The democrats are going non stop to destroy the work of men like this that have made America great and set us apart from all other countries. For the greater good of course!
Thanks for the wonderful video, and a huge thanks for not ruining it with crappy background music. I don't know why some people are compelled to add annoying background music throughout their videos.
Wife’s grandpa talked about “Carbine” to me years ago, he would see him at family reunions ( his great uncle) … my mother in law bought me a copy of the book “Carbine Williams” , he was a mechanical genius
I watcched about 9-10 minutes of the vid without No Detailed information on Who this gentleman was. Maybe your intro of this documentary vid should be rethought for people who have no clue who he was. Just saying.
My dad was a section foreman for the Seaboard Coastline Railroad which later eventually came to the name CSX which runs thru Godwin NC. One of his railroad men Ronnie Tew lived in Godwin and still does today. Ronnie would tell my dad about his Granddad and Carbine Williams who were friends and how Carbine helped win the war by inventing the repeating weapon. The next time I'm in Godwin I think I'll get Ronnie to show me where Carbine lived and tell me some of his stories about him.
At 32:10 they mention and are somewhat puzzled that the Remington model 8 has a “small” “sling swivel” on its forend. In actuality that wasn’t a sling swivel. It was the screw that was used to remove the forend and subsequently remove the barrel since the model 8 was a takedown rifle. Williams can be seen in the old footage removing and reattaching the barrel. The small forend screw had a loop which resembled a sling swivel but smaller that could be used to turn the screw by hand.
When my wife saw that brush, she looked at me and said, "That is you." I use a good paintbrush 75mm Congo Hamilton pure bristle that is about 40 years old. I showed my son, and he started using one as well.
Wow! Wow! Wow! What a great documentary about a great man! 👍🏼 Subscribed, bell rang, commented, liked, upvoted (#2), shared .... may the algorithm gods smile favorably upon your channel!
I grew up near Ahoskie NC back in the early 70's. Served in the Army. At Fort Bragg. Wore that black beret. Never heard of this gent. Thank you for enlightening me!
I wonder what the draftsman and machinist at Winchester got for their monumental achievement of actually making the first carbine prototype work in time for the Army test trials. Williams was a genius and brilliant craftsman, but like Eugene Stoner and the AR15, he did not design and build the rifle he is most identified with. His primary contribution was his short stroke gas system, but then he left the project. Without his gas system Winchester would not have been able to meet the stringent Army test requirements, but that was only one part of this rifle. Heaping all the praise on him creates an unintentional disservice to others who arguably made even greater contributions to the M1 program.
Very talented? Absolutely! A “genius”? No. He gets way too much credit for the M1 Carbine only because he came up with the tappet piston. But he was kicked off the project because he dragged his feet and was extremely difficult to deal with! Had he been kept on the team we would actually NEVER have gotten the M1A Carbine and only had another one off prototype to be shown and asked “what if?”! He also wasn’t unique to the use of wood “models” for concepts. John M. Browning among MANY others would do the same thing!
Let us not forget he didn't think it couldn't be accomplished for the military trial date. He wanted nothing to do with the development of the gun. Not even his name associated with it. Two Winchester employees are the true heroes of finishing the M1 carbine for production
Right! He gets too much credit! Had they not kicked him off the team for dragging his feet and being hard to work with, we would NOT have the M1 Carbine and only another one off prototype! Forgotten Weapons did an excellent video in this!
The finishing of the firearm wasn't the thing that made the M1 special the free floating chamber and the use of part of the gas making floating chamber a short-stroke gas piston. He received multiple patents. Given his first "protypes" he made out of wood so he could then move on to metal after fashioning many of the tools he need he he was after all serving 30 years for 2nd degree murder.
If you would like to see his gun shop, it is on permanent display at the North Carolina State Museum of Archives. It was photographed, disassembled and transported to the museum and reassembled indoors. It includes very small lathes that I suspect were used for firing pins. He had a history of making tools to make tools.
