
What the fuck is a 2024 house doing being installed with RCD groups?
Shocking isn't it! It all comes down to money. These builders want their houses wired for peanuts, which is why we would never work with a builder. But the electricians doing them need to make at least some money and so will spec the system the cheapest they can get away with. All new builds should be RCBO boards 100%!
@alpselectrical probably all installed by an unqualified person and then signed off by someone in an office. The worst I've seen is 100's of designs "signed off" on the last day of the grace and then being installed years later...
We went to a new build the other week just to carry out some minor electrical work and found crossed polarity at the C.U. Basically the main tails were the wrong way around in the main switch of the new board they had fitted (BG SPLIT LOAD)!!!! Needless to say they came back very quickly to sort it, but leaves you wondering what testing actually took place after installation?
@alpselectrical such a crazy, dangerous fault.
A very neat install but it left me scratching my head at some of the choices 1. Why have 2 EV chargers? Will the owner need to charge 2 electric cars at the same time? Wouldn’t it have been better to remove the Project EV charger and directly swap it with the Zappi? They could have sold the Project EV charger and use it towards the install costs. 2. Why have a separate inverter when the Powerwall 3 has a solar inverter integrated into it. The home owner has effectively paid for 2 inverters. 3. The powerwall 3 has 3 MPTT’s so the south facing panels could be on a separate string to mitigate shading or other issues. Why have optimisers which add expense ? 4. I noticed you didn’t use the Tesla dolly to move the very heavy Powerwall 3 around and onto the wall. I understand this kit isn’t cheap at around £2000. The videos I have seen on the official Tesla Powerwall install TH-cam site suggest it is mandatory to use. The overall installation looks very impressive but some elements don’t seem the best use of the equipment which has been used.
Hi, thanks for watching and commenting, in answer to your questions: 1. The customer has two cars which they charge at the same time. We moved and added his old charger into the system for free in the end actually as it was not much more effort or cost for us to do so. which they were over the moon with. 2. This is the PW2. The PW3 was not available at the time this job was at the pricing/DNO stage, and the customer wanted to move on with it as mentioned in the video, however more to the point, optimisers were essential on this job as mentioned in the video two panels on their own roof orientation would not be enough voltage for the inverter to kick in for most inverters, PW3 has a minimum of 60v which is too close to call for two panels on days where there is not much sun, therefore all panels needed to go on one string with optimisers to ensure they will work at all times. There is no better system than SolarEdge for optimisation and monitoring individual panels and this customer was very switched on and wanted the best. You cannot use SolarEdge optimisers with Tesla it has to be a SolarEdge inverter. 3. Answered this above. 4. It is not mandatory to use, I have never even heard of it and I have done all the Tesla training. They suggest using a dolly which is just common sense but I will stick with my £50 one which works perfectly well lol. Just to add there is a lot of hype about the PW3 at the moment with no chance yet to see if it stacks up. The fact it includes a built-in inverter could be a negative if the inverter side of things packs up, as that is either going to be a costly repair, or the entire unit is buggered. Only time will tell on this point. The PW2 is a proven model and allows you to spec with any inverter to suit the specifics of the system, and in this instance was the best choice for this job.
@@alpselectrical Thanks for replying. What you say makes perfect sense. Cheers
You are very welcome, thanks again for watching and commenting!
I'm astonished they didn't opt for in-roof solar during construction of the house: 1. They would save on roof tiles. Given the cost per sq meter of panels is approaching that of tiles. 2. Lower static load on the roof. 3. Looks Nicer 4. No need to duplicate scaffolding costs 5. If roof loading calcs were necessary, then it would be the house builder that would need to consider this - rather than retrofit, but point 2 above would still be valid. I've got GSE Adaptors on my roof for 4 years, and my electrician reckons they are easier to install than racks, and he has fewer warranty issues relating to leaks due to cracked tiles under the panels. They look the business! But pine needle accumulation is certainly a local issue for my particular property.