@@coldcase5844 Well I am pretty sure you are trolling for attention and I normally do not fall for that. But, in this case I will reply. If you have read anything about that situation, you will understand that one strong point in his character was that he was stubborn, independent and strong willed. In that area, in those days moonshining was a flourishing activity and he got heavily involved. Yes, a police officer was killed during a raid on one of his stills. No, it was not proven that he fired the shot that killed the officer. He did not think he would be convicted when charges were brought, and the first trial was a mistrial. In those days, there were not the tools that would be used these days to match ballistics and so on, he was brought to trial as the leader of the group, and allegedly the best shot, but it was a general gun battle and confused so it could likely have never been proven who actually fired the fatal shot. All that aside, he took a plea deal to avoid a second trial, and thought the sentence would be light, but he was sentenced to life. Given that, his stubborn streak was still driving him, and he did not make a model prisoner. He got into trouble and ended up on the chain gang. These were the most punitive portion of the prison system and stayed in crude camps and did hard labor during the day. They were subjected to harsh physical punishment for causing problems. He was on one occasion put in the hot box. A small cramped enclosure and stayed there for weeks because he would not agree to calm down. He felt that he had done nothing to warrant the punishment and refused to comply. That is where he thought of the ideas for the floating chamber and short stroke piston actions that enabled his future designs that lead to smaller, lighter weapons like the M1 Carbine and adapter kits to convert larger caliber weapons to fire the smaller, cheaper .22 load for training. Saving money on the training ammo and saving the more valuable ammo for the war. So, it IS possible that he did kill an officer, and I agree he deserved to serve his sentence for that, but his work lead to advances that helped overcome big evil caused by the Axis powers in WWII. Does this balance the scales of Justice? I don't know, certainly not for the family of the slain officer, but give credit where it is due. He was a genius with machines and the stubbornness that put him in trouble to begin with paid off when he built the weapon using crude tools and crude supplies to develop the prototype weapon that is on display.
I became a regular 'Telephone Buddy' of Ross Beard, Jr., Williams's biographer. Also, I had a good few hilarious conversations with Williams's younger brother, Gordon, who was, at the time 93 years old! Interesting conversations that included some information that cast a completely different light on events of that day of the moonshine raid... and of the days that followed. I will keep that stuff to myself. I had the pleasure of speaking to Carbine's son David Jr. Over the months, I also spoke to Ross and we exchanged mail, (both ways) which included rare literature. On Williams's inventions, I am the proud owner of a Winchester Model 50 and two #59s. The latter with the 'glass' barrel is used regularly by our son who trains newcomers to clay shooting at our local club. Also, I obtained a DVD of the above video directly from Martin and we exchanged a few phone calls and emails.
Can anyone remember a man who made a machine gun that shot 22's. He was trying to sell it for police dept's / fbi whoever ! He was at greensboro gunshow one time w/the gun on display / cut in half ! It shot so fast/ shooting stinger 22's ,belt fed ! He was selling videos of his gun ...The gun was deemed inhumane.! They showed him shooting a side of Beef ,and it was incredible rate of fire and devastating to flesh! Can anyone remember mans name for me
The T-model Ford came with a steering column already drilled to size for .22, hence no need for a drill. Mr. Williams was no doubt aware of this somehow. My dad and his brother used to light off .22 shells by placing them in a model T steering column and hit them with a hammer.
The British Morris Minor has a similar design in it’s steering column in that it can chamber a 12G shotgun cartridge. This was widely utilised during the Civil War in Sri Lanka.
Thank You Gentlemen for your Film on this Legend. I until didnt know much but have enjoyed shooting a Few of his designs ,after watching your Film I feel as though I know much more of how importantrtant simple Men made such a difference in the World.Good ol American Ingenuity!
I still live about 20 miles from Godwin NC and grew up in the 60's and 70's. Very few people knew of this man contributions at the time, even though there was a Hollywood movie about the man. Schools didn't teach him in history classes. I'd say that was the beginning of gun control over the young growing up then however, we still had gun racks and guns in them during hunting season. Leave school go dove hunting till dark.
Very interesting thank you for posting.
I just learned about the man through a coworker who had his shot gun worked on by Mr Williams, I'm in Cumberland county
The democrats are going non stop to destroy the work of men like this that have made America great and set us apart from all other countries. For the greater good of course!
Wow I live 4 miles from Ft. Bragg and never knew any of this. I definitely will be going to the Museum in Raleigh
See.... Car-bine, not Car-been
Very impressive documentary.
No one talks about this man because he was a successful criminal
Thanks for the wonderful video, and a huge thanks for not ruining it with crappy background music. I don't know why some people are compelled to add annoying background music throughout their videos.
Tell St Peter at the Golden Gate, I just hate to make him wait, but I just gotta have another cigarette!
Wife’s grandpa talked about “Carbine” to me years ago, he would see him at family reunions ( his great uncle) … my mother in law bought me a copy of the book “Carbine Williams” , he was a mechanical genius
I watcched about 9-10 minutes of the vid without No Detailed information on Who this gentleman was. Maybe your intro of this documentary vid should be rethought for people who have no clue who he was. Just saying.