Not all builders provide solar as an option, including this builder on this site and so it was not an option for them anyway. Integrated panels may look nicer (in some people's opinions), but they are actually less efficient between 6-17%, due to the restricted/lack of crucial airflow allowed to cool them down, as trust me, solar panels get extremely hot under direct sun. Only time will tell if the integrated panels start to fail sooner than the on-roof panels due to this - it certainly makes sense that they would. On-roof panels can still look just as pleasant to the eye, but the majority of customers, are seeking maximum ROI over what they look like, as most people won't be staring at their roofs for prolonged periods. Right now, and this is extremely fresh news, the MCS is currently discussing the fire safety of integrated panels, which we received notification of last week, and we eagerly await the outcome. Clearly, it could have a significant impact on the industry going forward, but the regulations are changing constantly. It is hard to keep up sometimes. As you mention things that drop from the sky can gather in the recesses which isn't ideal. In my opinion having installed both, and with efficiency/ROI trumping appearance every time, the on-roof panels would be my recommendation.
@@alpselectrical I certainly saw a remark earlier this week on the efixx youtube channel about fire safety and in-roof solar. Apparently the consultant with concerns about this cited a very specific but unnamed panel brand as being a particular problem for in-roof solar. Certainly the GSE adaptors are sitting right on top of the wooden battens, so I can see the potential. I checked out the GSE website for the MCS certificates for their adaptor mounts. They certainly look legit. But sure, there's a risk, especially with loose connections under DC load. That reinforces the importance of the AFDD features, which SolarEdge has - although I haven't seen any tests of these devices.
Yes, we will await to see what comes of it, but things are changing very quickly. Thanks for the comment and for watching :)
Great video guys, I cant believe new homes are being built without solar. You should have a deal with the builders to setup all them houses
Thank you very much! Some builders are installing panels to tick boxes but its the bare minimum to pass, in many cases just 4 panels which is pretty useless really.
Another great tidy installation. When I had my first solar installation 12 years ago and my bungalow being 2 years older. The installer strengthened my trusses with 4*2 not something I have seen done before until today but I am glad they did 2 years later we had 3 feet of snow . You asked before where about I am just over the border in wales not far from Oswestry 👍👍👍
Yes, thats the thing, most roofs are built to hold the roof itself, and tiles etc allowing for snow, not solar panels, and so consideration must be taken for these extra loads. Thanks for the comment and for watching, really appreciate it!
Thanks for watching the video - let us know in the comments if you have have a similar shape roof and had solar installed - did your installer advise on a structural survey? :)
Can these mode settings be accessed from the fox Web portal? I find the portal is more stable than the app
They can on my installer portal I have never looked at a customers web portal, only their app. I would assume that you can though, but the settings won't be available to you unless your system is on the latest firmware which you need to call Fox for to ask them to update them
I wonder - Why have you fitted a generation meter next to the inverter? Is that a must or just a added benefit for the customer?
It's a must - the serial number needs adding to the MCS certificate which you then need for the export payments. It is unnecessary as the smart meter at the origin does exactly the same thing but we just have to put them in
Great video! I love seeing the smaller details of an installation, the behind the scenes if you like. Seeing the panels, inverter and batteries is good, but how the cable is run and how other components are connected is something other TH-camrs don't particularly show. Andy came to see me the other day about a proposal. I later told his wife that he looked shattered ...but hitting the gym and editing videos will do that. Keep em coming buddy and Fox ESS please send him some longer cables.... hopefully before my install date 😂 #foxess
haha I will try to make sure I get plenty of sleep before your install! :)
If you would like to know how to avoid your solar system supplying your EV charger and draining your solar battery watch this video :) Don't forget to like and subscribe!
Cheers Andy, currently into Autumn and I'm now using the inverter features to charge and discharge the batteries at various currents for optimum economy and performance. Changing electric tariff to cheap overnight rates has made all the difference. ASHP next?
Thats awesome buddy always good to make the system work as hard as possible for you! I charge my batteries every night regardless of the time of year. Take a look at my video about this on the channel. Funnily enough ASHP are on the menu for future but we are so incredibly busy right now I really am not sure when we will ever get around to it, at least not in the near future anyway! Thanks so much for watching and commenting :)
Hi what sort of apps are available for those batteries? I cant find much information online and what i have seen isn't encouraging.
Hi there is the new FOX 2.0 app. The app recently underwent an update and so did have some issues but its as good as any other in my opinion, I have Fox at home too and use the app daily without a problem. Thanks for the comment btw!
@@alpselectrical thanks very much for responding, and the video, which gave me some faith in being able to get the most out of my soon to be installed system!
Agree with everything he said number one good customer service 👍👍👍
Bless you thanks for watching
That was a great installation just wish you were nearer to me every installer I have used I think there thought patern is out of site out of mind 👍👍👍
Hi thanks so much its a pity we are not closer to you - where are you out of interest?? And thanks for watching!
James shares some really great insights into his solar system and how he maximises the potential from his Tesla batteries :)
Our customer Conrad shares his thoughts on his solar system :)
I have a FOX hybrid inverter and a cube. What happens when minimum soc is reached in solar battery please? Does it keep the charge at 10% and get power from grid or run it down to 0%?
Hi, whatever you set the min SOC is where the battery will stop and not drop below. I set mine to 10% too. Once it gets to min SOC it will just wait for top up either from grid or solar whichever is sooner :) Hope that helps
@@alpselectrical My min SOC is set to 10% but it goes down to 6% overnight.
Really great content, hope you get more subscribers as you deserve it
Thank you so much thats really kind and gives me motivation to keep going. A lot of work goes into these videos lol! Cheers for watching
Amazing advice, shame my installer didn't go over any of this with me. Thanks for the info. It is probably worth pointing out that if you have enabled the Mode Scheduler, you will get errors in the app, when trying to set anything outside the mode scheduler. If that's the case, go into the Mode Scheduler, turn the settings off and submit, then return back to the previous screen and configure what you need (I did the Min SOC etc), and once finished go back into Mode Scheduler and re-enable everything. Very happy I cam across your vid. Keep up the great work.
Hi, yes, it is a bit fiddly isn't it?! Glad you go sorted though. Fox are always great at helping too over the phone
After searching for weeks I've finally found the information I needed from your video and from the comments and answers. Thank you so much 🙂
Thats amazing! So so glad I could help! Thanks for watching - don't forget to hit the subscribe button :)
Hello from North Buckinghamshire. I just wanted to let you know how much I enjoy watching your videos. You’ve got a very ‘natural’ presenting style. I too, also like working with ‘wood’ :) Keep up the good work 👍
You don't know how much that means to me! I put a lot of work into my videos and to hear people are enjoying them gives me the motivation to keep going with them :) Thank You!
First class installation your only as good as your last installation so you’ll have no problems in the future. On another note I had a powerwall 2 fitted 5 years ago with 11kw of solar already installed I asked the powerwall installer if it was ok because you are only supposed have 7.6 kw of solar per powerwall 2 he asked where I read that and I said on Tesla’s website he checked and said I didn’t know that but carried on regardless . Just wondered if you have any thoughts on it ? One last question what would you say is the best option connect your solar to your consumer unit or your powerwall gateway? Can’t wait till you get your hands on a powerwall 3 👍👍👍
Hey, thanks for watching and your comment! Yeah we can't wait to get our hands on a PW3 either! Ill be sure to do an install video on it! Regarding the 7.6kw max, I have never heard of that and cannot see why that would be a thing as the size of the array is only relevant to the inverter that it is connected to it. We have installed a PW2 with a 19KW solar array and two 6KW SolarEdge inverters. The only thing that would be affected by the size of the array is the speed at which the battery filled.
Lovely big job 👍👍👍
Thank you! Cheers! Thanks for watching!
Hey, this video is the second part of a two-part solar installation at the wonderful Saltburn Golf Club in the gorgeous seaside town of Saltburn-By-The-Sea. The first part is available on our channel. PS. I am a better solar installer than a golfer!