My dad was a section foreman for the Seaboard Coastline Railroad which later eventually came to the name CSX which runs thru Godwin NC. One of his railroad men Ronnie Tew lived in Godwin and still does today. Ronnie would tell my dad about his Granddad and Carbine Williams who were friends and how Carbine helped win the war by inventing the repeating weapon. The next time I'm in Godwin I think I'll get Ronnie to show me where Carbine lived and tell me some of his stories about him.
Very interesting documentary. What a legend!
Nice, my dad talked a lot about the M1.
At 32:10 they mention and are somewhat puzzled that the Remington model 8 has a “small” “sling swivel” on its forend. In actuality that wasn’t a sling swivel. It was the screw that was used to remove the forend and subsequently remove the barrel since the model 8 was a takedown rifle. Williams can be seen in the old footage removing and reattaching the barrel. The small forend screw had a loop which resembled a sling swivel but smaller that could be used to turn the screw by hand.
Wonderful. Thanks for sharing this
When my wife saw that brush, she looked at me and said, "That is you." I use a good paintbrush 75mm Congo Hamilton pure bristle that is about 40 years old. I showed my son, and he started using one as well.
Wow! Wow! Wow! What a great documentary about a great man! 👍🏼 Subscribed, bell rang, commented, liked, upvoted (#2), shared .... may the algorithm gods smile favorably upon your channel!
I grew up near Ahoskie NC back in the early 70's. Served in the Army. At Fort Bragg. Wore that black beret. Never heard of this gent. Thank you for enlightening me!
It’s probably been mentioned already. I remember the movie with Jimmy Stewart . Carbine Williams old black & white i think from the 50’s .
It’s really too bad they didn’t use a noise gate. That static is too much for me. I’m sure it’s a great story.
best episode of antiques roadshow ever filmed
I wonder what the draftsman and machinist at Winchester got for their monumental achievement of actually making the first carbine prototype work in time for the Army test trials. Williams was a genius and brilliant craftsman, but like Eugene Stoner and the AR15, he did not design and build the rifle he is most identified with. His primary contribution was his short stroke gas system, but then he left the project. Without his gas system Winchester would not have been able to meet the stringent Army test requirements, but that was only one part of this rifle. Heaping all the praise on him creates an unintentional disservice to others who arguably made even greater contributions to the M1 program.
I always thought John Browning invented the m1 carbine
Browning died about 15 years before the m1 carbine was invented.
ASTA SE ESPANTA EL NEGRO QUE CLASE DE ARMA ES ESA.
Forgotten Weapons needs to do an episode on this machine gun, including some range time. Ian, are you listening brother?
Very talented? Absolutely! A “genius”? No. He gets way too much credit for the M1 Carbine only because he came up with the tappet piston. But he was kicked off the project because he dragged his feet and was extremely difficult to deal with! Had he been kept on the team we would actually NEVER have gotten the M1A Carbine and only had another one off prototype to be shown and asked “what if?”! He also wasn’t unique to the use of wood “models” for concepts. John M. Browning among MANY others would do the same thing!
See, there was a time when Americans knew it was a carbine, not a car-been
CW = 33 = Proof of all CLAIMS Required. M1 Carbine = MC = 33 as W3LL
just watch the movie with Jimmy Stewart
Very interesting I'd heard his story but never before seen any of his work. Cool
For all of you who wanna learn the art of chain smoking, see and learn :)
I saw Jimmy Stewart’s movie.
Let us not forget he didn't think it couldn't be accomplished for the military trial date. He wanted nothing to do with the development of the gun. Not even his name associated with it. Two Winchester employees are the true heroes of finishing the M1 carbine for production
Right! He gets too much credit! Had they not kicked him off the team for dragging his feet and being hard to work with, we would NOT have the M1 Carbine and only another one off prototype! Forgotten Weapons did an excellent video in this!
The finishing of the firearm wasn't the thing that made the M1 special the free floating chamber and the use of part of the gas making floating chamber a short-stroke gas piston. He received multiple patents. Given his first "protypes" he made out of wood so he could then move on to metal after fashioning many of the tools he need he he was after all serving 30 years for 2nd degree murder.
There is a movie about Williams starring Jimmy Stewart. Better than this video,
Never hear of him but thanks for posting the Vid. Very smart man!
If you would like to see his gun shop, it is on permanent display at the North Carolina State Museum of Archives. It was photographed, disassembled and transported to the museum and reassembled indoors. It includes very small lathes that I suspect were used for firing pins. He had a history of making tools to make tools.
Does it include the gun he used to murder that police officer with?