Hey, this video is the first part of a two-part solar installation at the wonderful Saltburn Golf Club in the gorgeous seaside town of Saltburn-By-The-Sea. The second part is available on our channel where you can see me play golf! PS. I am a better solar installer than a golfer!
Heavily contemplating it at the moment. Panels are so cheap now and form a minor part of installation cost that it seems obvious to oversize the system if you have poor efficiency. At 0.65 shading factor I figured we’d need to double our annual usage, so that takes us to a 10kW system max output. I’m wondering if I should add even more panels, I could fit another 5-10 kW am wondering if it could be smarter to fit some of those on the NW facing aspect to catch the late afternoon sun instead (we have enough space to fit them on a SE aspect too). What does your gut tell you please, bung everything on the SE or is it better to throw a few on the NW too to try and even out the PV flow throughout the day?
If the figures make sense then adding more panels is a good idea but it all boils down to the ROI. Panels are cost effective these days, but another side means another side of scaffold, and of course all the rails, brackets, and installation costs of the extra panels. If they are not going to add much extra generation it may not prove to be worth it
Nice looking setup whats a rough cost for that particular job?
Thanks, upwards of 20k
@@alpselectrical thanks for reply 👌
You are more than welcome!
a Brilliant video thank you
Thank you very much :)
Without battery storage solar is a complete waste of time, 80% of people are at work during sunlight hours unable to benefit from the Inconsistent British sunlight by using appliances etc whilst sunlight generating solar is available. It's just another con along with all the other cons we've been sold over the years. Now I presume if you can afford a massively expensive battery and fire proof storage solution any generated solar electricity during British sunny weather may be useful when you come home from work, other than that a total waste of space.
Thanks for sharing your opinion :)
Really helpful video, thanks. I’m now up and running force charging and discharging on octopus flux. One question, I can’t see a way to set the force charge rate. Is it better for my battery if I charge a bit slower (e.g. 4kW rather than my inverter’s 9kW) as there’s enough time to fully charge the battery before 5am at the slower rate?
Yeah some say it can be - I guess the only proof would be using two systems alongside each other for the life of the batteries and charging one at its full potential and the other at 50% for example and see if it has an effect on the life of the battery, albeit an impossible experiment. To be honest I do not worry about it at all I just use the batteries to their fullest potential and if and when they are needing changing there will be better batteries on the market and probably cheaper and they will have more than paid themselves back. But there are customers who reduce the charge rate!
Excellent video thank you, this guidance is just what I needed as I have just changed to Octopus Flux I will update my inverter firmware and look at doing this.
Glad it helped thanks for watching
Octopus go is 0030-0530 / 8.5p
Awesome
thanks very much :)
We have foxess best thing we spent money on,got hybrid inverter and nine panels south facing,and we get good charging without the sun,we are on octopus flux,charge up from grid 0200,-0459.great set up.
Thats awesome to hear! Thanks for sharing :)
What size cable did you use from the inverter to the consumer unit ? Nice job
The inverter is wired from the gateway not the C.U and is wired in 6mm
Thank you for the reply Great tidy work
Great Video, really helpful. Only feedback would be that when you are showing your phone screen, we can't see where you are "clicking", to follow the steps easily. Might want to edit the video to highlight these.
Ok, will bare that in mind thanks for the feedback and for watching
Thankyou so much for this. I was totally confused and unsure how to navigate around the app to get the best out of my battery. This has explained and clarified the process
You are very welcome glad I could help! :)
Aiko also do a 620w panel, i found them new in barnsley for £107 each last week with 23% efficency too :)
Thats good to know! They are lovely looking panels aren't they? And the efficiency is amazing too!
Thanks Pro
You are very welcome thanks for watching!
the loft restriction for batteries isjust reccomendation at the moment not regulation so you can still have them in the loft
There is a lot of confusion around this with installers and the regulators, however as an MCS installer and accredited with NAPIT we have been advised by both MCS and NAPIT that we should be treating this as if it were a regulation and under no circumstances should we be installing batteries in the loft. If in any doubt I would recommend contacting MCS and your scheme provider for guidance on this. We have not installed batteries in loft spaces since the announcement and most others have taken the same approach such as Octopus and other large national companies.
@@alpselectrical that's interesting, my installer is also mcs and napit accredited installers but are still suggesting installing in my loft
We had our MCS annual assessment two weeks ago and this was again reiterated to us, and the assessor highlighted the problem that installers are still doing it despite the recommendation and pending change to regs! Regardless of whether this is a regulation or recommendation right now, surely as the homeowner would you wish to follow the guidance/recommendation anyway? It is highly likely it will be changed to a regulation and when it does it may affect home insurance and the saleability of your home having batteries in the loft. It is anyone's guess if insurance companies/surveyors/prospective buyers will give any consideration to whether the batteries were installed prior to the change or after. It is more likely that when they were installed will be irrelevant just that they are in a loft and we now consider this to be not conforming to regulations (when that change is made official). Another thing to bear in mind is if you ever wanted an extra battery added to the system and the regulations have then changed you could not install them in the loft at that point and the whole system would then need to be relocated. Most installers are adopting this change now,, including the big nationals as mentioned previously. There is no way we would install batteries in a customer's loft now or since the announcement back in April. It's concerning, to say the least, that installers are regulated by the same bodies and have different opinions on something so important. I am not surprised though as the way this information has been delivered has been nothing short of confusing and very sudden.
When the battery is force discharging, does the battery still continue to power your home? Thanks
Yes it would always prioritise powering the home
We hope you enjoy this video of us installing two Powerwalls at this lovely home, let us know what you think in the comments :)
A question for you about adding a second slave battery to the two I had (4.8s) I thought I Dawes it don and the man fiddled with a ‘dip switch’ setting on the BMS, my fitter said there is not one now. What was I seeing and how is it done for three units.
I am sorry I don't fully understand the question, can you advise what system you have?
@@alpselectrical sorry it looks like auto correct is at it again. I watched somebody fitting a second battery to a stack, and they adjusted a thing they called a dip switch on the stack by the power switch. It was to adjust for the number of batteries in the stack. It was a FOX ESS cube system like mine is. I appear to not have any on mine, maybe they had older batteries????
Yes that will likely be the FOX Mira HV25 batteries they have a dip switch that requires altering depending upon how many modules are added but the Fox Cube does not. I actually have the HV25 at my home but only because the CUBE was not out at that time as I love the CUBE they are the best batteries on the market in my opinion for the fact they have multiple size variants and they are so easily added to inn the future!
@@alpselectrical I think mine are HV20 so that explains it.
Thanks for making this video, we are soon to get solar and a battery and opted for the fox ess as it was significantly cheaper. It only has five years warranty apparently and the installer said there's a subscription cost after the first year, have you found this?
No, it is 10 year warranty you just have to register it - we usually do this for our customers! Definitly no subscription cost, I have Fox myself not sure where they are getting that from?
@@alpselectricalmaybe they want them to buy a powerwall with markup?
Pretty sure I’d get a system I could install outside! My only concern is the idea that the tariffs we have today will still be similar in 5 years, I can see many more dynamic tariffs reflecting wind generation than legacy fixed tariffs in the future. Fox is not the company I’d expect to keep up with that.
Hi, thanks for your thoughts, if only we could all predict the future?! Truth is, nobody has any idea what the future will look like in terms of tariffs and energy cost. All we can go on is what we know and the last few years has saw a sharp rise in energy costs crippling many home owners and businesses. If that were to continue or spike again, then it could get quite scary. Regardless of the tariffs solar keeps working whilst the sun is out and so without being able to predict the future we know that investing in solar now gives you back some control for what may be. My experience of Fox is that they are just as up to speed as any of the other brands. Infact they are much better to work with and deal with than GivEnergy. The Fox system can do all the same things that one can yet it has far more options in terms of inverter sizes and battery capacity/design options. Fox has more sizing options than any other brand on the market which helps making sure a solar system is accurately specced. Fox all the way for me!