@@coldcase5844 Well I am pretty sure you are trolling for attention and I normally do not fall for that. But, in this case I will reply. If you have read anything about that situation, you will understand that one strong point in his character was that he was stubborn, independent and strong willed. In that area, in those days moonshining was a flourishing activity and he got heavily involved. Yes, a police officer was killed during a raid on one of his stills. No, it was not proven that he fired the shot that killed the officer. He did not think he would be convicted when charges were brought, and the first trial was a mistrial. In those days, there were not the tools that would be used these days to match ballistics and so on, he was brought to trial as the leader of the group, and allegedly the best shot, but it was a general gun battle and confused so it could likely have never been proven who actually fired the fatal shot. All that aside, he took a plea deal to avoid a second trial, and thought the sentence would be light, but he was sentenced to life. Given that, his stubborn streak was still driving him, and he did not make a model prisoner. He got into trouble and ended up on the chain gang. These were the most punitive portion of the prison system and stayed in crude camps and did hard labor during the day. They were subjected to harsh physical punishment for causing problems. He was on one occasion put in the hot box. A small cramped enclosure and stayed there for weeks because he would not agree to calm down. He felt that he had done nothing to warrant the punishment and refused to comply. That is where he thought of the ideas for the floating chamber and short stroke piston actions that enabled his future designs that lead to smaller, lighter weapons like the M1 Carbine and adapter kits to convert larger caliber weapons to fire the smaller, cheaper .22 load for training. Saving money on the training ammo and saving the more valuable ammo for the war. So, it IS possible that he did kill an officer, and I agree he deserved to serve his sentence for that, but his work lead to advances that helped overcome big evil caused by the Axis powers in WWII. Does this balance the scales of Justice? I don't know, certainly not for the family of the slain officer, but give credit where it is due. He was a genius with machines and the stubbornness that put him in trouble to begin with paid off when he built the weapon using crude tools and crude supplies to develop the prototype weapon that is on display.
I became a regular 'Telephone Buddy' of Ross Beard, Jr., Williams's biographer. Also, I had a good few hilarious conversations with Williams's younger brother, Gordon, who was, at the time 93 years old! Interesting conversations that included some information that cast a completely different light on events of that day of the moonshine raid... and of the days that followed. I will keep that stuff to myself. I had the pleasure of speaking to Carbine's son David Jr. Over the months, I also spoke to Ross and we exchanged mail, (both ways) which included rare literature. On Williams's inventions, I am the proud owner of a Winchester Model 50 and two #59s. The latter with the 'glass' barrel is used regularly by our son who trains newcomers to clay shooting at our local club. Also, I obtained a DVD of the above video directly from Martin and we exchanged a few phone calls and emails.
Yes that was a great book he did on Carbine
In the movie, it showed Williams filing a slot into the top of the butt stock, for each year that he had worked on the rifle.
that was great thanks guys
we've done so much with so little, we can do anything with absolutely nothing.
Can anyone remember a man who made a machine gun that shot 22's. He was trying to sell it for police dept's / fbi whoever ! He was at greensboro gunshow one time w/the gun on display / cut in half ! It shot so fast/ shooting stinger 22's ,belt fed ! He was selling videos of his gun ...The gun was deemed inhumane.! They showed him shooting a side of Beef ,and it was incredible rate of fire and devastating to flesh! Can anyone remember mans name for me
Tippman? There was also the American 180 which I geard was used un some prison systems
My friends grandpa was in prison with him, and they become friends.
The was GREAT!
Winchester WAR. VERY rare rifles
..Hail Yeah..
The T-model Ford came with a steering column already drilled to size for .22, hence no need for a drill. Mr. Williams was no doubt aware of this somehow. My dad and his brother used to light off .22 shells by placing them in a model T steering column and hit them with a hammer.
The British Morris Minor has a similar design in it’s steering column in that it can chamber a 12G shotgun cartridge. This was widely utilised during the Civil War in Sri Lanka.
Thank You Gentlemen for your Film on this Legend. I until didnt know much but have enjoyed shooting a Few of his designs ,after watching your Film I feel as though I know much more of how importantrtant simple Men made such a difference in the World.Good ol American Ingenuity!
“Redneck Moses Browning”
I still live about 20 miles from Godwin NC and grew up in the 60's and 70's. Very few people knew of this man contributions at the time, even though there was a Hollywood movie about the man. Schools didn't teach him in history classes. I'd say that was the beginning of gun control over the young growing up then however, we still had gun racks and guns in them during hunting season. Leave school go dove hunting till dark.